EPTNaniwa throwing a game that didn't matter - punishment?
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lololol
5198 Posts
Naniwa throwing a game that didn't matter - punishment? | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:32 Keyboard Warrior wrote: Naniwa deserved every flak he is getting. would White Ra have done it? Fuck no! Just grow up Nani, you have a solid fan base supporting you When in doubt, ask yourself: What would White-Ra do? I like it. | ||
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rontol
71 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:54 Kotreb wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought this is a thread about GOM rules and how exactly foreigners get place in code a/s, not about the recent naniwa thing... You're not wrong, emotion sometime beat purpose/rule. | ||
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Breavman
Sweden598 Posts
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:18 greatboy wrote: OP from Sweden. Disagree. stupidity rockz | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:19 Velr wrote: You don't see football clubs that our allready out of the championship kicking the ball willingly in their own goal or just sit at the sidelines for 90 minutes just because they allready lost. This needs to be addressed right now: Did Naniwa kill his own probes? No? Then what he did is in NO WAY comparable to kicking goals into his own net. Did Naniwa let his probes stand idle until NesTea killed them off? No? Then what he did is in NO WAY comparable to sitting on the sidelines for the entire game. What he did is comparable to putting almost zero effort into the game, which happens ALL THE TIME in professional sports. You people need to STOP comparing this to things that it is clearly not even close to being. It does not help your position at all. edit: to the OP: absolutely. Arbitrariness is the bane of all organized sports. You need set, specific rules that are always enforced the same way or competition is a farce. GSL has proven themselves to be a farce, as of now. Hopefully they can fix this, and soon. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
I don't know enough about the Korean esport culture to know if it's 1 or 2 that failed in the nani drama but from what I read this far I would guess it's a mix of both. It is a popularity contest to a degree, they gave Idra code S for example which is understandable, especially in Idras case since they will probably make a lot of money on it. But when it comes to enforcing rules it shouldn't be a popularity contest and I'm a bit worried that it is/will be without at least somewhat clear rules. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:59 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: This needs to be addressed right now: Did Naniwa kill his own probes? No? Then what he did is in NO WAY comparable to kicking goals into his own net. Did Naniwa let his probes stand idle until NesTea killed them off? No? Then what he did is in NO WAY comparable to sitting on the sidelines for the entire game. What he did is comparable to putting almost zero effort into the game, which happens ALL THE TIME in professional sports. You people need to STOP comparing this to things that it is clearly not even close to being. It does not help your position at all. I recall many sports players and teams playing until the end of a game pretty hard even if they're down by a score that wouldn't permit them to easily even the odds. They don't get paid to throw away the opportunity to provide entertainment. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:00 stevarius wrote: I recall many sports players and teams playing until the end of a game pretty hard even if they're down by a score that wouldn't permit them to easily even the odds. They don't get paid to throw away the opportunity to provide entertainment. As do I, and we all love those teams so super much. But they still don't win and all of their effort was still entirely meaningless to anyone but them. If Nani didn't care about the game then him putting in effort would be entirely meaningless, even to him. It would be more offensive to the fans, the tournament, and his opponent to pretend that he cares. They should have let him forfeit the match. The fact that they didn't is flabbergasting to me. | ||
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Latty
Germany567 Posts
said it before, you just cant do things like that. for all kids and other pro's its just " a game where nothing was on stake" but there is a buiseness behind this. that is what everyone wants for esports. guess why the people you namen in the OP played in korea, right. because someone paid for everything. because its a effing buiseness thing. not just " who's the sickest nerd baller" so complain about rules --> grow up complain about gom.tv -> grow up you want a career in esports, you want esports to be taken seriously, stop acting like a child. | ||
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Insomni7
667 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote: If a Korean did it, he would be finished. A korean did something more serious than this once, he threw a game that mattered to help the guy he was playing against. I cant remember the player right now, but he lost his gsl spot. This is much more minor. That player though is far from finished. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:41 Zocat wrote: Rules are rules and should be treated as rules. I'm ok with the ban. I'm not ok with Coca receiving no ban. It doesnt matter that he forfeited - GOM should've banned him. It's good for the integrity of a tournament. Everyone was like "Nono Coca didnt get banned he forfeited" and now suddenly "Well, Coca has no Code S spot like Naniwa". Prior to the Naniwa incident you could argue "You will not get banned if you do X - see the Coca case". Now it's "You will not get banned if you forfeit faster than they can ban you" and that is just shitty logic & ruling. Idra & Sen suddenly receiving Code S spots falls into the same category for me. Am I happy for them? Yes, sure. But there's no rule which justifies it. It's purely arbitrary. And that - dear GOM - is also very unprofessional. coca is not allowed to return to GSL until his team and GOM both agrees that he is ready as a player. That is the same as being banned for indefinitely, far worse than naniwa... | ||
