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On December 15 2011 04:00 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:56 Denzil wrote:On December 15 2011 03:51 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming. Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player? Why's Naniwa in Korea if he's not going to respect their culture? When you go to Istambul they don't make the tourist women cover their heads, because the Muslim don't force their own view on tourist for example Koreans wanting foreigns to act as they do is wrong. Also Naniwa shouldn't be force to play a useless game. Again, imposing their view.
FYI, when you go to Saudi Arabia, women are forced to cover their heads because the Muslim there do force their views on tourists (and men cannot wear shorts if I remember). Just because they don't do it in one place doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere else (as you example would make it believe).
Therefore, find a better example...
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I dont think GOMTV should be allowed to kick some1 from their tournament becouse basically they didnt like his "play" in a meaningless match
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On December 15 2011 04:15 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:10 Timerly wrote:
To state the obvious, GOM needs a whole set of refined rules, better rule-coaching for foreigners who might have different ethical standards and a BIG change to the whole seed-system which seems random at best. The whole Naniwa situation is not about ethics or at least it shouldn't be. You may determine things right or wrong from your perspective but what ultimately makes international sports viable is a common set of rules one can not simply interpret based on perceived ethics. "The player must make an effort to take every game seriously and not throw matches by not appearing, refusing to play or not actively playing when already in the game." Something along those lines and I'm by far not one to write law books. GOM has a set of rules they think common sense would complete but their interpretation of common sense is not one based 100% on winning championships as is Naniwa's mindset.
tldr: they need better rules, now. You need a rule to state the obvious? You need a rule to say, "You need to play in a sportsman-like fashion"? Isn't that obvious by the fact that you're a professional gamer? If Naniwa needs a specific rule to spell out what "be professional" means, then that says more about him as a player than GOM.
Yes, it might. It's still an issue of having very different personalities play and the whole drama, outrage etc. are spawned by GOM quoting some arbitrary set of rules. If there were a rule like that, would we have all this shit going down? If somebody told the guy before and made clear there was a rule like the one I posted, would the whole thing even have happened?
It may be disrespectful but that doesn't mean he should get his Code S (which him gaining it was a huge mess in itself btw) revoked or be punished without a set degree. You can get fined up to 1000$, fine. We decide what measures we think are approriate? I don't think so. I've been a football referee for far too long to believe in the whole people have to be decent thing and then think it's not gonna spawn bigger problems than just having those rules in.
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On December 15 2011 04:20 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:00 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:56 Denzil wrote:On December 15 2011 03:51 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming. Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player? Why's Naniwa in Korea if he's not going to respect their culture? When you go to Istambul they don't make the tourist women cover their heads, because the Muslim don't force their own view on tourist for example Koreans wanting foreigns to act as they do is wrong. Also Naniwa shouldn't be force to play a useless game. Again, imposing their view. FYI, when you go to Saudi Arabia, women are forced to cover their heads because the Muslim there do force their views on tourists (and men cannot wear shorts if I remember). Therefore, find a better example...
Even if he did find a better example, the Korean's aren't imposing anything,
Being a professional is universal. Naniwa participated in this tournament and the matches were scheduled. Even if the game had no meaning as he was 0-3, at the least do not make a mockery of the game.
Naniwa is just a child always was in wc3 and still is now.
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Naniwa got what he deserved.
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On December 15 2011 04:17 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:15 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:11 Inertia_EU wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. Exactly this. If a Korean player disrespected a tournament/did not represent their team well it'd be the end of their career. So what? I don't want the esport to grow in an industry were you get DQ for saying "ggg" instead of "gg". Players need room to show their characters. After all we love a player more by his character than his skill. And respect is subjective. In USA what Naniwa did would have been laughed of. In Korea we must cut his pinkie. Wrong. I'm from america born and raised. NFL for example. Last game of regular season, a team that's already in playoffs, might take it easier sure, to avoid needless injuries. But they would get serious backlash if they came and made a mockery of the game. NIce exxageration with your GGG example and what not. And cutting off pinky? That's a Japanese yakuza thing, nice ignorance. Regarding your comment about liking a player more due to character than skill? hahaha. Ok go watch WWE. I actually like to see the best of the best in regards to skill.
Yeah? Who do you follow on stream? Bomber or Destiny? And actually don't answer cause I don't care about you in specific, but the majority. Bomber doesn't go above 2k, like ever.
And if the NFL teams take the game easier than they don't deliver 100% of the skill, so it's an irrelevant example. why not force them to play at their best in every game?
And I wasn't exaggerating, it's what Kespa does.
