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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#581
On December 14 2011 18:55 Grettin wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:54 Logros wrote:
WHAT THE F&$@&(*@! I'm glad that Idra got Code S but if they kicked Naniwa out for a meaningless game and something that isn't in the rules... They should kick out Nestea as well for that game against HuK and probably a ton of other players.


Comparing Nestea vs HuK and Naniwa vs Nestea is ridiculous lol.


Pretty much the opposite:

Nestea played silly to please the crowd. Nani played silly to get the fuck out of there.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Eineez
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden37 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#582
if there is a specific rule stating that "you can not probe rush" in a game, i can accept it. otherwise, gomtv can f*** off.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#583
On December 14 2011 18:50 Goibon wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:47 krews wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:45 Goibon wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:
Quoting something from other thread.

"On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. "

Ahh ok so it's official. Well, this GSL thing was fun while it lasted.


it will continue to be the best and most prestigious tournament of starcraft 2.

Without question. I won't tolerate their authoritarian attitude however. Good luck to them.

Now i just need more Koreans to start streaming, especially Leenock. Also KSL is pretty awesome viewing.


It's their league, they can do whatever they want with it and owe no obligation.

HOWEVER, with that being said, I don't like this decision AT ALL.

If they want to take the hardcore approach, ban Naniwa, I don't feel like they should, but it's definitely reasonable and they have the rights to do it.

But just handing out his Code S spots to Idra and Sen......they are good players, but I can't help but to feel they are just trying to capture foreign audience in a cheap way with this move.

It all makes sense: Huk is out of Code S at least for now, and they need some foreigners to fill the void so foreigners will watch the games. It used to be Naniwa, but now with him gone they need someone, and they pick Idra.

It's a cheap move, I LOVE Idra being in Code S. But its not fair at all.
similarion
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada10 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#584
That's a bold claim to say that they invited Idra and Sen due to popularity. Do you work for GOM? How are you so sure that's the reason?
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#585
On December 14 2011 18:55 Snowen wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:52 Angelbelow wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:50 Fionn wrote:
I'm fine with Naniwa getting banned for a season. That is a choice of Mr. Chae. Maybe too harsh, but at least it is line with other incidents where Rain and Choya both got banned.

I just don't get the Sen and Idra choices except THEY'RE POPULAR. WE WANT MORE TICKETS. PLEASE BUY. Haypro/Huk are more deserving for Naniwa's Providence spot. Higher ranked Koreans are more deserving for the extra invitation spot.

It just makes GSL look like they're desperate for cash/foreigners to watch.


Thats just it, GOMtv is a business. GSL desperate for cash? So is every other developing business. Sen is questionable but IdrA is deserving, its hard to argue otherwise.

Agreed on naniwa though, i dont mind that they banned him but its definitely really harsh.


The thing is with this move, GSL/Gom just proved they are a league that doesnt care about having the best players, they just want your money/viewers.


Trash response from you. Can you honestly say with a straight face that IdrA is deserving?
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 10:01:02
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#586
I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa.

From the original GSL thread

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496

Eligibility

- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.


So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL.


And non-meaningful games exists all the time in many competitions. Last weeks of NBA , NFL, EPL, MLB regular seasons? Between teams who cannot go to playoffs, who can't qualify for European Leagues but too high to get relegated?

You don't see the 12th and 13th team in the EPL who met during the last week stage a mass afternoon nap session in the field don't you? They still play for the fans. Of course they can save/rest their players and try less hard. But they still show up and present some semblance of a game to their fans and to respect the competition.
nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#587
I dont see the issue, Koreans get invites to foreigner tournies, and get seeded automatically really high, all the time. Idra and Sen are two of the best foreigners we have, they deserve a spot in Code S just like any Korean deserves a high seeded spot in some foreigner tournies




Nani getting kicked out is a totally different thing... Im not sure where i stand on it
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#588
Not sure how I feel about this. Watch too much SC2 anyways, maybe I'll cut back on Gom for a bit >.> Way too harsh on Nani.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#589
On December 14 2011 18:57 KiNGxXx wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:53 Seeker wrote:
From This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711

T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate[ issue.

WTF? What does that mean? Most paying team or player with a lot of fans get a spot?


