Nuff said! What was the point of having a match between 2 players who were already out in the first place?
To earn money from the sponsors? To be able to profit from hosting a tournament. To be able to host more tournaments in the future.
Then find content THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS! They could have attracted more money just by showing some random Korean cheerleaders dancing in the middle of the room..and i bet u anything that would have been a 10x times bigger hit then a looser vs looser match.. "Noooow we will determine WHO IS THE BIGGER LOOSER!! clap clap clap"
People are just hating because it's me who did it.
Naniwa, why do you think people hate on you? It's a fact, they hate on you. But I'd like you to think about the reasons. It's something you do or it's some random hating? It's not random man, think your acts.
Pointless game is pointless but there are classier ways to go about it than worker rushing. On the flipside though all the hate for Naniwa isn't any better.
On December 13 2011 23:59 Hagg wrote: Give him a break, those losses were heartbreaking and that game had no implication for anyone in the group, as he says himself this wasnt much different from a 4gate.
But yet the 4 gate would have saved him from all this shitfest. Theres the difference.
I call bullshit on that I bet the would still be threads then that Nani did some mindless all in 4 gate when he could of done a macro game blah blah... not givving nestea repsect.
Problem is its because it him. Hes guilty of his own success of being a Foreigner hope.
One thing about Nani... what you see is what you get. Thats what I like about him.
On December 14 2011 00:05 The KY wrote: I agree with Nani that since he wouldn't have been absolutely playing to win anyway that no one is being robbed of an epic game. It was still disrespectful but he's not a monkey in a zoo, he doesn't have to dance for your amusement. He's made it clear that he plays to win and once he can't win it doesn't matter.
NO.
The correct thing to do in such situation is to play a cool game. Do a mothership rush, hallucination rush or something that would say, "the result of the game does not affect our status in the tournament, however as professional gamers we would bring the entertainment to our fans, teams and paid viewers deserve."
He has to dance for our amusement, in the game. Him winning money is not what I look forward to from being his fan. I look forward to his games.
It's a competition. I payed to watch the best players compete, not muck about with hallucinations.
Sincere question; in what way is that different from a probe rush except it lasts longer? Who finds that entertaining anyway?
Naniwa more than any other player is not an entertainer. It's not his job, how could you think it is? Our entertainment is a by product of him competing; the global audience of Starcraft fans didn't grow watching people play around trying to be entertaining. We came to watch competition and THAT is what entertained us. Naniwa doesn't owe you anything, least of all a meaningless mothership rush.
On December 14 2011 00:05 The KY wrote: I agree with Nani that since he wouldn't have been absolutely playing to win anyway that no one is being robbed of an epic game. It was still disrespectful but he's not a monkey in a zoo, he doesn't have to dance for your amusement. He's made it clear that he plays to win and once he can't win it doesn't matter.
NO.
The correct thing to do in such situation is to play a cool game. Do a mothership rush, hallucination rush or something that would say, "the result of the game does not affect our status in the tournament, however as professional gamers we would bring the entertainment to our fans, teams and paid viewers."
He has to dance for our amusement, in the game. Him winning money is not what I look forward to from being his fan. I look forward to his games.
I do not understand where this expectation that every SC2 player has to be an entertainer is coming from. A professional player be it football or SC2 should play to win. It is not his job to go out and entertain, it is his job to win. If him winning isnt what you look forward to then Naniwa isnt the guy you should root for.
Nuff said! What was the point of having a match between 2 players who were already out in the first place? That's bad organization. It's like watching MLG finals then after it finishes..the absolute last players (the first that got kicked out) have a match of vengence between them...useless....
Don't agree to play games even if they're meaningless.
Goes both ways. Terrible format yes (though it's nice to see more games) but Naniwa did agree to it. Don't say you'll do things and then don't do them.
But he did play the game, you fool.
If he did something remarkably stupid like, proxy-inbase-cycore-into-shuttle-probe-drop, yes, maybe it may of been hilariously entertaining but to not mark it in the same vein as 'not trying', where do you draw the line?
i think the thing naniwa did was just a normal reaction from him he is a very emotional player and takes his loses really bad he works really hard etc. and losing every game in the group is really frustrating if i was in his posi i think i would have thought about doing sth like that
On December 14 2011 00:10 Coca Cola Classic wrote: He deserves every ounce of criticism and hatred he gets. His actions lack both professionalism and sportsmanship. All of you arguing for "his match meant nothing therefore he should not be forced to play" is ridiculous. If you look at the UEFA Cup, teams that have no chance of qualifying must still field a team and play the match. Even if they have no chance of moving forward, players are still on the field, and they still play. They don't field a team of 6 players. They field a team of 11. Imagine showing up to a UEFA Cup game and the team decides to field 6 players because the match doesn't mean anything. No one would stand for it in the soccer community and no one should stand for it here.
Except they would start B-teamers and youth academy players. In professional sports leagues around the world, a team with no chance often sits "injured" star players for an entire month, start players that totally do not belong in the major leagues, try wild strategies, et cetera to try to see "what they have for the future."
No one would stand for it in the sports-watching community and no one should stand for it here.
Oh, wait. Except they do.