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[B]On December 15 2011 04:15 Master_Blaster wrote:
And respect is subjective. In USA what Naniwa did would have been laughed of. In Korea we must cut his pinkie.
I totally disagree with that statement. Naniwa has been disqualified from a number of tournaments in his career for unprofessional behavior. What he did was clearly stupid from a career standpoint. He's not difficult to foresee that he would be punished for throwing the game and that punishment would impact his participation in the GSL. Stop trying to blame cultural differences for an act that was simply inexcusable.
Also, let's assume for a moment that there was a cultural aspect that Naniwa simply didn't understand. That the korean SC2 culture is completely different from US and Europe and what he did would've been tolerated elsewhere. That's still no excuse from a professional standpoint because part of being a professional is understanding cultural differences and adapting them when you're in a different place. If you can't understand that when you participate in GSL, you need to abide by GSL standards, then you should just pack your bags and go home since you clearly don't belong there.
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On December 15 2011 04:20 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:00 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:56 Denzil wrote:On December 15 2011 03:51 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming. Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player? Why's Naniwa in Korea if he's not going to respect their culture? When you go to Istambul they don't make the tourist women cover their heads, because the Muslim don't force their own view on tourist for example Koreans wanting foreigns to act as they do is wrong. Also Naniwa shouldn't be force to play a useless game. Again, imposing their view. FYI, when you go to Saudi Arabia, women are forced to cover their heads because the Muslim there do force their views on tourists (and men cannot wear shorts if I remember). Just because they don't do it in one place doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere else (as you example would make it believe). Therefore, find a better example...
That was the point, that people don't force their culture everywhere so it's not like its a must to understand the koreans. And I don't want to change my morality based on the timezone.
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On December 15 2011 04:16 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:00 Lann555 wrote:
I still don't get it.
Basically this happened:
GOM:"Naniwa, we would like you to play Nestea. It might not matter, but we'd still like you to play versus him"
Naniwa:" Go fuck yourself, GOM
GOM:"Ok, next time we need someone to play a game, we will ask someone else"
Seems fairly reasonable from GOM Naniwa wasn't asked to come to this tournament he earned his spot.
And he just unearned it. What's the problem?
On December 15 2011 04:21 Timerly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:15 NicolBolas wrote:On December 15 2011 04:10 Timerly wrote:
To state the obvious, GOM needs a whole set of refined rules, better rule-coaching for foreigners who might have different ethical standards and a BIG change to the whole seed-system which seems random at best. The whole Naniwa situation is not about ethics or at least it shouldn't be. You may determine things right or wrong from your perspective but what ultimately makes international sports viable is a common set of rules one can not simply interpret based on perceived ethics. "The player must make an effort to take every game seriously and not throw matches by not appearing, refusing to play or not actively playing when already in the game." Something along those lines and I'm by far not one to write law books. GOM has a set of rules they think common sense would complete but their interpretation of common sense is not one based 100% on winning championships as is Naniwa's mindset.
tldr: they need better rules, now. You need a rule to state the obvious? You need a rule to say, "You need to play in a sportsman-like fashion"? Isn't that obvious by the fact that you're a professional gamer? If Naniwa needs a specific rule to spell out what "be professional" means, then that says more about him as a player than GOM. Yes, it might. It's still an issue of having very different personalities play and the whole drama, outrage etc. are spawned by GOM quoting some arbitrary set of rules. If there were a rule like that, would we have all this shit going down? If somebody told the guy before and made clear there was a rule like the one I posted, would the whole thing even have happened?
Again, why do you need a rule to tell you what being a professional means? What does it say about Naniwa that he even needs someone to spell out how to behave?
You don't take a dump on the game. It's that simple: respect the game.
Naniwa didn't, and he's being punished for it.
On December 15 2011 04:25 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:20 ForeverSleep wrote:On December 15 2011 04:00 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:56 Denzil wrote:On December 15 2011 03:51 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming. Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player? Why's Naniwa in Korea if he's not going to respect their culture? When you go to Istambul they don't make the tourist women cover their heads, because the Muslim don't force their own view on tourist for example Koreans wanting foreigns to act as they do is wrong. Also Naniwa shouldn't be force to play a useless game. Again, imposing their view. FYI, when you go to Saudi Arabia, women are forced to cover their heads because the Muslim there do force their views on tourists (and men cannot wear shorts if I remember). Just because they don't do it in one place doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere else (as you example would make it believe). Therefore, find a better example... That was the point, that people don't force their culture everywhere so it's not like its a must to understand the koreans. And I don't want to change my morality based on the timezone.
