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On December 14 2011 18:45 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:44 Grettin wrote:Quoting something from other thread. "On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment. " Slowly the sith of SC are forming....Naniwa....Coca...Raaaaaaaiiin.......lured by the might of he who must not be named...
Savior? lol
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On December 14 2011 19:02 Hopelessnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:54 HOTSLocusT wrote:On December 14 2011 18:33 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Gom giving out free code S without a competition
players like Hero/Puma/sase have to qualify while sen which has 0 acheivements at MLG or GSL gets in code S without a reason.
A small case can be made for Idra as he did well in MLG
And Naniwa which qualified and just due to a probe rush has lost his GSL spot... In the future no cannon rush/4gate/6pool can be done as it is inappropriate and has too low chance of winning?? WTF GOM...
Koreans take their SC as a very serious sport/entertainment. Nani pretty much spat in their face. We still view it differently cause its not as serious a sport to us yet. Different culters \(-.-)/ Lets say a scenario whereby in the old GOM format whereby there could be a match for 1st and 2nd seeds for the group. If you win you play MVP if you lose you play me (a scrub). Then you 7 pool against Nestea because you feel you can never win unless you get an advantage. You wtill lose because Nestea is a god and then GSL tells you hey you threw that match, you are disqualified) is that deserved? This could happen because GOM shows they can ban anyone. In many competitions such as in WCG (according to SOTG), there were people throwing games to choose their opponents and they are not eliminated. NaNi threw the game and there was NO gain for him but he was banned. Your rebuttal may be that it is not in the rules but in the GSL rules, HERE throwing matches are also not in the rules. Hence i feel that banning NaNi is a very bad choice
Eligibility
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- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
The rule is pretty clear-cut to me
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The second to last point says:
"People who are deemed to lack the character to be a gamer by the organizers will be restricted from taking part"
Judging by Ethan Ahn's tweet though he's only banned for one season? Or it might just be because he's not entirely fluent in English and it reads like that.
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Im not sure if i should cry or laugh at this, a warning should have been enough. While i agree naniwas behavior was not the best the fault goes to the bad tournament format...
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On December 14 2011 18:59 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:39 Bulkers wrote:
Im against any kind of giving free spots in tournaments, Its ok in "Invitational" tournaments where everyone are invited, but if there is a tournament where most players need to qualify to play and you invite some people just because, then this is something I cannot understand.
I said almost same thing few months ago when like 5 foreigns were invited to code A, and they all get destroyed in 1st round so I guess there is some justice, and tbh I dont see Idra doing well in code S.
About possible Naniwa ban: I think he should be punished, but how big punishment should be I don't know, He needs to learn a lesson, thousand people watching, huge companies sponsoring players and events, its not a place to act like an unmature emotionally unstable badmanner and throw games even if they dont count. Hes already banned from ESL, he should also be banned from MLG since he trashtalk them on stage. Maybe he will learn to to think before act, or as I predicted months ago he will have no team that will want to sign with him, and he will have no big tournaments that will allow him to play. He could get a fine or something, maybe -_- Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 14 2011 18:38 Fionn wrote:On December 14 2011 18:36 Tachion wrote:
Ethan_Ahn Young-Hun. Ahn
NaNiwa is baned 2012 GSL codeS Season#1 Seed. so, GamaniaSen is coming! #GSL #SC2
Why Sen? I...don't...get it. Why does Sen get the spot? Yes, he got third at NASL and Blizzcon. Why not, you know, Puma, the guy who WON NASL? Why not a top ranking Korean like Nada or Polt? Why not the guy who was behind Naniwa at Providence in Huk or Haypro? Because it has to do with money and not the actual skill level of the players. The seeds have never gone to any Koreans because Gom wants to sell more season tickets. During NASL, the # of viewers super spiked during Sen's games. Sen is worth more money than Puma in terms of viewers MMA got code S from MLG Anaheim IIRC? MC got Code S from MLG Orlando. HerO or Puma would be good seeds given DH and NASL.
yea idk what is wrong with me tonight. I for some reason thought neural not working on massive was implemented in another thread. Maybe it's time for bed >.>
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On December 14 2011 19:03 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:01 Keeler wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. And non-meaningful games exists all the time in many competitions. Last weeks of NBA , NFL, EPL, MLB regular seasons? Between teams who cannot go to playoffs, who can't qualify for European Leagues but too high to get relegated? You don't see the 12th and 13th team in the EPL who met during the last week stage a mass afternoon nap session in the field don't you? They still play for the fans. Of course they can save/rest their players and try less hard. But they still show up and present some semblance of a game to their fans and to respect the competition. Boom, game over. How is that boom game over, naniwa offered some semblance of the game, just a short one. He could have just as easily 4 gated and noone would be saying shit, which is stupid.
