EPT"dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously."
or he'll find his code S spot gone with the quickness too.
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
"dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously." or he'll find his code S spot gone with the quickness too. | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
Why? Its basically the same rule every business has, "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" Its GOMs league and they can do whatever the fuck they want. I for one am glad they are holding players to a high standard of professionalism. I think many westerners do not fully grasp the Korean culture of respect. I also am pretty sure Naniwa has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in Korea already. Being an asshole has consequences in life, imagine that. edit: apparently Idra and Sen's spots are not related to Naniwa's punishment so that whole deal needs to be dropped. | ||
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:08 Seeker wrote: Wasn't it confirmed that Nani was only banned for january? I'm not sure if it was but that's beside the point, banning him from january effectively takes his spot away and makes him go through the loopholes that it is to requalify for code s. So while it may only ban him from january even if he's lucky it will be a long time before he gets back in. It still doesn't answer the question of why Naniwa gets this rather large punishment and others get lessers for arguably much worse offenses. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:10 Lavi wrote: Idra is lucky mr.chae didn't see his tweet: "dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously." or he'll find his code S spot gone with the quickness too. Lol..... Classic IdrA statement | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:03 zestzorb wrote: Eligibility ... - GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer. The rule is pretty clear-cut to me That statement is so vague. Is idra 6 pooling after being down 2-1 more deserving to be a gamer? If you are late for a game does it make you fit to be a gamer (kyrix season 2) | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
Agreed. There should be clear rules about that is allowed and what isnt allowed. Otherwise people can just get randomly banned for things they didnt even know was punishable. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:08 Angelbelow wrote: It might sound that way to us gamers, but its in just about every sport. Many examples can be found where athletes do something detrimental enough to be suspended or fined (basically some form of punishment) from their respective leagues. Show me one major sports that have a rule stated in such a fashion as the one quoted above. "Fifa can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a soccer player" What does that even mean? At least be specific, these general rules just mean they can make it up as they go along. | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:07 Ace.Xile wrote: Yes Gom can do w.e. they want, that's not the argument. The bigger question is why does naniwa get banned and his spot taken away for not trying his hardest in a game that didn't matter, when people like byun, coca, choya, who either cheat or match fix, are only dealt with by slaps on the wrist (gstl ban) or team action and not Gom action. Gom could have banned all 3 of them from GSL just because, but they didn't and for some reason Naniwa for an arguably much lesser offense. I agree with you that Coca, Byun, and Choya should have been banned as well. But their misconduct happened outside GOM tournaments. Maybe that's why GOM didn't do anything about them. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:09 Fionn wrote: I don't see how Naniwa's leaving didn't correlate with Idra/Sen being invited. 8 spots to Code S quarter-finalists + 12 Code A winners + 10 Up-and-Down winners That's 30 spots. Then one for Naniwa due to MLG. That leaves one "sponsored seed" left. Which means Idra or Sen took Naniwa's spot, someone else from Code S is leaving, or there are now 33 players in Code S. Based on that tweet, it seems pretty clear that Sen got Naniwa's spot. | ||
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anzient
Denmark119 Posts
Now I'm not a fan of acting fake and keeping up appearances etc. But Naniwa needs to get over the rebel period and grow up. | ||
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Dr.Dragoon
United States1241 Posts
that's just how things work, fair or not | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:08 Angelbelow wrote: It might sound that way to us gamers, but its in just about every sport. Many examples can be found where athletes do something detrimental enough to be suspended or fined (basically some form of punishment) from their respective leagues. Except this case wasn't all that "detrimental". Before people compare this to other sports or other games, remember that his game had nothing at stake. No points, no money, nothing. It's like playing a Bo7 where the opponent has already won 4 matches (why play the last 3 games when the opponent already won)? I'm not saying what Naniwa did was right but this is no where as bad as people are making it out to be IMO. He should get a warning or something else rather than an outright ban and his Code S spot taken away. