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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread. |
On December 14 2011 19:01 Redox wrote:
It is just sad how much more important image is than actual gameplay. Image even gives respectively looses a player a code S spot. A sad day for competetive gaming imo.
Competitive gaming with prizemoney and all the glamour, is not possible with a bad image. Do you want to sponsor something unprofessional as a company? I don't think so. Image is VERY important.
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On December 14 2011 19:01 Whiteman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:33 LITTLEHEAD wrote:On December 14 2011 18:27 blade55555 wrote:On December 14 2011 18:27 LITTLEHEAD wrote:On December 14 2011 18:24 Snowbear wrote:On December 14 2011 18:17 Tommylew wrote:On December 14 2011 18:15 Snowbear wrote:
I don't understand why people think that nani doesn't deserve a kick out of the tournament. He didn't behave:
- "g" instead of "gg": I see this as a spit in the face
- probe rushing
In such a big tournament you just have to act professional, and he just can't. will you shut up you drama queen. he was rushing to leave game so did only one g by accident and he probe rushed because he was playign a meaningless game ina bullshit tournament structure.. hell in up and down games in regular season you dont play when you are already out... so whats the big deal. You don't just miss a g. Do you see a korean GSL player miss a g? No. The games are NEVER meaningless, the viewers always want a nice great match. If I was in charge I would make sure that this kid would never be allowed to participate in ANY tournament. not true, ive seen it happen on more than one occassion...typically followed by them retyping the full "gg" but regardless it does happen...and even if it didn't...its not a big deal. Idra has no gg'ed in GSL and it wasn't a problem. I understand the korean culture is different, but i feel without a doubt that if someone else had done it that they wouldn't have taken such harsh measures, especially for a game without meaning. Naniwa shouldn't have done what he did, but this is being blown out of proportion. That is wrong, Idra gg'd in GSL in every match I watched (which was all I believe). Don't know where you got he didn't gg in gsl lol. Pretty sure i remember him vs zenio or some other zerg, and he didn't gg. They even asked him why no gg and he made some smart-ass comment. Although this is the only one i can htink of, im almost certain there was another in his last GSL run. Regardless there deffinetly was atleast one...dont know where you where in that match Edit: Found the game, WAS vs Zenio, and it was from NASL, so i withdraw my statement until i can find an actual case idra has gg'd at every lan in sc2. online is a whole nother story
no, just from the recent tournaments i can remember dreamhack when he didnt gg so i think its enough ?
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United States22883 Posts
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
That is the most ridiculous rule ever.
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[QUOTE]On December 14 2011 18:57 KiNGxXx wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 14 2011 18:53 Seeker wrote:
From This thread: [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294711[/url]
T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate[ issue.
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You are wrong my friend. [url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_January/Code_S]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_January/Code_S[/url]
There are 2 spots for code S. And one of them was MLG seed. So only one left.
2 options -> Idra got the other code S spot and Sen is taking Naniwas place (cause of ban)
Idra got the code S spot and Sen got the spot from MVPsC has medical issues (kinda unfair regarding code A players)
Non of the above solutions are the best...
Thoughts on this?
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On December 14 2011 19:02 VikingKong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:00 Titorelli wrote:
Whaaaaat? Sponsor seeds?! What the fuck?? So EG have bought their way into Code S? :D Wooow wow wow Sponsor as in, GOM is sponsoring them into code S. Not as in, sponsors are buying a seed. Think before you post, Gamania (Sen's team) isn't that rich, if they were really up for sale, another team would have snapped it up. Calling it them sponsored seeds is to differentiate them from the other 2 foreign seeds into up and downs.
Yeah but then this means that GOM hands out Code S spots based on popularity instead of merit? Thats bullshit man!
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On December 14 2011 19:05 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:04 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:02 Deshkar wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Interesting. I see a clash of asian cultures vs western ones again. For every viewer that turns away from the GSL , I pretty sure another like me, would stick to it even more. I value professionalism a lot and maybe cos I'm an asian as well , who knows. On another note, the two foreign spots are present in this current format of the GSL, so it's nothing unexpected. Clash of cultures? It is just about money. Idra gives GOM more viewers than Naniwa. Hence they made a business decision. Naniwa's spot has nothing to do with Idra. Idra is getting a separate spot.
And still Idra only gets the spot because he generates viwers.
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:02 Deshkar wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Interesting. I see a clash of asian cultures vs western ones again. For every viewer that turns away from the GSL , I pretty sure another like me, would stick to it even more. I value professionalism a lot and maybe cos I'm an asian as well , who knows. On another note, the two foreign spots are present in this current format of the GSL, so it's nothing unexpected. Clash of cultures? It is just about money. Idra gives GOM more viewers than Naniwa. Hence they made a business decision.
can't you read? neither sen or idra took naniwa's spot. naniwa's ban was a separate decision
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Did Naniwa ever receive a Code S spot?
I mean, he got seeded into Code A and lost the first match.
The format of GSL says there are seeds for Code A, Code S and Up/Down. Who gets what?
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On December 14 2011 19:05 Jibba wrote:That is the most ridiculous rule ever.
Especially with its ambiguity.
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On December 14 2011 19:06 Lorizean wrote:
Did Naniwa ever receive a Code S spot?
I mean, he got seeded into Code A and lost the first match.
The format of GSL says there are seeds for Code A, Code S and Up/Down. Who gets what?
