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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
December 11 2011 20:05 GMT
#521
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
sanza
Profile Joined December 2011
1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 20:38:43
December 11 2011 20:37 GMT
#522
I don't think that someone can be "The best player of the world" ; it depends on too many factors.
But one thing for Stephano : he's listening very good music. Rare enough to be told
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 11 2011 20:42 GMT
#523
On December 12 2011 05:05 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.


No Im a stephano fan and a realist and I never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All im doing is providing facts about Stephano something his haters dont do much.

Ofcourse its much easier to claim Stephano is overrated and will get figured out becuase Idra sayd so o.0

If thats considered a fanboy well geuss I am.

Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
December 11 2011 20:55 GMT
#524
On December 12 2011 05:05 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.

Unnecessary ad hominem, shame on you. If you call him biased at least point out the flaw in his reasoning. I don't know if Boxer was "well prepared", but he certainly had more time for preparation than his opponent as it was obvious he would face Stephano from the grid.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 11 2011 21:00 GMT
#525
On December 12 2011 05:42 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 05:05 StyLeD wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.


No Im a stephano fan and a realist and I never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All im doing is providing facts about Stephano something his haters dont do much.

Ofcourse its much easier to claim Stephano is overrated and will get figured out becuase Idra sayd so o.0

If thats considered a fanboy well geuss I am.



a realist would not claim boxer was well prepared and stephanno was tired, when boxer had no clue he was about to play stephano. You are not a realist, you are a fanboy.
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
December 11 2011 22:11 GMT
#526
On December 12 2011 06:00 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 05:42 HappyChris wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:05 StyLeD wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.


No Im a stephano fan and a realist and I never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All im doing is providing facts about Stephano something his haters dont do much.

Ofcourse its much easier to claim Stephano is overrated and will get figured out becuase Idra sayd so o.0

If thats considered a fanboy well geuss I am.



a realist would not claim boxer was well prepared and stephanno was tired, when boxer had no clue he was about to play stephano. You are not a realist, you are a fanboy.

sorry to break it to all of you but you are ALL arguing a retarded argument
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
December 11 2011 22:32 GMT
#527
The OP and this entire thread has been flamebait. I think the reason it hasn't been closed yet is because a mod took one look at the OP, saw the wall of text, realized how much effort was put into it and took pity. So he settled to just changing the title to be less controversial instead.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
December 11 2011 22:32 GMT
#528
On December 12 2011 06:00 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 05:42 HappyChris wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:05 StyLeD wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.


No Im a stephano fan and a realist and I never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All im doing is providing facts about Stephano something his haters dont do much.

Ofcourse its much easier to claim Stephano is overrated and will get figured out becuase Idra sayd so o.0

If thats considered a fanboy well geuss I am.



a realist would not claim boxer was well prepared and stephanno was tired, when boxer had no clue he was about to play stephano. You are not a realist, you are a fanboy.


You are a courageous man, if I had been called out on my idiocy so many times in a single thread I would have been so embarrased and stopped posting long ago. I geuss you truly know no shame, good for you fella.

Also, the boxer series at MLG was incredibly insignificant, a 2 rax all in and an unscouted marine push. Not to take anything away from boxer, he does that stuff better than almost anyone, but it doesn't reflect on Stephano's skill that much. Not to mention the series at IPL was incredibly one sided in the other players favor.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 22:44:46
December 11 2011 22:41 GMT
#529
On December 12 2011 06:00 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 05:42 HappyChris wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:05 StyLeD wrote:
On December 12 2011 05:04 arfyron wrote:
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano


HappyChris is a Stephano fanboy. That's all you need to know.


No Im a stephano fan and a realist and I never claimed Stephano to be the best in the world. All im doing is providing facts about Stephano something his haters dont do much.

Ofcourse its much easier to claim Stephano is overrated and will get figured out becuase Idra sayd so o.0

If thats considered a fanboy well geuss I am.



a realist would not claim boxer was well prepared and stephanno was tired, when boxer had no clue he was about to play stephano. You are not a realist, you are a fanboy.


Dear Hunts, I think you made more of enough fool out of youself allrdy. First you come into this thread and say all of stephano´s winnings is only from French lans.

Then you claim Stephano´s high win ratio in Korea is becuase he bought a new account in korea and was playing against low league players.

Now you claiming Boxer didnt knew he was gonna play stephano when the grid on day 2 showed Stephano to meet Kiwi and then the winner to meet Boxer next day.

I dont know whats going on with you either you just trolling me or you just dont do very much research before posting
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
December 11 2011 22:41 GMT
#530
I don't think anyone would dispute MVP being the best SC2 player. Stephano is really good, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet proclaiming him the best. He is probably in the top five no doubt, but no one comes close to MVP right now. I would round out the top five as:

Leenock
Jjakji
MVP
Stephano
Nestea

Sorry Protosses, but I really don't see one of you guys having a better skillset than those five guys.
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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 11 2011 22:43 GMT
#531
On December 12 2011 07:41 Wegandi wrote:
I don't think anyone would dispute MVP being the best SC2 player. Stephano is really good, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet proclaiming him the best. He is probably in the top five no doubt, but no one comes close to MVP right now. I would round out the top five as:

Leenock
Jjakji
MVP
Stephano
Nestea

Sorry Protosses, but I really don't see one of you guys having a better skillset than those five guys.


