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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:56:33
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#561
On December 14 2011 18:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:52 KeksX wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

Rain got banned for basically screwing the whole scheduling and group thing in a GSL by just leaving without giving a notice in a reasonable time.

Choya did get banned for the GSTL, yes, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as losing your code s spot for a season. And It's not even given that he gets his code S spot back.

On December 14 2011 18:51 KingPaddy wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote:
So let me get this straight...

If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine.
If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league.
And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible

Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision.

@Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans.


And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL..

It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc.


Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated.


Right, I've forgotten that.


rain didn't screw anything. he just didn't show up. that had no effect on the schedule. they proceeded as usual.


There was this whole conversation about "how much had to be improvised"(but I don't think it was actually that much) and how Gomtv had to come up with a solution and that they weren't happy with that. Thats what I meant with screwed because basically when this kind of stuff happens and you have little to no time the solution you'll come up with won't be the best, and that pretty much happened.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#562
On December 14 2011 18:54 HOTSLocusT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:33 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Gom giving out free code S without a competition
players like Hero/Puma/sase have to qualify while sen which has 0 acheivements at MLG or GSL gets in code S without a reason.
A small case can be made for Idra as he did well in MLG

And Naniwa which qualified and just due to a probe rush has lost his GSL spot... In the future no cannon rush/4gate/6pool can be done as it is inappropriate and has too low chance of winning?? WTF GOM...



Koreans take their SC as a very serious sport/entertainment. Nani pretty much spat in their face. We still view it differently cause its not as serious a sport to us yet. Different culters \(-.-)/


But then again GOM spat in their face too by inviting players to Code S based on popularity.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#563
On December 14 2011 18:53 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:52 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:
GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join

yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging

GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity.


Actually unless I am mistaken if you are top 8? You get seeded directly into the next OSL. I could be wrong but I remember jaedong not having to qualify for an OSL (might have been MSL) for a long time due to how far he made it each time.

and how do you think top8 or even top16 is considered free, when its the most stacked tournament?
Stork[gm]
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
December 14 2011 09:56 GMT
#564
On December 14 2011 18:53 Mycl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.

It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch.



Yes their popularity is ONE good reason for an invite but there is plenty more. Idra previously being apart of Code S, in Korea at the moment for the up and downs and maybe due to time constraints a mini tournament was not plausible?

Keep posting with that one track mind thou


They have two weeks off after the Up-and-Down tournament. Also why does it matter if Idra was apart of Code S eight months ago? Code S has gotten better and better each season. Most of the players that were in Code S when Idra was around are now either in Code A or out of the GSL entirely.

If a mini tournament wasn't possible, they could have just given an extra spot in the Up-and-Downs. Idra and Sen were invited due to popularity and their gigantic fanbase. If they wanted to give Naniwa's spot to someone more deserving, they should have asked Huk and Haypro, both who were higher than Idra at MLG Providence.
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zuperketla
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway212 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#565
how the fuck can they just ban naniwa like that? its their fault he just threw the game - learn from your mistakes - dont just ban and go on.
heyho
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:57:32
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#566
Bottom line, Naniwa was stupid for doing what he did. GOM is equally stupid for taking away Nani's Code S spot without any legal ground to stand on. However, if that's what Korean culture dictates, I'm not one to take a dump on that. I'll keep my opinions about that to myself. No one wins here, except for Idra (somewhat justified, since he left GSL as a Code S player) and Sen (completely unjustified).
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:58:03
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#567
On December 14 2011 18:46 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they madeCode S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

If that is the direct quote, I am officially pissed off at GOM. I've stood by them and bought every single pass since the first GSL.

But I won't be buying anymore. And it's off to the pirates I go.

They could not have misinterpreted NaNiwa's attitude more. Prize money hunter? NaNiwa has made it very clear that he doesn't give one shit about prize money.


Yeah, how dare they enforce their rules on a disrespectful player, what a fucking joke. I'll keep buying, happily knowing that a disrespectful, bad mannered player is out of the GSL.

If they didn't act now, there would have probably been more disrespectful antics by NaNiwa in the GSL.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:57:45
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#568
On December 14 2011 18:56 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:53 blade55555 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:52 bgx wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:
GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join

yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging

GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity.


Actually unless I am mistaken if you are top 8? You get seeded directly into the next OSL. I could be wrong but I remember jaedong not having to qualify for an OSL (might have been MSL) for a long time due to how far he made it each time.

and how do you think top8 or even top16 is considered free, when its the most stacked tournament?


I never said it was free, but you made it sound like Flash/JD have to re qualify every time. That is what I read from your post and I didn't want anyone thinking that when if you place top 8 or something you don't have to qualify from the bottom again.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#569
they gave idra the spot = more american viewer = maybe buy a ticket
JANGBI never forget
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#570
On December 14 2011 18:53 Seeker wrote:
From This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711

T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate[ issue.

WTF? What does that mean? Most paying team or player with a lot of fans get a spot?
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:59:12
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#571
Like I was saying the night before, it's good gom is standing up for themselves and making Starcraft II the professional 'Esport' we're striving to make it to be. Every human who cares about esports should be in agreement of this to show the validity of emphasis of our entertainment sport to the world.