OK then. Name a sport anywhere that Naniwa's behavior (clearly allowing the opposing player/team to win) would have been condoned in.
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When you are invited into someone's home you don't disrespect them just cause you feel like it.
Naniwa needed to be punished, I applaud GOM for taking this extremely seriously. If Naniwa:
"WANTS TO MAKE A LIVING PLAYING VIDEO GAMES AND MAKE A VERY DECENT WAGE FOR DOING SO"
and
'GOT A FREE TRIP TO KOREA AND A PLACE TO STAY (Their rent = ridiculous) AND GETS TO PLAY STARCRAFT FOR A LIVING"
not to mention
"GOT INVITED TO A VERY PRESTIGIOUS TOURNAMENT WHICH MANY OTHER PROGAMERS WOULD HAVE LOVED TO BE IN"
And then just spits in their faces? I wouldn't even want him playing the same game as me if I was a korean progamer who invests almost all his/her time into playing a game in hopes of getting the same priviledges as naniwa. (yeah yeah caps is cool I know)
That being said, GOM's rules are there to insure that they can obtain more viewers and to make it easier for foreign players to enter into their tournament. If you had to come over for a month just to play and then get into the tournament and lose in the first round, why would you even try? You'd stay behind and enter tournaments around your own country. Going to korea is not just as easy as "show up and practice real hard bro" it's a serious investment. Anything that GOM can do to improve the foreign scene is helping esports imo. As exciting as DH/MLG/NASL can be, GSL is the top-tier competition and it's the only one used to determine who is the best really.
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He didn't break any rules, and the one they claim he did break is completely laughable.
If anything, they should have just added another arbitrary rule that prevents this.
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On December 15 2011 04:24 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:17 jj33 wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:11 Inertia_EU wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. Exactly this. If a Korean player disrespected a tournament/did not represent their team well it'd be the end of their career. So what? I don't want the esport to grow in an industry were you get DQ for saying "ggg" instead of "gg". Players need room to show their characters. After all we love a player more by his character than his skill. And respect is subjective. In USA what Naniwa did would have been laughed of. In Korea we must cut his pinkie. Wrong. I'm from america born and raised. NFL for example. Last game of regular season, a team that's already in playoffs, might take it easier sure, to avoid needless injuries. But they would get serious backlash if they came and made a mockery of the game. NIce exxageration with your GGG example and what not. And cutting off pinky? That's a Japanese yakuza thing, nice ignorance. Regarding your comment about liking a player more due to character than skill? hahaha. Ok go watch WWE. I actually like to see the best of the best in regards to skill. Yeah? Who do you follow on stream? Bomber or Destiny? And actually don't answer cause I don't care about you in specific, but the majority. Bomber doesn't go above 2k, like ever. And if the NFL teams take the game easier than they don't deliver 100% of the skill, so it's an irrelevant example. why not force them to play at their best in every game? And I wasn't exaggerating, it's what Kespa does.
what a dumb example regarding your stream watching hahha.
I guess you would rather watch destiny over MVP in a real tournament huh?
And no the NFL example isn't irrelevant.
They are still playing the game out and not making a mockery.
What naniwa did would be like an NFL team purposely throwing interceptions or fumbling or running the wrong fucken way.
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How about this new rule : Play the game given to the best of your ability so people don't question your professionalism. Don't be a little baby about it and suck it up.
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yo, i thought this topic is about rules, not what naniwa did.
so whenever a player does something, gom can say the broke some rule which has no relevance to the crime, and ban people for it.
people support that?
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To the thread owner:
Guess 99% of the posters disagree with you. Reason? No bias towards a fellow swedish player.
As far as I'm concerned, if GSL is to keep being the most competitive and respect tournament in e-Sports, the "scum" (namely ragers, fixers and bottomline unprofessional personalities) most be removed. If that means adjusting the rules so that could happen, then by all means do it.
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On December 15 2011 04:25 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:16 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:00 Lann555 wrote:
I still don't get it.