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:08 Talin wrote: GOM would still look good if they didn't make beginners' mistakes in designing their tournament format. Which posts specifically? As far as I remember, I always support the players over organizations (teams/tournaments). Whether I like their behaviour and decisions or not is another issue entirely, and I don't like Naniwa's attitude either in other circumstances, but that's not the point here. You have a lot of post so I cant recall them specifically, but my point is that I generally get a positive impression of your posts. Meaning that they are well thought out and not over/unreasonably biased. Its okay to support players over tournaments but there should be a limit. I like Naniwa a lot too and I honestly think him getting banned from code s is too harsh. However he fucked up with his behavior so I was expecting some kind of punishment. A lot of fans have argued that what he did was okay given the format or his emotion, but I havent seen any professional player, caster, management condone his behavior.. and thats something we should take into consideration here. They find it unacceptable for a big reason. | ||
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deathzz
669 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:10 Lavi wrote: Idra is lucky mr.chae didn't see his tweet: "dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously." or he'll find his code S spot gone with the quickness too. saying about it and shitting in their face during their marquee tournament is different | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:11 nam nam wrote: Show me one major sports that have a rule stated in such a fashion as the one quoted above. "Fifa can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a soccer player" What does that even mean? At least be specific, these general rules just mean they can make it up as they go along. Reading through the tread would help. Didn't Rooney just get a several-game ban? Maradona's 15 months for cocaine use. Just google for "player banned." It's absolutely acceptable in the real world. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:12 Goldfish wrote: Except this case wasn't all that "detrimental". When people compare this to other sports or other games remember that this game had nothing at stake. No points, no money, nothing. It's playing playing a Bo7 where the opponent has already won 4 matches (why play the last 3 games when the opponent already won)? I'm not saying what Naniwa did was right but this is no where as bad as people are making it out to be IMO. He should get a warning or something else rather than an outright ban and his Code S spot taken away. I though it was detrimental because it lacked professionalism and respect but I agree that the punishment is too harsh. And you want to take about tournament formatting - Naniwa was the one who accepted the tournament invite, he shouldnt revolt in the middle of it. If hes going to accept and invitational to a prestigious tournament like the Blizzard Cup, he should try to finish gracefully. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:07 dtz wrote: Hm care to explain why? I think this rule was intentionally put there to prevent Saviour , Luxury , and Co from joining GSL. Don't you agree that these people who has lost all sense of sportmanship should not be allowed to join GSL even if it is not under KESPA? Not saying what Naniwa did is anything close to the matchfixers. But the rule by itself is appropriate imo. Naniwa just happen to catch the lower spectrum of the rule probably. It's not worded to explicitly ban those people. It's worded to ban anyone they feel like banning. It's like the difference between "Your driver's license will be suspended, if you are found driving under the influence of alcohol" vs. "Your driver's license will be suspended, if an officer finds you unfit to drive." Discretionary laws should be avoided for this reason. | ||
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HOTSLocusT
Canada10 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:51 legaton wrote: Mr Chae is doing a favor to the foreign community. It's a free lesson on professionalism and how acting like a spoiled child is just going to end up in troubles for you. An frankly, Naniwa's record in Korea is abyssal, he's 1-12! GOM gave a free invite to an undeserving player, that player shit all over their event, and now, they are taking back the invite to give it to someone else. Idra may act on a similar way on foreign tournaments, but he was always a pro in GSL (and even when he 6pooled, he was one 5 health marine away from victory, you could say it was a risky yet appropriate strat). Prob would've been a different situation if he was doing a bit better. great point. | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:12 deathzz wrote: saying about it and shitting in their face during their marquee tournament is different well that is BM and it can make him "unfit to be a gamer" (whatever that means) so they can ban him too X.X | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
You are a mod from the teamliquid forums. You can deny the participation of someone in the forums if you found them to be unfit to be a forum poster. | ||
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