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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread. |
On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted. it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2. Without question. I won't tolerate their authoritarian attitude however. Good luck to them.
Now i just need more Koreans to start streaming, especially Leenock. Also KSL is pretty awesome viewing.
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On December 14 2011 18:47 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:46 Goldfish wrote:On December 14 2011 18:41 KunA wrote: It all comes down to culture. A lot of us don't see it as a big deal. In Korea though things like respect, professionalism, and manner are seen in different ways. To us it didn't seem like a big deal it was a meaningless game and what not, its not a big deal to most. In Korea its a huge deal that he did that and didn't even try and I'm sure with Korean fans none of them would want NaNiWa in GSL for what he did and most importantly most of the players in GSL wouldn't want someone like that in GSL. Fact is GOM is a Korean run company and for all we know what he did may have broken a GSL rule and they can give him a punishment they seem fit with their standards and rules. If there was a rule that stated it, it can be enforced and we all have to agree with that (though we need to know what the rule states specifically). However if there was no rule it would be "unprofessional" for GOMTV themselves to ban Naniwa on the spot like that instead of giving a warning. And it would be even more unprofessional to ban the player and then replace him by handing out some random invites for the spots players are supposed to qualify for.
Youre not very objective are you? IdrA is a random invite?
Btw, according to the new format, 2 new players would be given seeds to the next season of code S. I agree that Sen is a little weird and hard to explain but IdrA is perfectly understandable - for both skill and marketing reasons.
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On December 14 2011 18:50 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted. it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2. Sweet, still won't change the fact that this will be one of the stupidest thing i've seen done in E-sports yet. Other sc2 pros have done things much worse, and ironically enough Naniwa get's the worst treatment for not giving it his all in a game that didn't mean shit. at all.
Examples specifically in Korea?
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I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.
I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.
It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch.
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On December 14 2011 18:48 Derity wrote: If all this Naniwa-stuff is true, GOM makes just only itself look bad. I agree with giving Naniwa a warning or a technical foul (reducing prize money or sth else). But disqualification for a thing which isn't even covered in the rules... no way.
After seeing all this hate I'm going to assume GOM is going to respond to this.
While I do agree a warning should be given, if there was a rule that explicitly stated you can't throw away games by worker rushing, GOM can't be fault for this. It is in their and the rule sort of serves as a warning (if there is a rule).
I like GOM but I think they may be overreacting a bit. I honestly not sure if they think this is a good PR move or not. A lot of Koreans seems to agree what Naniwa did was wrong which makes me think GOM is just following the masses in train of thought and thinks no one will disagree.
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The Naniwa issue is really bogus and i don't like GOM reaction one bit
but i don't care because Sen is in? oh yeah BW represent, show 'em SEN!
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On December 14 2011 18:45 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:43 Snowbear wrote:On December 14 2011 18:41 integral wrote:On December 14 2011 18:39 iky43210 wrote:On December 14 2011 18:34 Jehct wrote: GOM kicking Naniwa might be the worst response to this possible. If his 'offense' wasn't covered in the rules then it's a matter for the team to take up; this makes all parties look unprofessional and hurts the scene even more =/ No way I'll be buying another ticket if it's true. no, what Gom did was the perfect response and I applaud them for taking such action. Starcraft is a professional game and we don't need attitudes and disrespect from people like Naniwa. Just be glad he's not banned for life, as he would if he pulled the same stunt in any Esport in Korea aka sc1 this is wildly ignorant Why? Isn't it time for esports to get a professional image? Naniwa can come back when he can act like an adult, like a professional. LOL, i'm guessing you've never seen any professional sport, because i can name literally thousands of professional athletes that make millions that act significantly worse than Nani did.
When pros in NBA and NHL act unprofessionally, they get fined and banned for a few games for serious infractions. In this case, a fine won't do jack to Naniwa since Quantic will be paying it off on his behalf. So a ban is really the only punishment available (you really think a disciplinary warning will do anything to Naniwa?)
Anyhow, I'll sit back and see how severe the ban is. If it's only for 1 season I can get behind that since the Code S seed Nani got was an INVITE from MLG, not an qualification through Code A which he failed miserably. Any more than 1 season and it's harsher than needed.