Basically this happened:
GOM:"Naniwa, we would like you to play Nestea. It might not matter, but we'd still like you to play versus him"
Naniwa:" Go fuck yourself, GOM
GOM:"Ok, next time we need someone to play a game, we will ask someone else"
Seems fairly reasonable from GOM Naniwa wasn't asked to come to this tournament he earned his spot. And he just unearned it. What's the problem? Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:21 Timerly wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 NicolBolas wrote:On December 15 2011 04:10 Timerly wrote:
To state the obvious, GOM needs a whole set of refined rules, better rule-coaching for foreigners who might have different ethical standards and a BIG change to the whole seed-system which seems random at best. The whole Naniwa situation is not about ethics or at least it shouldn't be. You may determine things right or wrong from your perspective but what ultimately makes international sports viable is a common set of rules one can not simply interpret based on perceived ethics. "The player must make an effort to take every game seriously and not throw matches by not appearing, refusing to play or not actively playing when already in the game." Something along those lines and I'm by far not one to write law books. GOM has a set of rules they think common sense would complete but their interpretation of common sense is not one based 100% on winning championships as is Naniwa's mindset.
tldr: they need better rules, now. You need a rule to state the obvious? You need a rule to say, "You need to play in a sportsman-like fashion"? Isn't that obvious by the fact that you're a professional gamer? If Naniwa needs a specific rule to spell out what "be professional" means, then that says more about him as a player than GOM. Yes, it might. It's still an issue of having very different personalities play and the whole drama, outrage etc. are spawned by GOM quoting some arbitrary set of rules. If there were a rule like that, would we have all this shit going down? If somebody told the guy before and made clear there was a rule like the one I posted, would the whole thing even have happened? Again, why do you need a rule to tell you what being a professional means? What does it say about Naniwa that he even needs someone to spell out how to behave? You don't take a dump on the game. It's that simple: respect the game. Naniwa didn't, and he's being punished for it. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:25 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:20 ForeverSleep wrote:On December 15 2011 04:00 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:56 Denzil wrote:On December 15 2011 03:51 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:48 Denzil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. This is true, there would be so much more of a shit storm say Clide did this after going 0-3 in his group. One where he'd probably be forced to make a statement saying he's taking a break from pro gaming. Why should we care that a Korean would get sacrificed for doing this? It's their culture. Naniwa sees StarCraft as a profession not a religion. Why are they forcing their view on the player? Why's Naniwa in Korea if he's not going to respect their culture? When you go to Istambul they don't make the tourist women cover their heads, because the Muslim don't force their own view on tourist for example Koreans wanting foreigns to act as they do is wrong. Also Naniwa shouldn't be force to play a useless game. Again, imposing their view. FYI, when you go to Saudi Arabia, women are forced to cover their heads because the Muslim there do force their views on tourists (and men cannot wear shorts if I remember). Just because they don't do it in one place doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere else (as you example would make it believe). Therefore, find a better example... That was the point, that people don't force their culture everywhere so it's not like its a must to understand the koreans. And I don't want to change my morality based on the timezone. OK then. Name a sport anywhere that Naniwa's behavior (clearly allowing the opposing player/team to win) would have been condoned in.
Exactly.
What I just said regarding the NFL example.
What Naniwa did is the equivalent of literally throwing the game way by throwing interceptions on purpose etc.
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This thread is completely right.
IMO, if you want to do shit like this, have it written down, make a rule about, something like if gom suspects someone threw a game, they'll investigate, and actually have a proper punishment layed out depending on severity and what it leads to (like losing your spot in GSL)... don't get mad one day and decide to come up with a random punishment of banning someone for a rule that doesn't really exist because you disagree with his opinions and culture.
That way, even if naniwa thought it was stupid, at least he'd know the consequences beforehand. Coming up with rules and laws after incidents is fine, but they should never apply to the incident that caused them to be made, that is just common sense, you can't convict someone due to a law that you come up with mid-trial in court. As for the validity of the game, why are you forcing him to play anyway GOM? Should all 7 games of a bo7 be played even after someone has won 4? In AoL and Up/Down, do you play the meaningless games? No, both of those are stupid concepts, as is the concept of the entire Naniwa vs. Nestea match. How could you honestly expect them to take it seriously?
And how come nobody ever cared when idra threw those games away against MC at MLG? The stupid 6 pool comes to mind. And those actually mattered. Or when Stephano did it in Dreamhack? Because those strategies had a "chance" of winning, even if the player didn't give a fuck? So all of you just want to be lied to so that everything stays the perfect little way you want it to? That train of thought is really scary to me, I can't believe people can think like that. And if you claim it's supposed to be a showmatch/grudgematch/whatever, what about when Nestea said Huk tried too hard/cared too much in their showmatch and too it too seriously?
To me it just seems like a bunch of hypocritical decisions and words being spoken out of pure emotional response. I'm fine with you not agreeing with what naniwa did. I'm fine with you not liking naniwa. But what I'm not fine with is the punishment, the random rules that pop up after-the-fact, and the ban.
I honestly don't understand anyone who does agree, but I have a feeling emotion and bias due to not liking the guy is clearly surpassing logic.
