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careohx
263 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:15 jinorazi wrote: because the things you say to be considered seriously is an insult itself to other readers. Maybe only to you hypersensitive Koreans. User was warned for this post | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote: he never was banned from Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. Well Choya was banned from GSL for a season for doing rocks paper scissors on ladder. | ||
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oBlade
United States5585 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:08 Veldril wrote: I think the keyword is "2011". The next GSL would be in 2012 so Providence's result might not apply there. Also because there's no more code S for 2011, they decide to award Naniwa with Blizz cup invite instead. It's true that the key word is 2011, but it modifies "[MLG] Pro Circuit Live Competition" and Providence was assuredly in 2011. So it seems to mean Code S status regardless of when the Code S tournament happens to take place. | ||
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ssi.bal-listic
United States568 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote: he never was banned by Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. because his team banned him before GSL did. GSL would've banned him regardless. rain got banned 2 seasons for simply not showing up to the group drawings. | ||
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LorDo
Sweden485 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:09 xbankx wrote: He was not invited. He never won MLG providence. Read the dam Exchange program. Only the First place gets in code S. Top 3 foreigners gets placed in Code A. Naniwa was placed in code S due to the "new system" Gom set up: the 2 seed invite system. however due to his poor conduct, it was taken away. Naniwa never officially earned Code S. "At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 MLG Providence 2011. YEAH 2011. GOMTV is so full of shit. This is a disgrace tbh, and it sure as hell will hurt E-sports. Having games that don't matter is rubbish. They should apologize for that, possibly tell Naniwa that they disagree with the 6 probe rush and then be done with it. What they should not do is make up rules on the fly and lie about the partnership to be able to toss him out. I'm actually a bit sad Naniwa apologized in such a fashion, he should have put the hurt on instead. (Ofcourse apologizing to his fans for throwing a game everyone was waiting for). But GOMTV, he should not apologize to. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:14 Starcraftmazter wrote: It was so obvious it was impossible to ignore it. I am talking about all those games in all those seasons (not to mention the GSTL) where nothing was formally said in the game to indicate it was thrown, but objectively it can be said that they were in fact thrown. Stating stuff like that without examples makes your argument invalid. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:15 daedelus wrote: GOMtv's punishment for these players does not fit the crime. Punish them, but don't ban them completely that's far too harsh. Remember Coca? Is his entire career ruined now? He's banned "indefinitely." Why not just a season? Doesn't that make more sense? Wasn't Coca's ban by his team? | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:14 pPingu wrote: Money was involved, it was a tournament, and we have no idea what gom would have done, slayers did it So... in other words... HE WAS PUNISHED. | ||
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JuTo
United States30 Posts
in any case i think the punishment was far too severe. maybe, like jinro suggested, just fine him or something next time. | ||
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LimitedSc2
United States33 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:41 Hydrox911 wrote: Im sorry, but I do like the stance gomtv has taken to this and am very disappointed. The thing you have to understand is that you have taken away Naniwa's code s spot. He was going to be in code s --> incidenent happens ----> No seed. For me at least, its gomtv who looks the worst out this occasion. You have to clearer what the rules are and , as has been discussed in other threads, not have these vague rules which gomtv seems to have used against naniwa. Be clear with your rules. Very disappointed and In my opinion, there is a large part of blame for having pointless games in the first place. You seem to purely have reacted according to Korean netizen reactions and not having clear rules, just making them up as you feel fitting. Sorry Gom, but this is my opinion and don't feel like supporting gomtv right now. Thanks I don't understand why anyone would be against this. It is almost like an employer granting an applicant a job offer, but then the employer later found out that this applicant is not fit for the job or is simply not "professional," and then consequentially refused to honor that job offer to the applicant. In the professional business world, this is completely acceptable and practical, or at least in American standards. People need to realize that shit like this should not be taken for granted. It is not Naniwa's prerogative to compete in Code S. Instead it was simply a privilege for him contingent upon doing well in MLG Providence. No more, no less. Simple as that, but people always tend to exaggerate the situation. I think GOMTV did the right decision, and hopefully naniwa won't be so blunt in the future. | ||
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
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Truthful
United States38 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:34 Eppa! wrote: KESPA would not punish someone for not breaking a rule. KESPA was hard on players but not close to as subjective as GomTV. Its like Singapore vs Pakistan. actually KeSPA would have banned nani for good. no need for statements afterwards. professional etiquette which includes implicit rules of sportsmanship and competition are a fucking given. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dick move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. To give the first ever foreigner to qualify for Code S through MLG a seed in a crappy invitational tournament instead is just an insult to the foreigner scene. I mean we've already withstood 5 Korean ROFLstomps as a result of the League Exchange Programme and it's a bit crap when GOMTV argue that the first foreigner wasn't actually eligible for the seed instead. That's right, MMA, MC, DongRaeGu and CoCa were given Code S seeds whereas NaNiwa wasn't supposed to be eligible for it anyway? I get that you want a smooth transition to your 2012 system but COME ON!!!! Actually give the guy who legitimately earned it in the 2011 MLG season his fucking seed? And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote: he never was banned from Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. Gomtv was planning on it but they decided to go with what the teams decided for themselves. Are you really implying that gomtv would not have punished coca/byun? | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism. | ||
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
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manloveman
424 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:14 diophan wrote: Well GOM doesn't run MLG so I'm not sure what you expect them to do about that... I dont want them to do anything. But saying throwing useless matches has not been going on is ignorant. Naniwa is just the first player, where it has gotten so much attention. It should be punished, even if I think its a bit harsh. Gom should also themselves admit their fault in the whole debacle, and people should not be so quick to single him out. I feel they've made an example rather done somthing fitting. | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote: If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dickheaded move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. btw naniwa didn't place first place you know | ||
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