EPTAre GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem? - Page 10
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Keyboard Warrior
United States1178 Posts
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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rushian
United Kingdom568 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:06 skyrunner wrote: Funny how you bring up a real world and established sport in your first paragraph, then completely ignore that in your last paragraph. In real world sports the rules of conduct are very clear. Just as rules should be. That's the reason rules exist in the first place. Yes, sometimes it's up to interpretation and rules are more "open", but it is not good for rules to be unclear on purpose just so "we can do whatever we want". I would say it is pretty good if the players know what can or can't do, and what the punishment is when they break the rules. They aren't clear, they're just the same. Luis Suarez is currently charged with "abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour", it's pretty much the same as the GOM rule. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:25 radu_c wrote: I hope Naniwa and whoever else with similar attitude get kicked out of Korea and the scene. These people are a disgrace for progaming. I have never seen Boxer or White-Ra treating any game in public as meaningless and throwing them away like that. So, people react different in certain situations. Would you also ban teams in various different sporting-events that run their "B-team" in events were they have already advanced in the tournament or have been eliminated? Or a team that is way behind and loses morality and stops trying at a certain time during a match? Or players like Stephano, for not attending the MLG or whatever tournament, cuz he thought it wasn't worth it? Or ppl who concede a game before every building is eliminated? See how ridiculous your statement is, unless you're not talking about humans, but robots? Get real - stuff like that happens, it's a part of sports actually and shows how emitionally attached players are to this game. How can you ban sm1 from your tournament, because he was utterly demoralized after a loss, especially with a player like Naniwa, who, which I've heard from various sources, absolutely hates loosing and has a hard time dealing with not performing amazing. And the last game didn't even matter! I would've probably done sth. similar and a player like White-Ra or Boxer might've thought "let's at least give a good show", but that's just different ppl reacting to different situations? Think about what Idra would've done in that Situation: I doub't he would've even gotten into the booth! ^^' | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
What else is similar to GOMs way of dealing with things? Yes, all major sports. If you would throw a game away (in a silly obvious way) in soccer then Uefa / Fifa would step in and do something about it. Same goes if you would be involved in Match fixing ( As seen in Serie A, The highest Italian soccer league. Juventus got involved in matchi fixing and some other dirty stuff and they got demoted to Serie B). It's just professional behavior from GOM and they want to set a standard for esport. Keep it up GOM! Hopefully Naniwa can learn from this behavious. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:36 JoeAWESOME wrote: I dont see it as a problem. They want professionalism in their games and they dont accept Match-fixing, throwing away games and unprofessional behavior. What else is similar to GOMs way of dealing with things? Yes, all major sports. If you would throw a game away (in a silly obvious way) in soccer then Uefa / Fifa would step in and do something about it. Same goes if you would be involved in Match fixing ( As seen in Serie A, The highest Italian soccer league. Juventus got involved in matchi fixing and some other dirty stuff and they got demoted to Serie B). It's just professional behavior from GOM and they want to set a standard for esport. Keep it up GOM! Hopefully Naniwa can learn from this behavious. It's something completely different if the match would've meant something... anything at all. but it didn't. It's not unprofessional, but it's IMHO rather professional and pragmatic to forfeit such a game: - You have more time to rest - You are less exhausted with 1 game less played on stage - You don't have to reveal a certain strategy/playstyle | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:35 kickinhead wrote: So, people react different in certain situations. Would you also ban teams in various different sporting-events that run their "B-team" in events were they have already advanced in the tournament or have been eliminated? This is different, It's common to use players that haven't played too much in games that doesent matter. It happends in all sports and even in the GSTL. You use players that have talent when you know that you have won the game / the game is meaningless. The players who are playing the game, lets say it's soccer, are still trying their best to win the game. Naniwa did not do his best preformance and just threw the game away. It's like serving purposely in the net in Tennis so you can lose the game fast. Why would you try? The game is useless. No! You always try your best and put on a show. For the audience, the sponsors, the oponent, the tournament organizer and most importently, for yourself! | ||
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Malkavian183
Turkey227 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:39 kickinhead wrote: It's something completely different if the match would've meant something... anything at all. but it didn't. It's not unprofessional, but it's IMHO rather professional and pragmatic to forfeit such a game: - You have more time to rest - You are less exhausted with 1 game less played on stage - You don't have to reveal a certain strategy/playstyle if you are a normal player sitting at home wanting to continue laddering and lose the match then yeah. but if you are professional player whom people are paying to watch ... then hell no! | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
But has someone the game replay or a link to a vid so I can see wy exactly he was banned ?! | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:39 kickinhead wrote: It's something completely different if the match would've meant something... anything at all. but it didn't. It's not unprofessional, but it's IMHO rather professional and pragmatic to forfeit such a game: - You have more time to rest - You are less exhausted with 1 game less played on stage - You don't have to reveal a certain strategy/playstyle - You have more time to rest You have more time to rest? We're talking about 5-10 min. He could have done a 4gate and it would have been okey. As long as he would have done something reasonable. - You are less exhausted with 1 game less played on stage It's not a physical sport, it's a mental sport yes. But if Naniwa would have done a 2 proxy gate, cannon rush, 4 gate it would not have been exhausting for him. It would have been a valid strategy, a cheesy one yes, but still a valid one. You always put up a fight in a game. Even though it can be in a gimmicky way. - You don't have to reveal a certain strategy/playstyle[ I dont think I need to answer this, check previous answer | ||
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Kerm
France467 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:36 JoeAWESOME wrote: I dont see it as a problem. They want professionalism in their games and they dont accept Match-fixing, throwing away games and unprofessional behavior. What else is similar to GOMs way of dealing with things? Yes, all major sports. If you would throw a game away (in a silly obvious way) in soccer then Uefa / Fifa would step in and do something about it. Same goes if you would be involved in Match fixing ( As seen in Serie A, The highest Italian soccer league. Juventus got involved in matchi fixing and some other dirty stuff and they got demoted to Serie B). It's just professional behavior from GOM and they want to set a standard for esport. Keep it up GOM! Hopefully Naniwa can learn from this behavious. Oh come on with your Swedish bias !! ... Oh wait.  | ||
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Apolex
Canada103 Posts
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:45 Kerm wrote: Oh come on with your Swedish bias !! ... Oh wait. As long as he's not American(Like Stephano  ) (I have nothing against people from NA. just bashing France a bit)Again, Hopefully Naniwa learn something from this. He can't keep doing this if he wants to be accepted in the professional scene. Then again you can argue that GOM should not put up matches that are meaningless.... Gom could have added a 100$ price to the winner of the game, they could have given GSL points for the ranking or w/e... | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:16 Candide wrote: Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims.. Choya Ladder fixing Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0 What happened to them Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests.. They broke rules that were there..... matchfixing and ladder rules. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
naniwa/nestea's match was pretty much exhibition game at that point. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
gom is just being as unprofessional about this as they possibly can which is not helping e-sports the way they want it to they want to make everything super-professional but invite their players completely randomly instead of just holding qualifiers like 1 US and 1 in EU or something like that and they ban players because of bad behaviour and making complete nonsense rules just to be professional when it really only would be professional if they had something like this stated publicly so that everyone knows he will get punished if he does shit and if he does it anywas he'll get banned | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
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rontol
71 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:32 ninjamyst wrote: please stop these threads...the top 5 threads in this forum is about naniwa... You angry? You can't stop hundreds/thousands ppl who don't like his action Same goes to who support him. What all need to understand is there was a culture/dogma/hidden rule in SC that Nani has broken in KR when he throws away that match | ||
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
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