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On December 14 2011 18:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:52 KeksX wrote:On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned. Rain got banned for basically screwing the whole scheduling and group thing in a GSL by just leaving without giving a notice in a reasonable time. Choya did get banned for the GSTL, yes, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as losing your code s spot for a season. And It's not even given that he gets his code S spot back. On December 14 2011 18:51 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote:
So let me get this straight...
If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine.
If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league.
And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible
Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision. @Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans. And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL.. It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc. Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated. Right, I've forgotten that. rain didn't screw anything. he just didn't show up. that had no effect on the schedule. they proceeded as usual.
There was this whole conversation about "how much had to be improvised"(but I don't think it was actually that much) and how Gomtv had to come up with a solution and that they weren't happy with that. Thats what I meant with screwed because basically when this kind of stuff happens and you have little to no time the solution you'll come up with won't be the best, and that pretty much happened.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 HOTSLocusT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:33 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Gom giving out free code S without a competition
players like Hero/Puma/sase have to qualify while sen which has 0 acheivements at MLG or GSL gets in code S without a reason.
A small case can be made for Idra as he did well in MLG
And Naniwa which qualified and just due to a probe rush has lost his GSL spot... In the future no cannon rush/4gate/6pool can be done as it is inappropriate and has too low chance of winning?? WTF GOM...
Koreans take their SC as a very serious sport/entertainment. Nani pretty much spat in their face. We still view it differently cause its not as serious a sport to us yet. Different culters \(-.-)/
But then again GOM spat in their face too by inviting players to Code S based on popularity.
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On December 14 2011 18:53 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:52 bgx wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join  yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity. Actually unless I am mistaken if you are top 8? You get seeded directly into the next OSL. I could be wrong but I remember jaedong not having to qualify for an OSL (might have been MSL) for a long time due to how far he made it each time.
and how do you think top8 or even top16 is considered free, when its the most stacked tournament?
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On December 14 2011 18:53 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.
I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.
It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch. Yes their popularity is ONE good reason for an invite but there is plenty more. Idra previously being apart of Code S, in Korea at the moment for the up and downs and maybe due to time constraints a mini tournament was not plausible? Keep posting with that one track mind thou
They have two weeks off after the Up-and-Down tournament. Also why does it matter if Idra was apart of Code S eight months ago? Code S has gotten better and better each season. Most of the players that were in Code S when Idra was around are now either in Code A or out of the GSL entirely.
If a mini tournament wasn't possible, they could have just given an extra spot in the Up-and-Downs. Idra and Sen were invited due to popularity and their gigantic fanbase. If they wanted to give Naniwa's spot to someone more deserving, they should have asked Huk and Haypro, both who were higher than Idra at MLG Providence.
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how the fuck can they just ban naniwa like that? its their fault he just threw the game - learn from your mistakes - dont just ban and go on.
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Bottom line, Naniwa was stupid for doing what he did. GOM is equally stupid for taking away Nani's Code S spot without any legal ground to stand on. However, if that's what Korean culture dictates, I'm not one to take a dump on that. I'll keep my opinions about that to myself. No one wins here, except for Idra (somewhat justified, since he left GSL as a Code S player) and Sen (completely unjustified).
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On December 14 2011 18:46 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they madeCode S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " If that is the direct quote, I am officially pissed off at GOM. I've stood by them and bought every single pass since the first GSL. But I won't be buying anymore. And it's off to the pirates I go. They could not have misinterpreted NaNiwa's attitude more. Prize money hunter? NaNiwa has made it very clear that he doesn't give one shit about prize money.
Yeah, how dare they enforce their rules on a disrespectful player, what a fucking joke. I'll keep buying, happily knowing that a disrespectful, bad mannered player is out of the GSL.
If they didn't act now, there would have probably been more disrespectful antics by NaNiwa in the GSL.
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On December 14 2011 18:56 bgx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:53 blade55555 wrote:On December 14 2011 18:52 bgx wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity. Actually unless I am mistaken if you are top 8? You get seeded directly into the next OSL. I could be wrong but I remember jaedong not having to qualify for an OSL (might have been MSL) for a long time due to how far he made it each time. and how do you think top8 or even top16 is considered free, when its the most stacked tournament?
I never said it was free, but you made it sound like Flash/JD have to re qualify every time. That is what I read from your post and I didn't want anyone thinking that when if you place top 8 or something you don't have to qualify from the bottom again.
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they gave idra the spot = more american viewer = maybe buy a ticket
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On December 14 2011 18:53 Seeker wrote:From This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate[ issue.
WTF? What does that mean? Most paying team or player with a lot of fans get a spot?
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Like I was saying the night before, it's good gom is standing up for themselves and making Starcraft II the professional 'Esport' we're striving to make it to be. Every human who cares about esports should be in agreement of this to show the validity of emphasis of our entertainment sport to the world.
