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On December 15 2011 09:17 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:08 labbe wrote:On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad. Wrong, we are here because GOMTV is not being honest with us. And they are to stubborn to admit that they messed up. Naniwa acted childishly, apologized and payed for it - a way higher prize than he deserved i might add. GOMTV still has not admitted to doing anything wrong here, and they just keep lying to us. THAT'S what people are upset about. Interestingly i can't find a single lie in GomTV's statement. There are quite a few opinions in it, which might not be true, but considering they are an opinion that is to be expected. Regarding the code S spot there is quite some confusion, but the only persons who could know they are lying are completly silent. There is no statement from MLG, there is no statement from Naniwa or Quantic about arrangements for Code S. Many of you think they might be lying and are willing and able to throw around the pitchforks but so far there hasn't been a single shred of evidence that they are. It was absolutly clear that Gom would be changing their system from January onwards, no one can deny that. The Graphic of the setup has been linked and seen quite often, and to the best of my knowledge it hasn't changed a bit since November when they posted it initially (or was that back in oktober?). I assumed Naniwa would get one of those 2 code S seeds, just like many other people did (including MLG it seems) but until Gom sends out some kind of email to the player to make arrangements, or announces the names publicly nothing is fixed. As MrChae said they were considering Naniwa but his behaviour made them change their mind. You can disagree with that decision (loudly if you want to) but there is no reason to call them liars or other swear words.
Please inform yourself before posting yet another rehash of the same argument.
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If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.
Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B.
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On December 15 2011 09:17 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO. He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it.
OGSFin did.
The funny thing is everyone's so angry about what would have likely been Naniwa getting beaten out of Code S in the first round anyway. Isn't he 0-10 in televised GSL matches now?
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On December 15 2011 09:10 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:09 Kenny_oro wrote:On December 15 2011 09:01 Vorenius wrote:This is simply drawn out of nothing. No where is it even hinted that MLG Providence isn't part of the MLG circuit :s You can even go to their website, click on pro circuit, and find the VODs from Providence. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gNgL9.png) Personally I saw this whole thing as resolved before GOM made this post. Naniwa was disrespectful and GOM decided to punish him. All parties included accepted that and wanted to move on. But then GOM comes out with a bullshit statement like this full of lies. That's simply disgusting. If they wanna punish someone they gotta own it themselfs. Not make it out to be what they had planned all along. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/25#2011_mlg_pro_circuit_official_rulesQuote: 2. Entry for Pro Circuit Competitions There will be five (5)regular season Pro Circuit Competitions and one National Championship Pro Circuit Competition in the 2011 MLG Pro Circuit. 1. Dallas 2. Columbus 3. Anaheim 4. Raleigh 5. Orlando So if you take this realy serious - We had no korean players invited to Providence AND if you read the official rules made by MLG ist also says that there are just 5 Pro Circuit Competitions. Really sad but true .. I think there have been made huge faults - on all sides: - MLG stating the wrong announcement of Code S reward for NaNi (nothing said so far) - GOM not correcting them (don't see anything about this too) - NaNis behaviour in the game (which he already excused for ..) Dude! Talk about only reading what you want to read, just after the bolded part it says: National Championship Pro Circuit Competition
Damn, I was also misguided.
So, we are back to the fact that MLG Providence actually IS a Pro Circuit Competition. It's just singled out because it's the final, not because it's not a Pro Circuit live event 
Answers please, GOM and MLG!
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I'm still disappointed at GOMtv. They shouldn't have blown this at this time. It's like adding fuel in to fire. Very cheap move by them for removing code S spot from Nani
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GOM you did the right thing. No need to worry.
You have the moral high ground
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On December 15 2011 09:17 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:08 labbe wrote:On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad. Wrong, we are here because GOMTV is not being honest with us. And they are to stubborn to admit that they messed up. Naniwa acted childishly, apologized and payed for it - a way higher prize than he deserved i might add. GOMTV still has not admitted to doing anything wrong here, and they just keep lying to us. THAT'S what people are upset about. Interestingly i can't find a single lie in GomTV's statement. There are quite a few opinions in it, which might not be true, but considering they are an opinion that is to be expected. Regarding the code S spot there is quite some confusion, but the only persons who could know they are lying are completly silent. There is no statement from MLG, there is no statement from Naniwa or Quantic about arrangements for Code S. Many of you think they might be lying and are willing and able to throw around the pitchforks but so far there hasn't been a single shred of evidence that they are. It was absolutly clear that Gom would be changing their system from January onwards, no one can deny that. The Graphic of the setup has been linked and seen quite often, and to the best of my knowledge it hasn't changed a bit since November when they posted it initially (or was that back in oktober?). I assumed Naniwa would get one of those 2 code S seeds, just like many other people did (including MLG it seems) but until Gom sends out some kind of email to the player to make arrangements, or announces the names publicly nothing is fixed. As MrChae said they were considering Naniwa but his behaviour made them change their mind. You can disagree with that decision (loudly if you want to) but there is no reason to call them liars or other swear words.
