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Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 7

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Pandinus
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden29 Posts
December 13 2011 15:07 GMT
#121
Correct move by Nani. Bad system.

Haters gonna hate.

User was warned for this post
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:09:09
December 13 2011 15:08 GMT
#122
On December 14 2011 00:02 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


Mind boggingly stupid comparison.

Could've been any comparison, extreme or not and it'd still apply because he has a bad track record.

There is a reason why people are reacting like this and it's also not just because it's naniwa, but what he did was genuinely stupid. Had anyone else done it on the same stage they would have gotten flak I guarantee you. If it was a korean they'd have been banned from GSL immediately and potentially kicked off/banned from any team.
Ergho
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden13 Posts
December 13 2011 15:08 GMT
#123
Pointless games are pointless... Don't see the point in whining about it, since it's nothing diffrent from anything else he could have done nor would it matter... It's not like other people havn't done similair things in the past without this amount of shitstorm about it...
Lillpapps
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden99 Posts
December 13 2011 15:08 GMT
#124
Why are people bringing up the Stephano games? They are not even remotely comparable. Stephano even won one game. His builds atleast had a 1% chance of winning.
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
December 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#125
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.


The hate against naniwa is silly. I feel like Korean players and a big part of the SC2 community are right now ganging up and hating on Naniwa, it's close to bullying in my opinion and it disgusts me. I thought good of this community but it's showing it's true colours more and more. The HoN and FPS communitys are assholes but atleast they arent hypocrites and Dramaqueens the lot of them.

As soon as Naniwa does something it is blown out of porportion and people take the chance to hate on him. He played his 3 games that mattered and he gave it all. He lost and all 3 games were close and he chose to forfeit the last match in a faschion that is arguable.
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
December 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#126
That was a quick apology. He's not as stubborn as people thought, I guess.
bluehawky
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom183 Posts
December 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#127
If man say him a ting, then him a ting.

Programer or not he gave some awsome games when it counted and that's all that mattes to me as an Sc2 Fan.
Beging as we wish to end.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#128
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Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#129
He deserves every ounce of criticism and hatred he gets. His actions lack both professionalism and sportsmanship. All of you arguing for "his match meant nothing therefore he should not be forced to play" is ridiculous. If you look at the UEFA Cup, teams that have no chance of qualifying must still field a team and play the match. Even if they have no chance of moving forward, players are still on the field, and they still play. They don't field a team of 6 players. They field a team of 11. Imagine showing up to a UEFA Cup game and the team decides to field 6 players because the match doesn't mean anything. No one would stand for it in the soccer community and no one should stand for it here.
안녕하세요~~
ngri
Profile Joined October 2010
Luxembourg136 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#130
On December 13 2011 23:52 SaetZero wrote:

But this is disheartening.

In the professional world of sports, shit can happen, and I get that.
+ Show Spoiler +
In a old Formula 1 race, Senna had the championship won basically, but not on lockdown (a no point race, while his main rival won would have lost it) so Senna basically crashed his opponent in the first turn on the first lap to ensure that couldn't happen. Disgraceful? Maybe. A Professional 'win no matter what' mindset? I think so.


I'll stay a fan... but a lot of respect was lost.


Hahah aww yeah, I would've wanna see something like that! Naniwa probe-rushing, meanwhile going over to Nestea's booth to slap him from his chair and win the game!

I really don't care, format like that with nothing on the line, basically people are saying they are okay with him throwing the game if he did it in any other way. Don't see the difference, i thought it was pretty funny and we could quickly move on to the deciding matches.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#131
On December 14 2011 00:05 gulshngill wrote:
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On December 13 2011 23:56 Kommander wrote:
I don't mean to throw gas into the fire but could someone translate this? Google translate is unreliable and I would really like to know what the BossToss himself thinks of the situation.



나니와가 화이트라 아저씨를 보고 좀 마인드를 바꿨으면 좋겠다.
상대방 생각도안하고 그런식의 행동은 올바르지 않다고생각한다.
만약 내가 3승0패 1위진출확정이고 나니와가 0승3패인데 난 어차피 1위니까 너랑 게임 안해라고 하고 시작하자마자 gg치면

Edit: from MC's twitter


From Waxangels's blog

@oGsMC: I was really lost for words after watching today's game. Does he even know what the word "pro" is? My role model for professionalism is White-Ra. He really loves his fans, and doesn't give up his games until the end, and he's very mannered towards everyone. Does anyone dislike White-Ra?

I hope Naniwa can look at White-Ra and change his mentality. I don't think it's right to do that, not considering your opponent at all. I wish he'd think about how he would have felt if I had gone 3-0 and confirmed #1 in my group, and he was 0-3, and I thought that since I'm 1st place nothing matters and just GG'd out of my game against him.

Well, if you there's no big deal because there's no money on the the line, then I can't say anything to that, you're just not a pro. After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday.


MC's a White-Ra fan? Daym, everyone likes GrandpaToss so much! Says a lot when the BossToss himself is a fan of him.
TissTuss
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:11:06
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#132
Haters gonna hate.

User was warned for this post
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
December 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#133
On December 14 2011 00:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:02 karpo wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


Mind boggingly stupid comparison.

Could've been any comparison, extreme or not and it'd still apply because he has a bad track record.

There is a reason why people are reacting like this and it's also not just because it's naniwa, but what he did was genuinely stupid. Had anyone else done it on the same stage they would have gotten flak I guarantee you. If it was a korean they'd have been banned from GSL immediately and potentially kicked off/banned from any team.


Haha so just proberushing instead of doing a shitty 6-pool like Idra did to Jinro at the GSL is a huge difference?

The reason people are reacting like this is because people on these forums LOVE to overreact to everything. TSL vs EG, Stephano vs Complexity, Naniwa vs Nestea, Naniwa vs Complexity are just some of the shit people have blown totally out of proportion so far.
Jeramus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States37 Posts
December 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#134
I don't understand the comparisons to professional sports. I have seen plenty of games near the end of a season with no playoff implications where a team will play their B team players. No one cares because the games don't matter. I think if Naniwa wanted to forfeit they should have let him. I guess that option wasn't available before the game so he basically forfeited in the game.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:11:50
December 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#135
It's ok Nani, haters gonna hate.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
cive
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:13:40
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#136
On December 14 2011 00:05 The KY wrote:
I agree with Nani that since he wouldn't have been absolutely playing to win anyway that no one is being robbed of an epic game. It was still disrespectful but he's not a monkey in a zoo, he doesn't have to dance for your amusement. He's made it clear that he plays to win and once he can't win it doesn't matter.


NO.

The correct thing to do in such situation is to play a cool game. Do a mothership rush, hallucination rush or something that would say, "the result of the game does not affect our status in the tournament, however as professional gamers we would bring the entertainment to our fans, teams and paid viewers."

He has to dance for our amusement, in the game. Him winning money is not what I look forward to from being his fan. I look forward to his games.

Play Terran
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#137
Naniwa i want your babies...
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#138
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


...I'm assuming that you're just using it for purposes of the metaphor, but comparing Naniwa to a rapist? Or any kind of criminal? See, this is the problem -- he does something that people think is unprofessional or BM, and that's a totally valid opinion to have. There are a lot of reasons why he shouldn't have probe rushed. But people saying stuff like this just escalates everything into a giant shit-fest.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#139
I agree he should just had 4 gated then nothing would had happen.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
gregnog
Profile Joined December 2010
United States289 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#140
MC is a master at pandering to the SC2 masses. Jumps on the anti-nani bandwagon and at the same time praises everyone man crush Whitera.
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