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On December 15 2011 10:31 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:30 Hopelessnoob wrote:On December 15 2011 10:29 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 10:21 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement. because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given? Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceThere is no reason why it should be excluded. Weren't all 4 of those players already seeded into Providence because of their performance in previous MLGs? I feel like MLG isn't being completely honest about this either... it is not that they were seeded. It is that they are paid to go there I was under the impression that MLG pays all of their seeded players to attend. In fact I'm almost sure someone before Providence mentioned this. Further since MVP was not put in the championship pool, I recall in the Quintic Gaming and IM partnership thread that one of QI's contributions was they were paying for MVP and Nestea to attend Providence. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:31 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 10:29 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 10:21 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement. because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given? Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceThere is no reason why it should be excluded. Weren't all 4 of those players already seeded into Providence because of their performance in previous MLGs? I feel like MLG isn't being completely honest about this either... If you click on the link you'll find the following: As the last Korean player standing in Orlando, MC has earned a League Exchange Invitation to Providence. Our four highest Korean finishers this year (three of whom were MLG Champions) will have their trips to the National Championships covered. Their bracket seeds will be based on the points they've earned in competitions this Season. Congratulations to MMA, MVP, Bomber, and MC on their accomplishments and we will see each of them in Providence fighting it out for the $50,000 first prize. Clearly stating they are a part of the exchange program, the same that SHOULD grant naniwa a Code S spot. Well at this point it's GOM's word against MLG's so I'm not taking what MLG says as gospel either.
True the way you state it, it is GOM's word against MLG's.
The suspect part is that MLG has been saying for 4 weeks that Naniwa had earned a Code S spot through their tournament. So has every other relevant media and everyone was sure he had one. Then after the blizzcup suddenly GOM is trying to make us belief there never was an invite for Naniwa? I'm sorry, but if Penn Jillette was here right now I know what he'd say...
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On December 15 2011 10:37 Heaton31 wrote:
People are cancelling their GOM accounts because of this? They do realize Naniwa is still going to compete in their tournament, right?
They might, people just seem to be raging to be raging. This is why I dislike drama with a passion.
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On December 15 2011 10:38 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:34 GodZo wrote:Very bad announcement by GOM TV. GOM: We wish NaNiWa all the best for his future endeavors as a progamer. FU? I am pretty sure they simply wished Naniwa the best in the future, and said they held no grudge. So no, not an FU.
They also called his performance and attitude not progamer like in he same article, it's kinda odd.
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On December 15 2011 10:37 ScareCrow` wrote:Quoted from hereFolks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
LeeGive it time.
that was eight hours ago though.... =(
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I dont understand why was Idra informed 1 week ago about his Code S spot and not Naniwa if he was on top of the list before this happened.
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:/ I'm really disappointed that Naniwa lost his Code S spot, I looked forward to seeing him in GSL.
Also,
Hopefully there can be some more objective way to determine foreigner placing into the gom tournaments..the whole situation of who gets a seed into code s from the foreigners feels really wishywashy atm..
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On December 15 2011 10:39 Learion wrote:
I dont understand why was Idra informed 1 week ago about his Code S spot and not Naniwa if he was on top of the list before this happened.
They're unrelated.
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On December 15 2011 10:39 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:37 Heaton31 wrote:
People are cancelling their GOM accounts because of this? They do realize Naniwa is still going to compete in their tournament, right? They don't, people just seem to be raging to be raging. This is why I dislike drama with a passion.
Most of the drama being generated is the fake outrage of Naniwa dropping a meaningless game. The koreans and Naniwa haters went into an uproar, chanting to have his head removed aka banned from GSL and hes the single worst person in the world. It's convenient to twist it around when the situation ultimately concluded in their favor.
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On December 15 2011 10:39 Learion wrote:
I dont understand why was Idra informed 1 week ago about his Code S spot and not Naniwa if he was on top of the list before this happened.
That's also a really good point. Scoots said on Lo3 that they knew that Idra would get his spot a week ago since someone dropped out, yet Naniwa and his management didn't get informed of this let alone informed about him not actually having the spot yet? :/
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On December 15 2011 10:39 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:38 Trsjnica wrote:On December 15 2011 10:34 GodZo wrote:Very bad announcement by GOM TV. GOM: We wish NaNiWa all the best for his future endeavors as a progamer. FU? I am pretty sure they simply wished Naniwa the best in the future, and said they held no grudge. So no, not an FU. They also called his performance and attitude not progamer like in he same article, it's kinda odd.
I suspect there are cultural issues at play.
What Koreans think of (and require) from progamers may be different than those of us in Europe/North America believe is required. (Opinions may similarly vary, by culture, of whether a game is meanigful/important when it doesn't directly effect the tournament outcome, but was advertised to occur prior to the tournament.)
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On December 15 2011 10:41 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:39 Learion wrote:
I dont understand why was Idra informed 1 week ago about his Code S spot and not Naniwa if he was on top of the list before this happened. That's also a really good point. Scoots said on Lo3 that they knew that Idra would get his spot a week ago, yet Naniwa and his management didn't get informed of this let alone informed about him not actually having the spot yet? :/
Possibly the list was 1. Naniwa, 2. Idra, 3. Sen, and Sen gained from this rather than Idra.
