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Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
December 14 2011 16:02 GMT
#241
Im glad gom did whatever they did. SC2's side of esport needs to be more professional imo.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 16:04 GMT
#242
No they aren't. Anyone with common sense understands that on the biggest stages especially you act with maturity.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 14 2011 16:13 GMT
#243
On December 14 2011 21:11 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:06 bubblegumbo wrote:
You are stupid if you think that a professional gamer, being required to be professional is considered arbitrary. One day when you get a job that means shit and puts you in the scrutiny of others perhaps you'll understand. Act like a kid and you'll be treated like a kid, especially when it's a job.


That would be like your boss telling you to take out the trash. After you are finished taking out the garbage, he then tells you to rip up some paper and throw it on the ground just to pick it up again. He is still paying you, but it is meaningless and you both know it.

I know you can say that the entertainment industry is a bit different than a real job. But a real fan should not get any enjoyment out of a fake game where neither opponent is putting in 100%.



Terrible analogy. You obviously are not yet in the professional workforce.

I think the OP and many of the newer fans are too young to know what it means to be professional. You're not going to be motivated to go to work everyday and won't be able to put your best effort in everyday. However, you don't just decide to show up and not work at all.
darlhet
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy548 Posts
December 14 2011 16:14 GMT
#244
meh i read the whole thing expecting something smart to be said, wasted time
"i feel like im wasting your time" qxc to whitera after getting crushed 0-4
Hydrox911
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom261 Posts
December 14 2011 16:15 GMT
#245
Completely agree with the post, the decision made by gom is outrageous and for me makes them look like an unprofessional organisation. Make your rules before enforcing them.
No, Your Quote.
Tuxedo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
December 14 2011 16:17 GMT
#246
I am so mad that Naniwa got kicked out based on some dumb rule that actually doesn't make sense. abusing the audience?? are you kidding me this drama brought gom more attention!
Dat Ax! I bleed Infinity Seven Black
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
December 14 2011 16:19 GMT
#247
What gom did is not very professional. A professional organisation should have a more professional attitude. Even if one of your players is acting unprofessionally, you should be the better man by acting more professional than him.

Naniwa isn't always as professional as possible but as professionals gom should also understand that emotions run high and sometimes people don't act professional. The more professional solution would be to reclarify the rules, give naniwa a stern warning and adjust the format to make the tournament more professional.

Both made a mistake here, but as professionals maybe they can give naniwa a second chance. The subjective rules were not very clear. As a professional you cannot retro-actively punish someone.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
December 14 2011 16:52 GMT
#248
On December 15 2011 01:19 Paperplane wrote:
What gom did is not very professional. A professional organisation should have a more professional attitude. Even if one of your players is acting unprofessionally, you should be the better man by acting more professional than him.

Untrue.

In every sport players get punished regardless of it being their first offense. If they had banned him from GSL forever, okay, that would be a terrible decision, but every pro knows Korean culture is extremely strict, and even if it wasn't, you're playing in the GSL against Nestea. There's probably no other pro in the world that would have done what Naniwa did there, not even IdrA (regardless of his opinion on the subject, he wouldn't have done it). He'll learn from his mistake, and if he's good enough he'll make it back into Code S and prove GOM wrong for banning him originally.

I love crazymoving
JL_GG
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:53:56
December 14 2011 16:53 GMT
#249
just look at him
so much for professionalism
PS: this is how he played against nestea in a televised game and this is during the game

[image loading][image loading]
KoBlades
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria248 Posts
December 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#250
has been said before, but just think one moment what would have happened if a Korean would have done that.. I think gom has every right to punish their players, though this punishment might be a bit harsh, maybe something like straight to code a matches instead of a chance to play in code s would have been more appropriate.
"What do you know about fear?" -"Everything."
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
December 14 2011 17:24 GMT
#251
On December 15 2011 01:53 JL_GG wrote:
just look at him
so much for professionalism
PS: this is how he played against nestea in a televised game and this is during the game

[image loading][image loading]



Nice and consequent way to highlight how little sense such a showmatch makes from a competitive standpoint.

People who want to see fake competition should go watch wrestling.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
December 14 2011 17:27 GMT
#252
On December 15 2011 02:24 perestain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:53 JL_GG wrote:
just look at him
so much for professionalism
PS: this is how he played against nestea in a televised game and this is during the game

[image loading][image loading]



Nice and consequent way to highlight how little sense such a showmatch makes from a competitive standpoint.

People who want to see fake competition should go watch wrestling.


you're implying fake competition is acceptable, it is not. Just that being blatantly obvious about it is not being "honest", its admitting you're match fixing
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:50:23
December 14 2011 18:48 GMT
#253
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished.


This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming.

Also what is this fake competition crap everyones on about?

The initial competition is between 2 players fighting to see who is better, the overall picture is the group standings. When you play anyone you should be trying to win regardless.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Master_Blaster
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom269 Posts
December 14 2011 18:51 GMT
#254
On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished.


This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming.



Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player?

PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
December 14 2011 18:51 GMT
#255
Dude didn't want to play a pointless showmatch. It's up to him, he made the right choice.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
nkulu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States242 Posts
December 14 2011 18:52 GMT
#256
GOM can do whatever they want. Professionalism and respect is very important. In professional sports people don't just quit when they are losing or are too far behind to catch up. You owe it to the fans, GOM, and your team to continue playing.
TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
December 14 2011 18:53 GMT
#257
This would all be solved if they just stopped seeding foreigners and made them play the qualifiers like everyone else.

They could "invite" them in which they pay for their flight, and that would be good enough (since paying for your own flight and then losing in a qualifier would kind of suck.)
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
December 14 2011 18:54 GMT
#258
On December 14 2011 20:17 red4ce wrote:
What GOM giveth, so too GOM shall taketh away. Coca and Rain lost their code S spots for 'unprofessional behavior' so it's not like we didn't know the rule didn't exist.



dont be insulting rain, as rain was never involved in such incident. Rain left under his own will to play in foreign tournaments and live with his father in new york.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:57:03
December 14 2011 18:55 GMT
#259
On December 15 2011 02:27 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:24 perestain wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:53 JL_GG wrote:
just look at him
so much for professionalism
PS: this is how he played against nestea in a televised game and this is during the game

[image loading][image loading]



Nice and consequent way to highlight how little sense such a showmatch makes from a competitive standpoint.

People who want to see fake competition should go watch wrestling.


you're implying fake competition is acceptable, it is not. Just that being blatantly obvious about it is not being "honest", its admitting you're match fixing


Apparently someone doesn't like wrestling! Do you honestly think it's better to come out and not give it your all? It's just as dishonest man. I don't want to watch shit that doesn't matter. It's still being fake and all your doing is providing lip service. That is match fixing as well because you aren't fucking trying to win. Walking away from a match is just as bad. Professional athletes at least show up to the arena, but it doesn't mean they are going to give it their all for whatever issue they have. Professional athletes don't even act professional all the time.

People know wrestling is fake beforehand. It's nothing more than men in tights in a soap opera and the fans buy into it.

It's not a competitive sport. It has attributes that require athletics, but it isn't competitive. The competition in wrestling is, who can create the most buzz and put on a good match/show. That's the difference between getting pushed and staying on the mid-bottom card.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
December 14 2011 18:56 GMT
#260
On December 15 2011 03:51 Master_Blaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished.


This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming.



Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player?



Why's Naniwa in Korea if he's not going to respect their culture?
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
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