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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#521
On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted.


it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2.


Yeah, for about a year tops until OGN shows them what's up.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#522
Well, I didn't like watching StarCraft at 4:30 AM anyways. Bye GOM.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#523
On December 14 2011 18:51 Designakrobat wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:46 DoomsVille wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they madeCode S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

If that is the direct quote, I am officially pissed off at GOM. I've stood by them and bought every single pass since the first GSL.

But I won't be buying anymore. And it's off to the pirates I go.

They could not have misinterpreted NaNiwa's attitude more. Prize money hunter? NaNiwa has made it very clear that he doesn't give one shit about prize money.

Are you stupid enough to believe that he doesn't give a shit about the Money? Come on, you can't be serious....


To be honest, this is what i think also. There is no way he is playing this game at the level he is and with that dedication, without doing it for the money.

No matter what he has stated before.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
kobrakai
Profile Joined June 2011
175 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#524
On December 14 2011 18:43 Snowbear wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:41 integral wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:39 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:34 Jehct wrote:
GOM kicking Naniwa might be the worst response to this possible. If his 'offense' wasn't covered in the rules then it's a matter for the team to take up; this makes all parties look unprofessional and hurts the scene even more =/ No way I'll be buying another ticket if it's true.


no, what Gom did was the perfect response and I applaud them for taking such action. Starcraft is a professional game and we don't need attitudes and disrespect from people like Naniwa.

Just be glad he's not banned for life, as he would if he pulled the same stunt in any Esport in Korea aka sc1

this is wildly ignorant


Why? Isn't it time for esports to get a professional image? Naniwa can come back when he can act like an adult, like a professional.


Obviously never watched a game of football or rugby.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#525
On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:
GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join

yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging

GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#526
On December 14 2011 18:51 jarod wrote:
so.. can someone tell if nani is still code S or not?


He is not in code S, multiple tweets and one from Mr.chae himself. It is confirmed.
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Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#527
It's sad for naniwa as he is probably the one who would really give everything to get his seeding back...

On the other hand, even if this particular thing he did may or may not have been enough to tip the scales, his general attitude towards opponents, spectators, management is just not what it should be. Maybe this will change his ways, but looking back at previous events I feel like the odds aren't that great.
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
Maitolasi
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland441 Posts
December 14 2011 09:52 GMT
#528
Naniwa broke no rules so taking away his Code S spot would be really unprofessional.
Polarexia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States383 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#529
So unbelievably disappointed with Mr. Chae and Gom.
mitchf
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia4 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#530
this is great! goodluck idra. I hope you can work hard and earn youre spot as a top foreigner
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#531
How is calling Naniwa an "amateur prize money hunter" professional?
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#532
I'm out GOM, this was just stupid.

Nani, I'm terribly disappointed in you for not being more professional.

I'd preferred if IdrA/Sen qualified rightfully but I understand them accepting, GL to both of you!
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#533
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.

It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch.

Are you serious? You've said the same thing like 10 times in this thread alone. Stop spamming with the same nonsense. We get it.
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#534
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.

It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch.



Yes their popularity is ONE good reason for an invite but there is plenty more. Idra previously being apart of Code S, in Korea at the moment for the up and downs and maybe due to time constraints a mini tournament was not plausible?

Keep posting with that one track mind thou
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#535
On December 14 2011 18:50 baoluvboa wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:50 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted.


it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2.



Sweet, still won't change the fact that this will be one of the stupidest thing i've seen done in E-sports yet. Other sc2 pros have done things much worse, and ironically enough Naniwa get's the worst treatment for not giving it his all in a game that didn't mean shit. at all.


Examples specifically in Korea?

Deliberate matchfixing between coca and byun, for example.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#536
A better punishment would have been to just switch Idra and Naniwa in their GSL spots for January imo.
Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#537
On December 14 2011 18:49 Vandalman wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:45 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:43 Snowbear wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:41 integral wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:39 iky43210 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:34 Jehct wrote:
GOM kicking Naniwa might be the worst response to this possible. If his 'offense' wasn't covered in the rules then it's a matter for the team to take up; this makes all parties look unprofessional and hurts the scene even more =/ No way I'll be buying another ticket if it's true.


no, what Gom did was the perfect response and I applaud them for taking such action. Starcraft is a professional game and we don't need attitudes and disrespect from people like Naniwa.

Just be glad he's not banned for life, as he would if he pulled the same stunt in any Esport in Korea aka sc1

this is wildly ignorant


Why? Isn't it time for esports to get a professional image? Naniwa can come back when he can act like an adult, like a professional.


LOL, i'm guessing you've never seen any professional sport, because i can name literally thousands of professional athletes that make millions that act significantly worse than Nani did.


I can tell you that very few professionals throw their game like Nani did. I can think of a few and guess what they all got severely punished.

You cant throw a game like that in a professional environment.


He did a shitty strategy in a game that didn't mean shit. It's like someone being pissed that someone did try their hardest in a scrimmage after the season was over. It's like people getting mad that the NFL decides to play their 2nd or 3rd string players in the pre-season. It's obnoxious, one sided, and completely devoid of any thought. If they had any thought you'd think people would realize that Gom has let koreans get away with borderline match fixing and straight up cheating, but god forbid someone goes and doesn't try their hardest in a game that means nothing.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#538
On December 14 2011 18:52 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

Rain got banned for basically screwing the whole scheduling and group thing in a GSL by just leaving without giving a notice in a reasonable time.

Choya did get banned for the GSTL, yes, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as losing your code s spot for a season. And It's not even given that he gets his code S spot back.

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On December 14 2011 18:51 KingPaddy wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote:
So let me get this straight...

If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine.
If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league.
And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible

Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision.

@Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans.


And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL..

It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc.


Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated.


Right, I've forgotten that.


rain didn't screw anything. he just didn't show up. that had no effect on the schedule. they proceeded as usual.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#539
From This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711

T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate issue.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 14 2011 09:53 GMT
#540
On December 14 2011 18:52 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:
GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join

yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging

GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity.


Actually unless I am mistaken if you are top 8? You get seeded directly into the next OSL. I could be wrong but I remember jaedong not having to qualify for an OSL (might have been MSL) for a long time due to how far he made it each time.
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