Also possible GSL has closer ties to Slayers/EG, and are able to get them information faster, or Slayers/EG needed to know for some future tournament participation, or something.
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On December 15 2011 10:23 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:15 Mooneyes wrote:
On a side note i personally find no entertainment value in a match where nothing is on the line. i take it you dont watch the pro-players ladder on their streams? i really wanted to see the naniwa-nestea matchup because of their history. shame it never happened.
I do watch pro-players ladder from time to time mainly to deepen my understanding of the game, most of the time i dont find it exciting or entertaining in contrast to (most) tournament games were everything is on the line.
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I have 2 competing feelings on the situation.
1. The punishment against Naniwa is proportionate and fair.
2. The way that GOM arrived at the punishment is flawed. Their reasoning is confusing and is based on things that clearly does not match up with what the public thought. Everyone thought Naniwa had earned a Code S spot, yet GOM deny this.
So we need to ask ourselves, what is more important: That a player who has done wrong is punished appropriately, even if the rules don't cover it? OR that GOM, the premier competition in SC2, has a more transparant and objective system in place to punish players.
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On December 15 2011 10:37 ScareCrow` wrote:Quoted from hereFolks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
LeeGive it time.
sounds good, I hope they put gom to their agreement
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On December 15 2011 10:36 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:34 coverpunch wrote:
Good statement, good decision. Reasonable minds can disagree, of course, but GOM made their position and reasoning quite clear.
Although I wonder for Naniwa, how does he re-qualify for Code S? It's unfortunate that his best option is probably to go back to the US or EU and win tournaments again... The new Code A really isn't that bad. He should just play through a season and get to Code S. And if he can't get through Code A... should he really BE in Code S?
That's irrelevant to this discussion.
If you have a problem with invites in general go make your own thread about that.
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On December 15 2011 10:29 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:23 Parcelleus wrote:
GOMTV say nothing new.
To make an example out of Naniwa, when many players in the past in GSL could of been 'banned' is PATHETIC by GOMTV.
GOMTV need to re-instate Naniwa's EARNT Code S place to have an credibility. If it doesn't it shows it has no consistency and is making scapegoat out of NAnaiwa which is even pathetic in itself.
I expected better from GOMTV, and I will not be buying anything until they can make some consistent decisions and clear outlines regarding player s and 'tanking' matches.
As for Naniwa/QxG 's apology, what did you expect ? Of course they HAVE TO play the GOMTV 'game' if they want to PARTICIPATE.
However, in reality, Naniwa is incharge of Naniwa, and players like this should be allowed to express their individuality rather than trying to aspire to some individual-less robot-like followers who bore you to tears.
As for those who think THEY know what is BEST for esports, please, have some respect for other people's views and stop trying to force yours on others. Others will make up their own minds just fine.
i agree. but certain behaviors will get you reactions such as this. i think naniwa brought this upon himself following his own way. sometimes, it isn't the best way. suicide bombers and crazy shooters are only displaying their frustration and/or following what they believe, but sometimes it just isn't allowed and it should be avoided at all cost. imagine what will happen if idra BM's the korean casters or mr.chae or something sensitive during a live game. maybe he really wants to express what he thinks to the world in a direct way, but do so expecting a consequence.
It is the nature of a competition tournaments that there will be some games that 'don't matter'. It happens in all soprts, and players also 'tank' or dont play as 'seriously'. It has been happening in the GSL all year.
If GOMTV or anyone else thinks that the fans do not know the difference between 'serious; games and 'games that dont matter', then they are more naive than I suspected. PPl knew the NAniwa v. Nestea game was worth nothing, and that either player would not be playing their best.
So Naniwa, didnt play it seriously, like many GSL players in the past. However Naniwa is banned ?
Sorry GOMTV, you should fix this before you lose any more credibility.
As for the example of Idra BM korean casters/GOM?Mr Chae, Naniwa didnt BM any of that, he played a meaningless game below par, just like many players in the GSL have.
Absolutely shocked and disappointed by GOMTV on this.
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Great job GOM. It's time for the e-sports community to grow up and learn what the title "professional" actually means when attached to a name. Naniwa's performance was unacceptable and I don't think you go far enough. If the NFL worked the way Naniwa did then a large chunk of games wouldn't be played near the end of each season. Someday the e-sports community will grow up and really expect professionalism from our professional athletes.
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On December 15 2011 10:37 Heaton31 wrote:
People are cancelling their GOM accounts because of this? They do realize Naniwa is still going to compete in their tournament, right?
The best way to show a business you don't agree with what they're doing is talking with your wallet, these people didn't agree and they took the best course of action in showing their disagreement, what's so hard to understand about that?
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On December 15 2011 10:39 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:37 ScareCrow` wrote:Quoted from hereFolks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
LeeGive it time. that was eight hours ago though.... =(
in all fairness even if Lee was running around doing everything he could it is unlikely that he reached anyone at Gom for at least 5 of those 8 hours considering the timezones.
It is close to 10:45 KST, so even if their office was manned from 8:00 onwards thats 2 hours 45minutes where he could have talked to people.
Let's give him and Gom another few hours before we expect the official word from MLG.
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