I agree with this man 100%
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On December 15 2011 09:17 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN. From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events. If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available. Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceAnd, don't you find it strange that GOM doesn't bother to correct the belief of naniwa, his team, MLG, and the whole western community, that naniwa has a birth for code S, until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match? Naniwa even spoke about his code S spot on the media day for the blizzard cup.
Its not GOMs job to fact check other companies press releases. Like i said in my previous post, this just seems to be a communication problem people are trying to dress up as a conspiracy.
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On December 15 2011 09:15 battyone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:10 freeloader625 wrote:
GSL did nothing wrong. I respect their decision. I have to respectfully disagree. Everyone was under the impression that Naniwa secured his Code S spot at Providence. There was both explicit (see the rest of this thread for old news quotes, posts, etc) and implicit (every other top non Korean in the MLG circuit since the exchange began got a Code S spot) reasons for everyone to believe this. To revoke that is one thing, but do not say that it was never there in the first place. There is a huge difference between "We are punishing Naniwa for his poor sportsmanship by revoking his Code S seed" and "Naniwa never had a Code S seed anyway, but now he is 100% out of contention." It just seems a bit odd that this was all announced after the fact, and I mean long after the fact. While Naniwa was disrespectful to the scene in general, actions that occur that are not "by the books" will only lead to less credibility for our rules and structures.
You are probably 100% right, I haven't read into all of the stuff, because there's a lot that has been said and written down, however with the official apologizes between both parties I think that this rendition of how GOM looks at the whole debacle it's the best one where both parties save their face. Everyone has been a victim of what's happened and we it doesn't add anything to keep dragging this on. There needs to be more communication between teammanagers, tournament organizors and people in the industry to come to some mutual grounds on some professional guidelines for players, tournaments, etc. Else these kind of controversies, which are basically because of cultural differences, will happen all the time. A little while ago a cursing LiquidJinro lead to some drama, so that's my take on the whole situation. It's in the best interest of the whole scene to have some mutual grounds we all agree on, going beyond cultural differences.
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On December 15 2011 09:21 tranmillitary wrote:
If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.
Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B.
It doesn't matter what your opinion is. MLG promised a Code S spot, therefore there should be one.
And Naniwa is actually good. He had very close games with all top Korean players.
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On December 15 2011 09:21 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:17 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO. He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it. OGSFin did. The funny thing is everyone's so angry about what would have likely been Naniwa getting beaten out of Code S in the first round anyway. Isn't he 0-10 in televised GSL matches now?
What the hell are you talking about? oGsFin made through the qualifiers in Code B and then Code A legitimately.
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On December 15 2011 09:21 tranmillitary wrote:
If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.
Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B.
How is ANY of that relevant to GOM robbing him of his code s spot?
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Perfectly just decision, and well deserved punishment for Naniwa. Westerners really need to start taking this game as an actual sport rather than a WWE-type of entertainment if they really want to catch up tot he Koreans.
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Perhaps there should be a system where you have a judge who makes calls on controversial games.. maybe even a role for casters. Just a thought.
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why wasn't this statement presented like 15 hours ago, as a first and last statement? instead of shitting on naniwa in korean on stream live?
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What a great response. You would not see this in proffesional sports and if some team came in a game and just waived the white flag the team owners would seriously consider removing even SUPERSTARS from their team, if they lack the drive to put on a show for their fans.
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Nani on Live on Three in a few secs/mins for those interested where they'll discuss the situation...just saying.
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Interesting that GOM still take no responsibility for the format which forces meaningless games to be produced. Expect more meaningless matches in the future, where people will just disguise the probe rush with a proxy 2 gate or 4 gate.
Also interesting that he broke no rules and loses code S. Disrespect is open for wide interpretation. Where do you draw the line? Manner mules, manner nexus, almost every ceremony after a win, etc. Oh well, at least now we know if you worker rush you'll be crucified so that's one banned "strat" in GSL.
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Well done Mr Chae. This, Teamliquid netizens, is how you write a professional statement.
To all the blind fanboys / haters, time to watch some GSL and enjoy the highest level of competition. :D
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On December 15 2011 09:23 Fubi wrote:
Perfectly just decision, and well deserved punishment for Naniwa. Westerners really need to start taking this game as an actual sport rather than a WWE-type of entertainment if they really want to catch up tot he Koreans.
Oh you mean like one of the most dedicated players Naniwa? You know, the guy who hates to loose and play bad games, the guy who got SECOND at providence? :/
People need to stop just blindly agreeing to anything that says that naniwa was wrong just because you dislike the guy.
On December 15 2011 09:25 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well done Mr Chae. This, Teamliquid netizens, is how you write a professional statement.
To all the blind fanboys / haters, time to watch some GSL and enjoy the highest level of competition. :D
Without one of the worlds best protosses.
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