EPTNow lets see...Naniwa got his Code S seed revoked...he isn't banned from the league...he is revoked from Code S this season
So...it seems like they went a little easy on him
Are GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem? - Page 12
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
Now lets see...Naniwa got his Code S seed revoked...he isn't banned from the league...he is revoked from Code S this season So...it seems like they went a little easy on him | ||
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Bubbas
Sweden76 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:22 HuKPOWA wrote: In the ESL there was a recent "problem" with match fixing both the players got thrown out of Code S and out of tournaments for a long time.... Now lets see...Naniwa got his Code S seed revoked...he isn't banned from the league...he is revoked from Code S this season So...it seems like they went a little easy on him Nani didn't fix any matches though. He just tried a really bad build that completely failed. Whether he had almost no chance of winning or not is irrelevant. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:23 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: Nani didn't fix any matches though. He just tried a really bad build that completely failed. Whether he had almost no chance of winning or not is irrelevant. When you throw a game...which Naniwa admitted to, it takes all the professionalism away from Naniwa no matter how hard he worked to get his Code S spot...he would probably do the same exact thing in GSL Code S if he was in the bottom of his gorup | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: You can argue all day about how much effort he did or didn't put in as opposed to how much effort other do or don't put in. But it is all elementary. We all have seen professionals putting in nowhere near enough effort to win. If you want to call one situation of "I don't give a crap" better than another because in one the guy happened to put in more effort at HIDING the fact that he wasn't putting in any effort to WIN, than I find that to be hypocritical. I can totally see where he is coming with the assertion that this is based on bandwagon reactions by GOM. Do you really think if everyone thought it was brilliant and hilarious that they would have not only banned the guy, but would have insulted him personally? No. I seriously doubt that they would. Maybe I'm wrong though... never know these days. Sorry mate but you seem to lack basic understanding of the situation. If Naniwas actions had not been so offensive there would be no outrage over them, ergo Gom would not react to them (or need to react even). His play WAS so offensive that a majority of the Koreans and a fairly significant amount of people worldwide were up in arms about it (as evidenced by the heated debate over here as well). If you want to bring faulty analogies into it, let me offer you one more: in a completly meaningless game (post-season, play off spots fixed and both sides playing already out of it) one side brings their B lineup to give them experience (what most people say Nani should have done) while the other side get's out on the field, kicks the ball once in the direction of the other sides goal and then sits down and has a rest (what Naniwa has done). What exactly is the league supposed to say to such behaviour? Can there be any other reaction than heavy fines/sanctions if they want to present a professional image? | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:22 HuKPOWA wrote: In the ESL there was a recent "problem" with match fixing both the players got thrown out of Code S and out of tournaments for a long time.... Now lets see...Naniwa got his Code S seed revoked...he isn't banned from the league...he is revoked from Code S this season So...it seems like they went a little easy on him In the ESV Korean Weekly, not the ESL. Just a slight correction. | ||
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Zraf
54 Posts
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HyTex
United States67 Posts
When you make a shit format that allows for meaningless games like this, it's only a manner of time before something like this happens. What if the probe rusher was WhiteRa? Or Sheth? I'm sure the community's opinion would have been different if one of their beloved manner players ragequit. So this decision by NaNiwa forces GOM to save face and punish the apparent "disrespect", even though the game was . I certainly wouldn't have played longer than 2 minutes after losing three matches in such a close manner. If I was really pissed, I would have straight up walked out of GOM studio and went home. There's no point in playing a game that doesn't benefit me in any way, especially after practicing for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Do any of you idiots realize the insane effort and lifestyle being a progamer requires, and how hard they are hit after losing in game(s) that close? They blame nobody but themselves, too, because that's what the improvement mentality is all about. By the way, shove your money up your ass because NaNiwa had every right to do what he did, and indirectly, it only happened because the Koreans made a mistake. To make things worse, they remedied their error with... another dumb mistake. Many of you don't have half the character NaNiwa does, and him tossing a meaningless game is not a reason for people to start FIVE threads discussing the nuances of it. This is why I don't watch GSL. | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:15 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: You can argue all day about how much effort he did or didn't put in as opposed to how much effort other do or don't put in. But it is all elementary. We all have seen professionals putting in nowhere near enough effort to win. If you want to call one situation of "I don't give a crap" better than another because in one the guy happened to put in more effort at HIDING the fact that he wasn't putting in any effort to WIN, than I find that to be hypocritical. A 6 pool is an aggressive move that's still capable of winning. A fucking OSL was won with a 5 pool. A probe rush without micro is a 0% maneuver. It will not work, even against a Gold player who counter a-moves. Naniwa's probably did no more than 5 or 10 actions the entire game. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3684 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:29 Jibba wrote: A 6 pool is an aggressive move that's still capable of winning. A fucking OSL was won with a 5 pool. A probe rush without micro is a 0% maneuver. It will not work, even against a Gold player who counter a-moves. Naniwa's probably did no more than 5 or 10 actions the entire game. Select workers. Right click in opponnents base. A-Move It's three. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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HiTeK532
Canada171 Posts
GOM is in a position where they can pick and choose what players they want to have competing since it's the biggest tournament to win if they feel like someone is going to disrespect the tournament in anyway they can and as demonstrate by naniwa will refuse to pick them. | ||
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Azhrei16
United States284 Posts
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EricFartman
China76 Posts
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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:18 DystopiaX wrote: Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL. And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen. edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction. The problem with having multiple threads on the same topic is that one thread starts discussing what the other has already covered. For example, the bolded section. This was covered (and is in the OP) of the Naniwa Code-S seed revoked thread. from that thread: "Here's the rule being used as justification: Warning or disqualification - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours" This isn't arbitrary. Naniwa, for reasons that are justifiable to him or not, tarnished the sanctity of the game. As a league that markets the games to their audience as the best in the world (most of that audience stays up until the wee hours of the morning might I add) GOM can not afford players just wasting games like that because they don't feel like playing. There are dozens of players in Korea and around the world that would've killed for even the opportunity Naniwa had, and I believe GOM is in the right to dole out a punishment here. Historically the Korean scene is pretty severe with their punishments to anything relating to matchfixing/ruining (Byun, Choya, Savior) and Naniwa should've been wiser | ||
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ShoCK77
45 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:28 HyTex wrote: When you make a shit format that allows for meaningless games like this, it's only a manner of time before something like this happens. What if the probe rusher was WhiteRa? Or Sheth? I'm sure the community's opinion would have been different if one of their beloved manner players ragequit. they wouldnt do something like that and if they did i would have the same opinion as in naniwas case! | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
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