Edit: And for those saying they're no longer buying GSL, I'm personally purchasing premium instead of light simply to support their cause. This is their tournament, and they're trying to make Starcraft a recognizable and accurate competition.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#572
On December 14 2011 18:56 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:52 KeksX wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

Rain got banned for basically screwing the whole scheduling and group thing in a GSL by just leaving without giving a notice in a reasonable time.

Choya did get banned for the GSTL, yes, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as losing your code s spot for a season. And It's not even given that he gets his code S spot back.

On December 14 2011 18:51 KingPaddy wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote:
So let me get this straight...

If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine.
If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league.
And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible

Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision.

@Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans.


And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL..

It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc.


Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated.


Right, I've forgotten that.


rain didn't screw anything. he just didn't show up. that had no effect on the schedule. they proceeded as usual.


There was this whole conversation about "how much had to be improvised"(but I don't think it was actually that much) and how Gomtv had to come up with a solution and that they weren't happy with that. Thats what I meant with screwed because basically when this kind of stuff happens and you have little to no time the solution you'll come up with won't be the best, and that pretty much happened.


no there wasn't. they simply got someone to replace his spot.
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#573
On December 14 2011 18:54 Logros wrote:
WHAT THE F&$@&(*@! I'm glad that Idra got Code S but if they kicked Naniwa out for a meaningless game and something that isn't in the rules... They should kick out Nestea as well for that game against HuK and probably a ton of other players.


Probably sportsmanship or something along the lines is actually in the rules.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 09:58:13
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#574
On December 14 2011 18:53 Seeker wrote:
From This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711

T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate issue.

Quoted so this doesn't get lost.

Edit:Congrats to Idra and Sen, hopefully you guys tear it up.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#575
On December 14 2011 18:54 baoluvboa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:53 integral wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:50 baoluvboa wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:50 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted.


it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2.



Sweet, still won't change the fact that this will be one of the stupidest thing i've seen done in E-sports yet. Other sc2 pros have done things much worse, and ironically enough Naniwa get's the worst treatment for not giving it his all in a game that didn't mean shit. at all.


Examples specifically in Korea?

Deliberate matchfixing between coca and byun, for example.


And they were punished by the teams. Another thing was that the partnership between ESL and GOM was not verified by GOM so GOM was not the authority in handing out the punishment before their teams.


Gom 100% could have banned them from GSL, they also could have banned Choya from GSL when he cheated but all they gave him was a slap on the wrist in the form of the gstl ban.
Lior
Profile Joined September 2010
Portugal118 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#576
On December 14 2011 18:54 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:51 aderum wrote:
Yeah I'm glad I didnt buy the year thing now. Not gonna support them with money now.


Well, for me it is the opposite: I will buy the year thing now. GOM shows that they are a professional organisation, and I really like that.


Yup, very professional, if they do this, they basically kick someone because of mistakes THEY made (bad format), where the player violated no RULE of theirs.

Very, very professional. Yup. Can't wait till someone gets banned for saying 'ppp'.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
December 14 2011 09:57 GMT
#577
On December 14 2011 18:54 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:51 Designakrobat wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:46 DoomsVille wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they madeCode S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

If that is the direct quote, I am officially pissed off at GOM. I've stood by them and bought every single pass since the first GSL.

But I won't be buying anymore. And it's off to the pirates I go.

They could not have misinterpreted NaNiwa's attitude more. Prize money hunter? NaNiwa has made it very clear that he doesn't give one shit about prize money.

Are you stupid enough to believe that he doesn't give a shit about the Money? Come on, you can't be serious....


The man went from coL to Quantic just because he didn't like them.
Nani has a lot of pride stubbornness arrogance and motivation that separates him from the average man.


he admited that he went to quantic for money also? quit pretending like you know the guy personally
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#578
The stupidity in this thread is amazing.

Naniwa acted retarded, in a korean studio, in korea, where they take BM and so really seroiusly. He was tought a lession, and was banned only for a single season.

Are you kidding me ppl? Are you really that stupid? He cannot play for a month.
OMG I BETTER QUIT MY SUBSCRIPTION

Really?

What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#579
On December 14 2011 18:56 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:54 HOTSLocusT wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:33 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Gom giving out free code S without a competition
players like Hero/Puma/sase have to qualify while sen which has 0 acheivements at MLG or GSL gets in code S without a reason.
A small case can be made for Idra as he did well in MLG

And Naniwa which qualified and just due to a probe rush has lost his GSL spot... In the future no cannon rush/4gate/6pool can be done as it is inappropriate and has too low chance of winning?? WTF GOM...



Koreans take their SC as a very serious sport/entertainment. Nani pretty much spat in their face. We still view it differently cause its not as serious a sport to us yet. Different culters \(-.-)/


But then again GOM spat in their face too by inviting players to Code S based on popularity.


I don't understand why GOM loves the foreigners so much when there are so many good players like Puma who have won major international tourneys and not have a spot.
Free Code A and Up and down spots were already pushing it.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#580
On December 14 2011 18:57 zuperketla wrote:
how the fuck can they just ban naniwa like that? its their fault he just threw the game - learn from your mistakes - dont just ban and go on.

Well, at least it's just for a season. The next thing they should announce is that he at least keeps his code S spot or gets a new one the season he comes back.
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