Oh wait, except that the B-teamers and youth academy players are still playing to win, they are still trying to compete and play their hardest. They aren't going out onto the pitch with the attitude of, "Well this is pointless, so I'm just gonna not try at all and let the other team win."
On December 14 2011 00:10 Coca Cola Classic wrote: He deserves every ounce of criticism and hatred he gets. His actions lack both professionalism and sportsmanship. All of you arguing for "his match meant nothing therefore he should not be forced to play" is ridiculous. If you look at the UEFA Cup, teams that have no chance of qualifying must still field a team and play the match. Even if they have no chance of moving forward, players are still on the field, and they still play. They don't field a team of 6 players. They field a team of 11. Imagine showing up to a UEFA Cup game and the team decides to field 6 players because the match doesn't mean anything. No one would stand for it in the soccer community and no one should stand for it here.
Except they would start B-teamers and youth academy players. In professional sports leagues around the world, a team with no chance often sits "injured" star players for an entire month, start players that totally do not belong in the major leagues, try wild strategies, et cetera to try to see "what they have for the future."
No one would stand for it in the sports-watching community and no one should stand for it here.
Oh, wait. Except they do.
except that reason is valid - players need rest to give their best. idra comes to mind. also, despite being a B team, players actually still get to watch a legitimate game that may have an unexpected outcome.
do you see those lagging behind in F1 racing stop their cars and get out because there's no way in hell they're going to win? how about golf where you're far behind in strokes - do you call for the caddie and drive straight off the course?
i just wonder if nestea wasnt 0-3 and had something to play for, but naniwa was already out if he would of done the same strategy. his answers make it seem like he would of.
I think it's terribly funny how people mess up the meaning of the term "professional gamer" or "professional athlete". You're a "pro" because you make money doing that - not because of how you act.
Naniwa is certainly a pro-gamer. He still has sponsors, he still gets paid to play, and that's not gonna change with this.
If anything, people like me think he's even cooler now than he was before - because he did something flashy and different, he showed his emotions through his actions, and proved that he's human. He's gained me as a fan now. Props to him :D people just like to make drama out little things like this, but really I thought it was just funny what he did and it was a stylish way for him to go out of a meaningless game.
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote: People are just hating because it's me who did it.
That's the truth right there.
SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.
Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!
No. It's more like a rapist gets out of jail and helps a woman pick up some groceries and gets arrested for sexual assault.
Here's a comparison for you: It's a person asked to do his work without salary. I'm sure everyone here would keep on working, not saying a word and show their best performance despite not getting payed. Personally I'd spit in my employers face and walk out of there.
Thats the character of NaNiwa. Accept it. Its not important if you like it or not.
In my opionion every sport needs sb like that. Emotions are only good for eSports. The important thing is, that NaNi can life with all the anger hes recieving at the moment. And i think he definitely can.
If you face two all-ins in a row, and youre losing barely 2 times and you have to play a meaningless match after that aswell. I cant even imagine how Naniwa felt.
Nuff said! What was the point of having a match between 2 players who were already out in the first place? That's bad organization. It's like watching MLG finals then after it finishes..the absolute last players (the first that got kicked out) have a match of vengence between them...useless....
Don't agree to play games even if they're meaningless.
Goes both ways. Terrible format yes (though it's nice to see more games) but Naniwa did agree to it. Don't say you'll do things and then don't do them.
But he did play the game, you fool.
If he did something remarkably stupid like, proxy-inbase-cycore-into-shuttle-probe-drop, yes, maybe it may of been hilariously entertaining but to not mark it in the same vein as 'not trying', where do you draw the line?
If you consider A-Moving your probes to Nestea's main and taking your hands off of the keyboard as playing then okay.
Try to win the game whether it's half assed or not. Otherwise don't claim you're a professional if you're just a quitter.
Considering the very negative responses from Korean teams, players, and media, do you regret what you did? Would you have done it differently if you could do it again?
If I could do it again i would just 4 gate and then people wouldnt have complained, this is no different from what Stephano did against Cloud at Dreamhack [Note: After going 0-2 and being eliminated from his group, Stephano went for two very early pool builds against Cloud. Stephano's match against Cloud had ranking implications for other players in his group], People are just hating because it's me who did it.
another example comes to mind
Were the Koreans pissed at Moon when this happened?
That's completely different, 6 pool is NOT an all in build on Tal'Darim lol.
I see why Naniwa did what he did, it was a meaningless game, on the other hand I can see why people are getting mad because he pretty much wasted a lot of people's time.
To be honest this could actually be a good thing because it might open people's eyes on this format so that we never have to see it again, and hopefully things like this don't have to happen again.
It was kind of silly to expect a good game coming from two people who are 0-3 in the group with no chance of advancing and no money on the line.
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote: People are just hating because it's me who did it.
That's the truth right there.
SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.
Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!
No. It's more like a rapist gets out of jail and helps a woman pick up some groceries and gets arrested for sexual assault.
Here's a comparison for you: It's a person asked to do his work without salary. I'm sure everyone here would keep on working, not saying a word and show their best performance despite not getting payed. Personally I'd spit in my employers face and walk out of there.
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