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On December 15 2011 04:28 whereyouat wrote:
How about this new rule : Play the game given to the best of your ability so people don't question your professionalism. Don't be a little baby about it and suck it up.
That's the thing.
GOM and any professional organization assumes a so called "professional" would adhere to that.
Naniwa is a child and apparently he needs to be reminded he's a "professional".
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On December 15 2011 04:28 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:24 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:17 jj33 wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:11 Inertia_EU wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. Exactly this. If a Korean player disrespected a tournament/did not represent their team well it'd be the end of their career. So what? I don't want the esport to grow in an industry were you get DQ for saying "ggg" instead of "gg". Players need room to show their characters. After all we love a player more by his character than his skill. And respect is subjective. In USA what Naniwa did would have been laughed of. In Korea we must cut his pinkie. Wrong. I'm from america born and raised. NFL for example. Last game of regular season, a team that's already in playoffs, might take it easier sure, to avoid needless injuries. But they would get serious backlash if they came and made a mockery of the game. NIce exxageration with your GGG example and what not. And cutting off pinky? That's a Japanese yakuza thing, nice ignorance. Regarding your comment about liking a player more due to character than skill? hahaha. Ok go watch WWE. I actually like to see the best of the best in regards to skill. Yeah? Who do you follow on stream? Bomber or Destiny? And actually don't answer cause I don't care about you in specific, but the majority. Bomber doesn't go above 2k, like ever. And if the NFL teams take the game easier than they don't deliver 100% of the skill, so it's an irrelevant example. why not force them to play at their best in every game? And I wasn't exaggerating, it's what Kespa does. what a dumb example regarding your stream watching hahha. I guess you would rather watch destiny over MVP in a real tournament huh? And no the NFL example isn't irrelevant. They are still playing the game out and not making a mockery. What naniwa did would be like an NFL team purposely throwing interceptions or fumbling or running the wrong fucken way.
Can you provide me with all the matches of NFL that have been played this year to make the statement that they don't waste the time in the game? You are just stating somethin in the air. And comparing StarCraft mathes to timed matches is weird. Naniwa didn't insta gg, he did something useless instead to lose the game.
And if the game is pointless then they can do what they want on the field as long as they respect the rules of the game.Who am I to blame them for not playing like it was the finals?
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On December 15 2011 04:33 Master_Blaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:28 jj33 wrote:On December 15 2011 04:24 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:17 jj33 wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 04:11 Inertia_EU wrote:On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished. Exactly this. If a Korean player disrespected a tournament/did not represent their team well it'd be the end of their career. So what? I don't want the esport to grow in an industry were you get DQ for saying "ggg" instead of "gg". Players need room to show their characters. After all we love a player more by his character than his skill. And respect is subjective. In USA what Naniwa did would have been laughed of. In Korea we must cut his pinkie. Wrong. I'm from america born and raised. NFL for example. Last game of regular season, a team that's already in playoffs, might take it easier sure, to avoid needless injuries. But they would get serious backlash if they came and made a mockery of the game. NIce exxageration with your GGG example and what not. And cutting off pinky? That's a Japanese yakuza thing, nice ignorance. Regarding your comment about liking a player more due to character than skill? hahaha. Ok go watch WWE. I actually like to see the best of the best in regards to skill. Yeah? Who do you follow on stream? Bomber or Destiny? And actually don't answer cause I don't care about you in specific, but the majority. Bomber doesn't go above 2k, like ever. And if the NFL teams take the game easier than they don't deliver 100% of the skill, so it's an irrelevant example. why not force them to play at their best in every game? And I wasn't exaggerating, it's what Kespa does. what a dumb example regarding your stream watching hahha. I guess you would rather watch destiny over MVP in a real tournament huh? And no the NFL example isn't irrelevant. They are still playing the game out and not making a mockery. What naniwa did would be like an NFL team purposely throwing interceptions or fumbling or running the wrong fucken way. Can you provide me with all the matches of NFL that have been played this year to make the statement that they don't waste the time in the game? You are just stating somethin in the air. And comparing StarCraft mathes to timed matches is weird. Naniwa didn't insta gg, he did something useless instead to lose the game. And if the game is pointless then they can do what they want on the field as long as they respect the rules of the game.Who am I to blame them for not playing like it was the finals?
Waste what time in the game? I'm not stating anything from thin air.
It's really simple.
Naniwa threw the game way by throwing probes and no micro no nothing. Literally gave the game away to nestea.
That would be the equivalent of an NFL team purposely throwing interceptions or fumbling and literally giving the game away to opposing team.
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