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Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 6

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ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
December 13 2011 15:02 GMT
#101
This is a perfect example of why each group match should have a $$ amount attached to it. Instead of making the finals of an event so top heavy with prizing.. you spread the amount out for group play as well. It is how ESL does it for their IEM group stages and it means that every match matters (at least to a point). Even in real sports... meaningless games often have a financial implication.

Just my 2 cents..
Still Naked!
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
December 13 2011 15:02 GMT
#102
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


Mind boggingly stupid comparison.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
December 13 2011 15:03 GMT
#103
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!

Except for the fact that half the things he's done before were also blown up by the community unnecessarily.

Naniwa and Nestea after the debacle at MLG? Chatting like friends in the player area.
TeamLiquid/Reddit? Brandishing pitchforks.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 13 2011 15:03 GMT
#104
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


Lol, another thing I love about SC2... You'll never actually see a good comparison between situations, it's always compared to mass murder, rape, and other outlandish things.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
December 13 2011 15:03 GMT
#105
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.


I agree totally. If someone does this its meh , but forgotten easily. If its IdrA or Naniwa for example, theres a huuuuuuuge deal made out of it.

He lost, NesTea lost. Neither of them could go trough and there was nothing to gain from the match. GOM should have just scrapped it altogether imo.

To the 'but it was nesteas bday' -ppl, im sure naniwa wished him a happy bday if he knew, but else, im pretty sure he couldnt give a flying f* if it was his bday or not. Stupid arguments are stupid, lets pile on more stuff that has nothing to do with it but makes it look worse! yaaay

GOM, just scrap these matches like u do in up-n-downs
KCCO!
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
December 13 2011 15:03 GMT
#106
the game didn't matter, it should not have been played in the first place stop giving him shit
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 13 2011 15:03 GMT
#107
On December 14 2011 00:02 csn_JohnClark wrote:
This is a perfect example of why each group match should have a $$ amount attached to it. Instead of making the finals of an event so top heavy with prizing.. you spread the amount out for group play as well. It is how ESL does it for their IEM group stages and it means that every match matters (at least to a point). Even in real sports... meaningless games often have a financial implication.

Just my 2 cents..


But then people would complain about the difficulty of each group.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Hohto
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland18 Posts
December 13 2011 15:04 GMT
#108
This kind of situations should not happen in the first place, why would anyone want to play a tournament game after they are allready out? It's kinda silly to force players to play meaningless games. Anyways not a big deal at all.
It's nice to be important but more important to be nice
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 13 2011 15:04 GMT
#109
ups, I should've known better than to look into it... :-(
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
December 13 2011 15:04 GMT
#110
On December 14 2011 00:03 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


Lol, another thing I love about SC2... You'll never actually see a good comparison between situations, it's always compared to mass murder, rape, and other outlandish things.


Not true. Just the ones that bother us and stand out are these disgusting attempts at making everything seem worse than it is. There's a blog comparing the meaningless games between two 0-3 players and baseball that does it very well.
Never make a hydralisk.
Adamcakez
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia12 Posts
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#111
I dont think theres any excuse for what naniwa did. imagine if in a football game or soccer game or whatever sport you watch. your team threw the match. fans would go crazy and there would be consequences,think if there was match betting on that game(which isnt uncommon). i think its extremely unprofessional and just looks nothing short of naniwa sooking. Think about hero last night he lost every game but he still tried his absolute best. Have some pride. Out of alot of good players he was chosen he should show some respect. MMA HWAITING!~
Ivanov
Profile Joined November 2011
Turkey40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:15:07
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#112
This is what I understand from "Professionalism":

Even there is nothing at stake, you play/perform/race your heart out! No matter what happened before, you sweat until the last seconds. Professionalism means you don't "get heartbroken and willingly perform poorly" , no matter what you TRY to do what you do.

Feelings should be put aside if one wants to be called "Professional".
Being professional , being called professional has a magnitude, but it is given like candies in gaming forums...

Just because fan's can relate to the feelings of a professional, it doesn't mean it is justified. There is a reason fans are fans, and pro's are pro's.

I suggest people read about Molière's last performance, if they want to understand what professionalism is...
TT1 Canada. December 10 2011 : there is no sun in canada and working out requires too much energy
RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#113
You know what, I actually appreciated him saving time. I didn't particularly want to watch that game (even though I really like the two players). And besides, the biggest travesty of the night was the first game between Polt and MMA. That game made me understand why some people hate TvT.
The_FoRCe
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2 Posts
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#114
I can totally understand naniwa. If you can't give at least 100% in a game you shouldn't play it.