IdrA and Sen has huge fanbases, so not suprisingly.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 14 2011 09:58 GMT
#590
Well a part of me can understand it since Idra never really lost his Code S spot, but rather gave it away. Still it seems a bit disrespectful to some of the more deserving (korean) players.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#591
On December 14 2011 18:39 Bulkers wrote:
Im against any kind of giving free spots in tournaments, Its ok in "Invitational" tournaments where everyone are invited, but if there is a tournament where most players need to qualify to play and you invite some people just because, then this is something I cannot understand.

I said almost same thing few months ago when like 5 foreigns were invited to code A, and they all get destroyed in 1st round so I guess there is some justice, and tbh I dont see Idra doing well in code S.

About possible Naniwa ban: I think he should be punished, but how big punishment should be I don't know, He needs to learn a lesson, thousand people watching, huge companies sponsoring players and events, its not a place to act like an unmature emotionally unstable badmanner and throw games even if they dont count. Hes already banned from ESL, he should also be banned from MLG since he trashtalk them on stage. Maybe he will learn to to think before act, or as I predicted months ago he will have no team that will want to sign with him, and he will have no big tournaments that will allow him to play.

He could get a fine or something, maybe -_-

On December 14 2011 18:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On December 14 2011 18:38 Fionn wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:36 Tachion wrote:
Ethan_Ahn Young-Hun. Ahn
NaNiwa is baned 2012 GSL codeS Season#1 Seed. so, GamaniaSen is coming! #GSL #SC2


Why Sen?

I...don't...get it. Why does Sen get the spot? Yes, he got third at NASL and Blizzcon. Why not, you know, Puma, the guy who WON NASL? Why not a top ranking Korean like Nada or Polt? Why not the guy who was behind Naniwa at Providence in Huk or Haypro?

Because it has to do with money and not the actual skill level of the players. The seeds have never gone to any Koreans because Gom wants to sell more season tickets. During NASL, the # of viewers super spiked during Sen's games. Sen is worth more money than Puma in terms of viewers

MMA got code S from MLG Anaheim IIRC?
MC got Code S from MLG Orlando.

HerO or Puma would be good seeds given DH and NASL.
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DrDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States107 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#592
Congrats to Idra!! Looking forward to seeing him play next season.
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#593
On December 14 2011 18:58 similarion wrote:
That's a bold claim to say that they invited Idra and Sen due to popularity. Do you work for GOM? How are you so sure that's the reason?

It makes the most sense to me. They are by far NOT the best players that are not already in Code S
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#594
Wait, there are two sponsored seeds...?

But the rest are filled by Up-and-Down/Code A/Top eight Code S. The two seeds were for MLG + Player whoever fit their criteria.

So who gets Naniwa's spot then?
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baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#595
On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:
I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa.

From the original GSL thread

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Show nested quote +

Eligibility

- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.


So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL.


Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#596
How much money did GOM possibly lose from having one of the most anticipated match-ups of the night get sabotaged by one of the players? What if Flash versus Jaedong came-up, and Flash basically quit and left. There is a kind of unspoken symbiosis where high level players do their best consistently in a tournament for a chance to earn some cash and in exchange the tournament can broadcast their play to try and make some money for themselves. By throwing a game, you directly attack the basic business strategy of GOMTV.

At least make it interesting for the viewers. But just throwing it away not only hurts the players reputation, it hurts the tournaments reputation as well. If viewers can't trust GOM to be able to provide entertaining content on a regular basis, they are going to look elsewhere. GOM can't allow this behavior to spread, plain and simple.
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
December 14 2011 09:59 GMT
#597
sorry but this is a fucking joke, he didn't break any rules. fuck you gom.
Gogo Grubby.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
December 14 2011 10:00 GMT
#598
On December 14 2011 18:59 Fionn wrote:
Wait, there are two sponsored seeds...?

But the rest are filled by Up-and-Down/Code A/Top eight Code S. The two seeds were for MLG + Player whoever fit their criteria.

So who gets Naniwa's spot then?


Remains to be seen.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
December 14 2011 10:00 GMT
#599
A suspension was definitely the right choice. People are saying IdrA forfeits meaningless games regularly but I can never see him doing it for a planned BROADCASTED grudge match. Seeing as its broadcasted it matters to all the viewers and makes GOM look bad. 100% standing behind GOM on this one.
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
December 14 2011 10:00 GMT
#600
Whaaaaat? Sponsor seeds?! What the fuck?? So EG have bought their way into Code S? :D Wooow wow wow
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
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