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:03 Latty wrote: holy batman. is it so hard to understand the whole situation ? said it before, you just cant do things like that. for all kids and other pro's its just " a game where nothing was on stake" but there is a buiseness behind this. that is what everyone wants for esports. guess why the people you namen in the OP played in korea, right. because someone paid for everything. because its a effing buiseness thing. not just " who's the sickest nerd baller" so complain about rules --> grow up complain about gom.tv -> grow up you want a career in esports, you want esports to be taken seriously, stop acting like a child. Perfectly said. The competition is held in Korea, if dishonorable acts are less-tolerated over there than players like Nani should cop the consequences on the chin.. especially after doing something as childish as that. Just look at the Korean players' reaction, they were disgusted, frustrated and felt cheated; which they should be. Just because you guys find it less wrong because of an 'average' tournament format doesn't excuse the poor sportsmanship Nani showed. Sick of simple minded kids on these forums spouting crap without taking every bit of context into consideration. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
So apparently GOMTV can do no wrong? | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
They invite who they want, when they want, and just like every other invite tournament, the player can either make it or not. This is not hurting eSports, it's the same EXACT stuff every other invite tournament does. Why did the Zowie girls that were invited get invited? Why did MLG stream/cast a Losira vs Diamond player game? They have their reasons, arbitrary or not this is what they decided to do and seeing as this is their business, we can't really touch it reasonably, imo. | ||
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Bulkers
Poland509 Posts
A: No, the problem is childish behavior and total lack of respect to anyone (spectators/sponsors/production crew ect.) by one of the players. I support GOM on this, if we all want e-sport to grow and prosper as main-stream sport one day, we need professionalism not this. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:59 MasterBlasterCaster wrote: This needs to be addressed right now: Did Naniwa kill his own probes? No? Then what he did is in NO WAY comparable to kicking goals into his own net. Did Naniwa let his probes stand idle until NesTea killed them off? No? Then what he did is in NO WAY comparable to sitting on the sidelines for the entire game. What he did is comparable to putting almost zero effort into the game, which happens ALL THE TIME in professional sports. You people need to STOP comparing this to things that it is clearly not even close to being. It does not help your position at all. No, it doesn't. He a-moved probes across the map and didn't touch them. You DO NOT see teams, even b teams, putting in as little effort as Naniwa did. Even in preseason games, they play harder than Naniwa did. As a player, he was essentially idle. While the OP has some points, it's also full of a bunch of terrible assertions that the OP is in no position to make. The decision is only because of netizen reactions? | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:00 stevarius wrote: I recall many sports players and teams playing until the end of a game pretty hard even if they're down by a score that wouldn't permit them to easily even the odds. They don't get paid to throw away the opportunity to provide entertainment. Trying to make a come back in a game that you're currently down in is not even remotely similar to not trying in a game that means nothing. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:11 Jibba wrote: No, it doesn't. He a-moved probes across the map and didn't touch them. You DO NOT see teams, even b teams, putting in as little effort as Naniwa did. Even in preseason games, they play harder than Naniwa did. As a player, he was essentially idle. While the OP has some points, it's also full of a bunch of terrible assertions that the OP is in no position to make. The decision is only because of netizen reactions? You can argue all day about how much effort he did or didn't put in as opposed to how much effort other do or don't put in. But it is all elementary. We all have seen professionals putting in nowhere near enough effort to win. If you want to call one situation of "I don't give a crap" better than another because in one the guy happened to put in more effort at HIDING the fact that he wasn't putting in any effort to WIN, than I find that to be hypocritical. I can totally see where he is coming with the assertion that this is based on bandwagon reactions by GOM. Do you really think if everyone thought it was brilliant and hilarious that they would have not only banned the guy, but would have insulted him personally? No. I seriously doubt that they would. Maybe I'm wrong though... never know these days. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
It was equally unprofessional to call Naniwa a mercenary --- but the suspension itself is more than warranted. | ||
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