EPTNaniwa can't be expected to play his best and provide epic games after just being knocked out, but he can atleast be expected to have the common decendy to make SOMETHING out of it. Legitimate action by GOM.
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
Naniwa can't be expected to play his best and provide epic games after just being knocked out, but he can atleast be expected to have the common decendy to make SOMETHING out of it. Legitimate action by GOM. | ||
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Avaek
New Zealand49 Posts
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
I thought it was ridiculous as an American living in California. We're the furthest thing from an "honor-bound" society, and Naniwa's behavior was absurd. There's plenty of rules in sports, but most important rulings are made per basis. This was just that. I stayed up late expecting the Naniwa v Nestea rematch. I didn't know the format, but had someone told me beforehand, I would've actually been happy, since I was anticipating the game, no matter when/why. I actually thought Naniwa and Nestea would both be x-0 and they'd be playing for the bragging rights of who got to walk away with a perfect rec as well as the highly anticipated rematch. The result of the Nestea v Naniwa match was incredibly disappointing. If there hadn't been a slew of good rematches after that, I'd have gone and complained. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:48 Azzur wrote: Tennis tournaments have wildcards and no one complains. Western sporting events have also meted out punishment for players that show poor behaviour. Imagine a tennis tournament where a player just flat out refuses to play - I don't think that will go down too well. Actually, I just feel sorry for Naniwa because if he just did some half-arsed attempt (e.g. proxy 2-gate, 4-gate or cannon rushed), this backlash wouldn't have happened. You can blame his poor social skills and a lack of understanding on how the world works for this. A tennis player will actually be fined if it seems they weren't trying (see davydenko http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/2324252/Nikolay-Davydenko-fined-for-not-trying.html). However, you can forfeit due to injury, which is what naniwa should have done. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
The amount of wildcard spots being given away is very minimal still and most of them are actually deserved in some way like doing well at MLG or whatever. Foreigners have much more problems competing in GSL then koreans because they have to move there so they HAVE to give a incentive to let the players go there. I think GOM is doing a fantastic job with their management and not bending the rules at all. Rules have to be a little vague because there are so many unpredictable situations that makes it impossible to have a rule for everything beforehand.. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:45 gregnog wrote: Just as a comparison... how often do you hear of MLG making a controversial decision? How many times has Sundance bashed on a player? How many players question MLG's rules? The only thing that comes to mind is when Catz was auto forfeited when he was 10 minutes late for his match. Maybe when they were thinking of having MLG jerseys.... open bracket is kind of grueling... It just seems silly. Obviously GOM has control issues. Let's see....White-ra being disqualified for being late to his match...Extended series format...Seeding for future tournaments (players who kept losing in group stages yet they still had enough points to make it to the group stages for the next tournament)...so yea, there were some controversies | ||
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eot
146 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10801 Posts
MLG is taking the 100% contrary approac to GOM. Players violating rules: They seem to basically don't rule at all and don't act at all, even when there are actual rules in place, except when you are late. See ingame chat-swearing, the whole seeding mess and other problems... .... That’s a very "save" way to handle things which won't hurt the tournament (and if something is so outrageous so it would hurt the tournament they could just use the rule), but also doesn't improve the players behavior and their professionalism... It's just way "easyer" to do it like that. I mean, the missing players from the placement matches in the end? Why is there no punishment for that? Because it's easier to not punish stuff like this. Seeindg/MLG-System problems: "wait for next season". Thats also an easy appraoch  .MLG mainly is/was interest into running their show, i wouldn't blame em for that but it's clearly also the "easy" way which won't change how things run and players behave. | ||
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Paladia
802 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote: If a Korean did it, he would be finished. You mean like when Coca fixed an extreme important game for code A seed and didn't even get a temp ban by GomTV? Naniwa is the only foreigner who has fairly qualified for Code S yet GomTV kicks him out just because they don't like him. Players needs some security and know that they can rely on what will happen to them, you can't have the organizers just kick people out based on popularity. Or get them in, as the Idra invite shows. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