Edit: And for those saying they're no longer buying GSL, I'm personally purchasing premium instead of light simply to support their cause. This is their tournament, and they're trying to make Starcraft a recognizable and accurate competition.
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On December 14 2011 18:56 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 14 2011 18:52 KeksX wrote:On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned. Rain got banned for basically screwing the whole scheduling and group thing in a GSL by just leaving without giving a notice in a reasonable time. Choya did get banned for the GSTL, yes, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as losing your code s spot for a season. And It's not even given that he gets his code S spot back. On December 14 2011 18:51 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote:
So let me get this straight...
If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine.
If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league.
And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible
Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision. @Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans. And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL.. It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc. Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated. Right, I've forgotten that. rain didn't screw anything. he just didn't show up. that had no effect on the schedule. they proceeded as usual. There was this whole conversation about "how much had to be improvised"(but I don't think it was actually that much) and how Gomtv had to come up with a solution and that they weren't happy with that. Thats what I meant with screwed because basically when this kind of stuff happens and you have little to no time the solution you'll come up with won't be the best, and that pretty much happened.
no there wasn't. they simply got someone to replace his spot.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 Logros wrote:
WHAT THE F&$@&(*@! I'm glad that Idra got Code S but if they kicked Naniwa out for a meaningless game and something that isn't in the rules... They should kick out Nestea as well for that game against HuK and probably a ton of other players.
Probably sportsmanship or something along the lines is actually in the rules.
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On December 14 2011 18:53 Seeker wrote:From This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate issue.
Quoted so this doesn't get lost.
Edit:Congrats to Idra and Sen, hopefully you guys tear it up.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:53 integral wrote:On December 14 2011 18:50 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:50 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted. it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2. Sweet, still won't change the fact that this will be one of the stupidest thing i've seen done in E-sports yet. Other sc2 pros have done things much worse, and ironically enough Naniwa get's the worst treatment for not giving it his all in a game that didn't mean shit. at all. Examples specifically in Korea? Deliberate matchfixing between coca and byun, for example. And they were punished by the teams. Another thing was that the partnership between ESL and GOM was not verified by GOM so GOM was not the authority in handing out the punishment before their teams.
Gom 100% could have banned them from GSL, they also could have banned Choya from GSL when he cheated but all they gave him was a slap on the wrist in the form of the gstl ban.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:51 aderum wrote:
Yeah I'm glad I didnt buy the year thing now. Not gonna support them with money now. Well, for me it is the opposite: I will buy the year thing now. GOM shows that they are a professional organisation, and I really like that.
Yup, very professional, if they do this, they basically kick someone because of mistakes THEY made (bad format), where the player violated no RULE of theirs.
Very, very professional. Yup. Can't wait till someone gets banned for saying 'ppp'.
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On December 14 2011 18:54 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:51 Designakrobat wrote:On December 14 2011 18:46 DoomsVille wrote:On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they madeCode S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " If that is the direct quote, I am officially pissed off at GOM. I've stood by them and bought every single pass since the first GSL. But I won't be buying anymore. And it's off to the pirates I go. They could not have misinterpreted NaNiwa's attitude more. Prize money hunter? NaNiwa has made it very clear that he doesn't give one shit about prize money. Are you stupid enough to believe that he doesn't give a shit about the Money? Come on, you can't be serious.... The man went from coL to Quantic just because he didn't like them. Nani has a lot of pride stubbornness arrogance and motivation that separates him from the average man.
he admited that he went to quantic for money also? quit pretending like you know the guy personally
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The stupidity in this thread is amazing.
Naniwa acted retarded, in a korean studio, in korea, where they take BM and so really seroiusly. He was tought a lession, and was banned only for a single season.
Are you kidding me ppl? Are you really that stupid? He cannot play for a month.
OMG I BETTER QUIT MY SUBSCRIPTION
Really?
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On December 14 2011 18:56 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:54 HOTSLocusT wrote:On December 14 2011 18:33 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Gom giving out free code S without a competition
players like Hero/Puma/sase have to qualify while sen which has 0 acheivements at MLG or GSL gets in code S without a reason.
A small case can be made for Idra as he did well in MLG
And Naniwa which qualified and just due to a probe rush has lost his GSL spot... In the future no cannon rush/4gate/6pool can be done as it is inappropriate and has too low chance of winning?? WTF GOM...
Koreans take their SC as a very serious sport/entertainment. Nani pretty much spat in their face. We still view it differently cause its not as serious a sport to us yet. Different culters \(-.-)/ But then again GOM spat in their face too by inviting players to Code S based on popularity.
I don't understand why GOM loves the foreigners so much when there are so many good players like Puma who have won major international tourneys and not have a spot.
Free Code A and Up and down spots were already pushing it.
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On December 14 2011 18:57 zuperketla wrote:
how the fuck can they just ban naniwa like that? its their fault he just threw the game - learn from your mistakes - dont just ban and go on.
Well, at least it's just for a season. The next thing they should announce is that he at least keeps his code S spot or gets a new one the season he comes back.
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