He could have just left the game at the beginning, but he did something nobody would ever expect to happen in GSL.
Was pretty entertaining,too. Would have been an interesting game if it had any impact on the ranking.
no gg - no skill
gulshngill
Profile Joined December 2010
Malaysia140 Posts
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#115
On December 13 2011 23:56 Kommander wrote:
I don't mean to throw gas into the fire but could someone translate this? Google translate is unreliable and I would really like to know what the BossToss himself thinks of the situation.



나니와가 화이트라 아저씨를 보고 좀 마인드를 바꿨으면 좋겠다.
상대방 생각도안하고 그런식의 행동은 올바르지 않다고생각한다.
만약 내가 3승0패 1위진출확정이고 나니와가 0승3패인데 난 어차피 1위니까 너랑 게임 안해라고 하고 시작하자마자 gg치면

Edit: from MC's twitter


From Waxangels's blog

@oGsMC: I was really lost for words after watching today's game. Does he even know what the word "pro" is? My role model for professionalism is White-Ra. He really loves his fans, and doesn't give up his games until the end, and he's very mannered towards everyone. Does anyone dislike White-Ra?

I hope Naniwa can look at White-Ra and change his mentality. I don't think it's right to do that, not considering your opponent at all. I wish he'd think about how he would have felt if I had gone 3-0 and confirmed #1 in my group, and he was 0-3, and I thought that since I'm 1st place nothing matters and just GG'd out of my game against him.

Well, if you there's no big deal because there's no money on the the line, then I can't say anything to that, you're just not a pro. After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#116
I agree with Nani that since he wouldn't have been absolutely playing to win anyway that no one is being robbed of an epic game. It was still disrespectful but he's not a monkey in a zoo, he doesn't have to dance for your amusement. He's made it clear that he plays to win and once he can't win it doesn't matter.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:08:19
December 13 2011 15:06 GMT
#117
On December 14 2011 00:05 Ivanov wrote:
This is what I understand from "Professionalism":

Even there is nothing at stake, you play/perform/race your heart out! No matter what happened before, you sweat until the last seconds. Professionalism means you don't "get heartbroken and willingly perform poorly" , no matter what you TRY to do what you do.

Feelings should be put aside if one wants to be called "Professional".
Being professional , being called professional has a magnitude, but it is given like candies in gaming forums...


Try telling that to every other player who doesn't.

Question to those still up in arms about what this guy did.

Why do you even bother watching Johan play then?
jojo311
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia903 Posts
December 13 2011 15:07 GMT
#118
On December 14 2011 00:05 gulshngill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:56 Kommander wrote:
I don't mean to throw gas into the fire but could someone translate this? Google translate is unreliable and I would really like to know what the BossToss himself thinks of the situation.



나니와가 화이트라 아저씨를 보고 좀 마인드를 바꿨으면 좋겠다.
상대방 생각도안하고 그런식의 행동은 올바르지 않다고생각한다.
만약 내가 3승0패 1위진출확정이고 나니와가 0승3패인데 난 어차피 1위니까 너랑 게임 안해라고 하고 시작하자마자 gg치면

Edit: from MC's twitter


From Waxangels's blog

@oGsMC: I was really lost for words after watching today's game. Does he even know what the word "pro" is? My role model for professionalism is White-Ra. He really loves his fans, and doesn't give up his games until the end, and he's very mannered towards everyone. Does anyone dislike White-Ra?

I hope Naniwa can look at White-Ra and change his mentality. I don't think it's right to do that, not considering your opponent at all. I wish he'd think about how he would have felt if I had gone 3-0 and confirmed #1 in my group, and he was 0-3, and I thought that since I'm 1st place nothing matters and just GG'd out of my game against him.

Well, if you there's no big deal because there's no money on the the line, then I can't say anything to that, you're just not a pro. After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday.




I totally agree with MC.
laggikoN
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden213 Posts
December 13 2011 15:07 GMT
#119
On December 14 2011 00:02 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:59 grobo wrote:
People are just hating because it's me who did it.

That's the truth right there.

SC2 community is easily the most biased community i have ever been a part of.

Yeah, just like a rapist who got out of jail decides to go rape again gets a more severe punishment than a first time offender. Such an unfair system!


Mind boggingly stupid comparison.


Yeah, im known for making nonsensical comparisons but this is just wrong on so many levels. Wtf...
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 15:08:20
December 13 2011 15:07 GMT
#120
I find it interesting that he says "I dont have anything more to say to fans or my team, what I said should explain it." Makes it seem like Quantic is probably not very happy with him at the moment.

EDIT: NVM
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