Naniwa had a code S spot because of GSL Providence. He finished 2nd but Leenock is already Code S
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On December 14 2011 19:05 ReachTheSky wrote:
Wow gsl is just handing out code s spots rofl. Its starting to lose prestige when people don't even need to earn it ;/
The new GSL format has 2 code S that are meant to be given out. So this has been in the works since GSL November. Its clear that you werent informed (neither was I before reading this thread) so take that information into consideration.
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On December 14 2011 19:06 Lorizean wrote:
Did Naniwa ever receive a Code S spot?
I mean, he got seeded into Code A and lost the first match.
The format of GSL says there are seeds for Code A, Code S and Up/Down. Who gets what?
MLG providence he got a code S spot.
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:03 Grettin wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 aderum wrote:On December 14 2011 18:59 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule. Ofc they have the right to ban people, it is their tournament, the question is if a proberush is enough to ban someone. I surely thnk that it isnt. Jesus christ, it's not just about the fucking tactic he used. bull it 100% is, naniwa just did a 4 gate, or a 6 gate timing, or any sort of stupid entirely all in build, this would be fine. But the problem was that he ended it early with a super all in cheese.
lol so sending all ur probe to a-move is cheese now too?
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On December 14 2011 19:05 Jibba wrote:That is the most ridiculous rule ever.
It was originally intended to keep the SC1 match fixers out, but it just applies in this situation too.
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Naniwa didnt break any rules ...
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On December 14 2011 18:57 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:56 bgx wrote:On December 14 2011 18:53 blade55555 wrote:On December 14 2011 18:52 bgx wrote:On December 14 2011 18:47 mordk wrote:GOM have secured one buyer in me. Some will leave, some will join  yes we get it its business, to bad the "competition" part is lagging GOM needs to step up their game otherwise they will never be seen as something even near OSL prestige when everyone included JD/Flash/Bisu have to earn their spots not given out on silver plate because they are "popular". It may sound like Korean Esports is really in a bad spot right now, if they have to turn their backs on equality/fairness and promote popularity. Actually unless I am mistaken if you are top 8? You get seeded directly into the next OSL. I could be wrong but I remember jaedong not having to qualify for an OSL (might have been MSL) for a long time due to how far he made it each time. and how do you think top8 or even top16 is considered free, when its the most stacked tournament? I never said it was free, but you made it sound like Flash/JD have to re qualify every time. That is what I read from your post and I didn't want anyone thinking that when if you place top 8 or something you don't have to qualify from the bottom again.
I know this is a minor detail, but I'm pretty sure it is top 4. MSL seeded more players. This is part of why the OSL had so few repeat champions and was considered so prestigious.
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:03 Grettin wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 aderum wrote:On December 14 2011 18:59 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule. Ofc they have the right to ban people, it is their tournament, the question is if a proberush is enough to ban someone. I surely thnk that it isnt. Jesus christ, it's not just about the fucking tactic he used. bull it 100% is, naniwa just did a 4 gate, or a 6 gate timing, or any sort of stupid entirely all in build, this would be fine. But the problem was that he ended it early with a super all in cheese.
You're missing the point. The tactic that he used (probe rush) is totally retarded. It has a 0% win rate. Whatever, who cares. The problem is that, by choosing the tactic, he's spitting in the face of every Korean progamer that wanted to get into the tournament. He's biting the hand that feeds (GOM). He made them look like idiots and caused them to lose face. THAT's the issue. If he had used any other tactic, like you said, then he would have been fine because at least he pretended to give a shit. But he didn't. And the Koreans (not just GOM) are FUCKING PISSED.
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On December 14 2011 19:04 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:03 Grettin wrote:On December 14 2011 19:01 aderum wrote:On December 14 2011 18:59 baoluvboa wrote:On December 14 2011 18:58 dtz wrote:I think technically, GOM has the right to ban Naniwa. From the original GSL thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
Eligibility
- You must be at least 12 years old.
- You must have your own Battle.net account.
- You must fill out the registration form on the website.
- You must be able to participate in the offline preliminaries.
- GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer.
So i guess GOM has deemed someone who do not give their best in all games to be unfit to be a gamer. This is also the rule that prevent Saviour and co from joining GSL. Wow good job finding this particular quote. It basically justifies their decision in term of Korean values for progamers' conducts and should be put in their website's rule. Ofc they have the right to ban people, it is their tournament, the question is if a proberush is enough to ban someone. I surely thnk that it isnt. Jesus christ, it's not just about the fucking tactic he used. bull it 100% is, naniwa just did a 4 gate, or a 6 gate timing, or any sort of stupid entirely all in build, this would be fine. But the problem was that he ended it early with a super all in cheese.
4/6 gates have a chance of winning and actually require effort. sending your probes (WHICH IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM DRONE RUSH ON STEPPES OF WAR) has a 0% chance of winning and is clearly just to get the fuck out of there as quickly as possible.
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basically whoever GOM likes and doesnt like gets to play in GSL
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On December 14 2011 19:05 Jibba wrote:That is the most ridiculous rule ever.
Hm care to explain why?
I think this rule was intentionally put there to prevent Saviour , Luxury , and Co from joining GSL. Don't you agree that these people who has lost all sense of sportmanship should not be allowed to join GSL even if it is not under KESPA?
Not saying what Naniwa did is anything close to the matchfixers. But the rule by itself is appropriate imo. Naniwa just happen to catch the lower spectrum of the rule probably.
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