This creates an opportunity for the league to apply double-standard as well. Mind you all who favours the Nani unseeding, Coca did not receive any bans for his premeditated match-fixing. On December 14 2011 20:21 Superouman wrote: If you throw away a game, you are banned. It's in the rules from the beginning of the GSL and naniwa is supposed to know the rules, there is no point to qq. Read the ruling please. He was punished by "abusive behaviour". | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:00 Paladia wrote: You mean like when Coca fixed an extreme important game for code A seed and didn't even get a temp ban by GomTV? Naniwa is the only foreigner who has fairly qualified for Code S yet GomTV kicks him out just because they don't like him. Players needs some security and know that they can rely on what will happen to them, you can't have the organizers just kick people out based on popularity. Or get them in, as the Idra invite shows. First that had no seeding arrangement according to Mr. Chae so it is outside of GOM's jurisdiction. Second Slayers already punished him and if they didn't, most likely Gom would have too considering how tough they were on Choya and Rain. Second, Naniwa had no seed. Providence did not have a seed. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
There probably wasn't any rule about forcing people to try to play the game, new flash, most players actually want to play. Maybe GOM should write down every single rule to not be a fucking spoiled brat then people will stfu. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:00 Paladia wrote: You mean like when Coca fixed an extreme important game for code A seed and didn't even get a temp ban by GomTV? Naniwa is the only foreigner who has fairly qualified for Code S yet GomTV kicks him out just because they don't like him. Players needs some security and know that they can rely on what will happen to them, you can't have the organizers just kick people out based on popularity. Or get them in, as the Idra invite shows. Coca suffered worse from his team, who reacted right away, giving GOM no chance to react. That's how it should've been. Naniwa got off very lightly. His team obviously cares about money and the newly acquired contract more than competitive integrity. What should have happened is that he should've gotten kicked out of the ST house and banned from competing in any tournaments for a while. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:02 boxturtle wrote: Coca suffered worse from his team, who reacted right away, giving GOM no chance to react. That's how it should've been. Naniwa got off very lightly. His team obviously cares about money and the newly acquired contract more than competitive integrity. What should have happened is that he should've gotten kicked out of the ST house and banned from competing in any tournaments for a while. No, match-fixing should be punishable by commission of the competition rather than the teams. Simply because "he suffered worse from his team" doesn't mean a concurrent match ban should not be handed out. On December 14 2011 22:02 haduken wrote: lol if he wasn't a brat then there wouldn't be a ruling... why the fuck are people arguing about this? There probably wasn't any rule about forcing people to try to play the game, new flash, most players actually want to play. Maybe GOM should write down every single rule to not be a fucking spoiled brat then people will stfu. They should be writing rules like that and define behaviours like this to be punishable offence, lol. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Paladia
802 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:02 baoluvboa wrote: First that had no seeding arrangement according to Mr. Chae so it is outside of GOM's jurisdiction. Second Slayers already punished him and if they didn't, most likely Gom would have too considering how tough they were on Choya and Rain. Second, Naniwa had no seed. Providence did not have a seed. Ehm, it was a direct qualification to Code A. Naniwa earned a Code S seed by placing in the top 3 and being the highest placing none code S player. As per their arrangement: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Providence was a Pro Circuit Live Competition and Naniwa was the highest placing none code-s player. This feels like Kespa all over again, getting rid of players on a whim, inviting and giving favours to others on a whim. | ||
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Catbus
80 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:27 FXOpen wrote: Answer: No Reason: doesnt need to be cleared up. Answer: Yes Reason: doesnt need to be cleared up. | ||
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Smile[PaiN]
Canada58 Posts
From my understanding this ban is perfectly reasonable. Correct me if im wrong but its only a 1 month ban on just his S ticket. If a Korean did what Naniwa did then he would have had it x100 worse. | ||
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