It is very stupid but on Nani's part. Sit down and play for another 5 minutes and there is no issue but he had to go full retard
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On December 14 2011 19:01 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:59 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule. Ofc they have the right to ban people, it is their tournament, the question is if a proberush is enough to ban someone. I surely thnk that it isnt.
I think probe rush as protoss that involves 1-a your entire army and do zero micro is quite obvious what you're trying to do
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On December 14 2011 19:02 Deshkar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Interesting. I see a clash of asian cultures vs western ones again. For every viewer that turns away from the GSL , I pretty sure another like me, would stick to it even more. I value professionalism a lot and maybe cos I'm an asian as well , who knows. On another note, the two foreign spots are present in this current format of the GSL, so it's nothing unexpected.
Clash of cultures? It is just about money. Idra gives GOM more viewers than Naniwa. Hence they made a business decision.
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On December 14 2011 18:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:44 Testuser wrote:
Nani. This hopefully will make you pay attention to manners. Not when he has a stream of people telling him he did nothing wrong. This is why he doesn't change. He isn't reinforced for his awful behavior and he gets away with shit he shouldn't all the time.
Agreed, feels like we are spoiling him a tad.
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Hold up hold up, if Sen and IdrA's spots are both separate from Naniwa's release....who's getting Naniwa's spot? And who are the other two players that left GSL?
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On December 14 2011 19:03 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:00 Gezz wrote:
A suspension was definitely the right choice. People are saying IdrA forfeits meaningless games regularly but I can never see him doing it for a planned BROADCASTED grudge match. Seeing as its broadcasted it matters to all the viewers and makes GOM look bad. 100% standing behind GOM on this one. Naniwa is under no obligation to make GOM look good, nor is it his business to care about how they will look. If GOM is going to pick players based on which players they like the most and which players make them look good and bring them more money then that is a show, not a legitimate competition.
GOMTV has rules (albeit ambiguous) to argue that naniwa does have to make them look good. Recalling some of your posts in the past, its surprises me that you side with naniwa THIS heavily.
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I really hope they fix their shit format from this. If not, then we've learned nothing.
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On December 14 2011 19:03 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:01 aderum wrote:On December 14 2011 18:59 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule. Ofc they have the right to ban people, it is their tournament, the question is if a proberush is enough to ban someone. I surely thnk that it isnt. Jesus christ, it's not just about the fucking tactic he used.
bull it 100% is, naniwa just did a 4 gate, or a 6 gate timing, or any sort of stupid entirely all in build, this would be fine. But the problem was that he ended it early with a super all in cheese.
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On December 14 2011 19:03 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:01 Keeler wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. And non-meaningful games exists all the time in many competitions. Last weeks of NBA , NFL, EPL, MLB regular seasons? Between teams who cannot go to playoffs, who can't qualify for European Leagues but too high to get relegated? You don't see the 12th and 13th team in the EPL who met during the last week stage a mass afternoon nap session in the field don't you? They still play for the fans. Of course they can save/rest their players and try less hard. But they still show up and present some semblance of a game to their fans and to respect the competition. Boom, game over. How is that boom game over, naniwa offered some semblance of the game, just a short one. He could have just as easily 4 gated and noone would be saying shit, which is stupid.
You honestly believe a probe rush is the same as a 4gate? Come on, don't be ridiculous. A 4gate would be a semblance of a game. A probe rush then taking your hands off keyboard and mouse is not nearly the same thing.
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This certainly puts the grack amongst the pidgeons
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:02 Deshkar wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Interesting. I see a clash of asian cultures vs western ones again. For every viewer that turns away from the GSL , I pretty sure another like me, would stick to it even more. I value professionalism a lot and maybe cos I'm an asian as well , who knows. On another note, the two foreign spots are present in this current format of the GSL, so it's nothing unexpected. Clash of cultures? It is just about money. Idra gives GOM more viewers than Naniwa. Hence they made a business decision.
Naniwa's spot has nothing to do with Idra. Idra is getting a separate spot.
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Yup that's the Korean version of this :
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
You can disagree/agree whether what Naniwa did was ok or not but it is indeed up to GOM (according to their rules) to decide if what he did was fitting of a progamer.
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:03 Grettin wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 aderum wrote:On December 14 2011 18:59 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule. Ofc they have the right to ban people, it is their tournament, the question is if a proberush is enough to ban someone. I surely thnk that it isnt. Jesus christ, it's not just about the fucking tactic he used. bull it 100% is, naniwa just did a 4 gate, or a 6 gate timing, or any sort of stupid entirely all in build, this would be fine. But the problem was that he ended it early with a super all in cheese.
it is not a all in cheese its just straight up forfeiting the game
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On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community.
I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game.
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Wow gsl is just handing out code s spots rofl. Its starting to lose prestige when people don't even need to earn it ;/
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