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Mr Chae is doing a favor to the foreign community. It's a free lesson on professionalism and how acting like a spoiled child is just going to end up in troubles for you.
An frankly, Naniwa's record in Korea is abyssal, he's 1-12! GOM gave a free invite to an undeserving player, that player shit all over their event, and now, they are taking back the invite to give it to someone else. Idra may act on a similar way on foreign tournaments, but he was always a pro in GSL (and even when he 6pooled, he was one 5 health marine away from victory, you could say it was a risky yet appropriate strat).
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On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote: So let me get this straight...
If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine. If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league. And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible
Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision. @Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans. And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL.. It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc.
Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated.
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On December 14 2011 18:46 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they madeCode S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " If that is the direct quote, I am officially pissed off at GOM. I've stood by them and bought every single pass since the first GSL. But I won't be buying anymore. And it's off to the pirates I go. They could not have misinterpreted NaNiwa's attitude more. Prize money hunter? NaNiwa has made it very clear that he doesn't give one shit about prize money. Are you stupid enough to believe that he doesn't give a shit about the Money? Come on, you can't be serious....
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so.. can someone tell if nani is still code S or not?
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The Sen invite I question a little bit but I'm guessing they asked other players first. The IdrA invite completely makes sense to me. Whether you want to admit it or not he is one of the best foreign players and by being in Korea he could be the best. On top of that he left code S top 8 of GSL after Jan on really good terms so it makes sense to be invited back.
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Yeah I'm glad I didnt buy the year thing now. Not gonna support them with money now.
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On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote: I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned. Rain got banned for basically screwing the whole scheduling and group thing in a GSL by just leaving without giving a notice in a reasonable time.
Choya did get banned for the GSTL, yes, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as losing your code s spot for a season. And It's not even given that he gets his code S spot back.
Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:51 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:On December 14 2011 18:45 KingPaddy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:42 NuclearJudas wrote:On December 14 2011 18:37 KeksX wrote: So let me get this straight...
If you try to cheat/exploit the system to get into the GSL like Choya did, you basically have to apologize and eveything is fine. If you matchfix in games that actually matters for GSL, you get a "temp ban" by your team, not by the league. And if you proberush in a game that had no other purpose than to take place in a tournament not directly related to the GSL, you lose your whole progress in the GSL and get punished by the league in the hardest way possible
Sorry GOMTV, as much as I respect you, but I think you made the wrong decision. @Bolded part: Choya was actually banned from the first GSTL, after his ladder shenanigans. And in addition, for the 100000000th time: there was NO! Code A spot in the ESV tournament in that month. So it actually didn't matter for GSL.. It was still a meaningful game for the tournament and nothing like both 0-4 and duking it out for the 4th/3rd place, and even though there was no code a spot there was still money on the line iirc. Yeah.. but it had nothing to do with GSL, as you had stated. Right, I've forgotten that.
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The tweet says he is banned from Code S for season 1, but will he be allowed to play in Code A to make Code S season 2?
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On December 14 2011 18:51 jarod wrote: so.. can someone tell if nani is still code S or not?
Nope I don't know if the ban is only a season or more.
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Makes some sense to punish Nani, but the free spots seem a little over. Glad foreigners got it though. GL Gracken.
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Wow, this sucks, GSL just started streaming on Twitch and then they do something like this forcing me to boycott. I'll continue to look at the situation to see if it changes, or the information provided is wrong, but at the moment, bye GSL.
This just makes MLG look better to me, handling Naniwa's BM much more elegantly by not overreacting.
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As much as I completely disagree with what Naniwa did yesterday and feel he disrespected us all in acting the way he did, if Gom have removed his Code S spot then that is just a terrible terrible mistake and I think we as a community need to show what we think of this.
I purchased my annual ticket earlier this week, and I will do everything possible to get my money back if this turns out to be true.
It's a bad mistake.
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On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote: I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.
I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.
It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch.
Thats just it, GOMtv is a business. GSL desperate for cash? So is every other developing business. Sen is questionable but IdrA is deserving, its hard to argue otherwise.
Agreed on naniwa though, i dont mind that they banned him but its definitely really harsh.
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