You placing Stephano way to high. Stephano is proberly around top 20.
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 22:53:32
December 11 2011 22:51 GMT
#532
My top 10 zergs :
1 - Nestea
2 - Losira
3 - Leenock
4 - YuGiOh
5 - Min
6 - Coca
7 - Zenio
8 - Sen
9 - DIMAGA
10 - Stephano

Yeah Stephano is one of the very best foreigners but all this fanboyism is not justified yet.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
December 11 2011 22:53 GMT
#533
On December 12 2011 03:01 LighT. wrote:
5. He's inconsistent. To be a top player, you have to have a rate of consistency...NEstea is always up there, so is MVP, MMA etc. Stephano has a large flux of ups and downs as noted his loss to Boxer at MLG Orlando,and his abysmal performance at Dreamhack.


Thats some really high standards for consistency if the big "downs" are losses to Boxer, Sheth and Naniwa (and Cloud, when he was already out).
Out of the top foreigners only Naniwa may be really more consistent. Huk and Idra have quite a big record of blowups.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 11 2011 22:54 GMT
#534
On December 12 2011 07:41 Wegandi wrote:
I don't think anyone would dispute MVP being the best SC2 player. Stephano is really good, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet proclaiming him the best. He is probably in the top five no doubt, but no one comes close to MVP right now. I would round out the top five as:

Leenock
Jjakji
MVP
Stephano
Nestea

Sorry Protosses, but I really don't see one of you guys having a better skillset than those five guys.


I would go for:

1) MVP
2) Leenock
3) Jjakji
4) Nestea
5) DRG

Honourable mention: MMA
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
December 11 2011 23:21 GMT
#535
I'm glad the OP had the guts to go through with this post. After watching IPL 3 I made a similar conclusion, that Stephano has an incredible amount of natural talent, and I drew a hasty comparison with (P)Grrrr.... While it would take the equivalent of an OSL win for this to hold water, if Stephano's 3 hours of practice is true, then I'm really impressed. (Note: I said "drew a hasty comparison", and an incorrect one. Grrr will never be eclipsed in the mind of SC fans.)

With a full schedule in a Korean house, comes a manager to keep track of your time, your tournaments, and your upcoming matches therein. This is in stark contrast to the Western method of pro house-dom, wherein the players still manage their time individually. While a team manager directly benefits the lesser-skilled players the most, it has it's benefits for every player with almost no drawbacks.

To avoid being a flash in the pan, Stephano would need to give up the next few years of his life to Starcraft, and under a professional's managerial care. I doubt this is something that will happen, but I can certainly hope that he goes this route. Until Stephano makes solid appearances in the GSL, TLers will be hard pressed to convince each other that Stephano is "the best".

To go back to my original comparison, Stephano reminds me of (P)Pillars much more than Grrr....
Beauty is not the goal of competitive sports, but high-level sports are a prime venue for the expression of human beauty. The relation is roughly that of courage to war.
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 23:28:21
December 11 2011 23:27 GMT
#536
On December 11 2011 02:19 Toppp wrote:
He's the best foreigner Zerg, but he's still not the best in the world. He's atleast top 10 though.

He's not even that though. Sen and IdrA have both shown better results against better players before, and ret/dimaga have been much scarier when they're on their game (both can tend to be inconsistent). Stephano dodged all the good players at IPL3 and the other two tourneys he won lacked any real top-tier players. I guess his upcoming Blizzard Cup group will be a good display of him against top players, but I really can't see him going any better than 1-3 against MVP, MC, HerO, and DRG.
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 11 2011 23:31 GMT
#537
I want to love stephano as every zerg fanboy does, but I can't stand his terrible micro sometimes. seriously, everytime I watch his tournament games, I cringe as I see roaches randomly walking into their death.
liftlift > tsm
Toez
Profile Joined June 2011
France167 Posts
December 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#538
according to Artosis, every player is the best in the world.
it's not an argument
like a baws
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 23:37:32
December 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#539
On December 12 2011 08:27 Loki57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 02:19 Toppp wrote:
He's the best foreigner Zerg, but he's still not the best in the world. He's atleast top 10 though.

He's not even that though. Sen and IdrA have both shown better results against better players before, and ret/dimaga have been much scarier when they're on their game (both can tend to be inconsistent). Stephano dodged all the good players at IPL3 and the other two tourneys he won lacked any real top-tier players. I guess his upcoming Blizzard Cup group will be a good display of him against top players, but I really can't see him going any better than 1-3 against MVP, MC, HerO, and DRG.


What. He dodged all the good players at IPL 3? He beat the players that beat the players. At ESWC he dominated Marineking in the semifinal. at IPL 4 UK qualifier he took out grubby,Sase and tails that had just 2-0 Ryung.

What results have Idra got thats better then Stephanos IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 uk qualifier wins. Only result Idra got is his IEM china win over Elfi o.0

You cant even compare it

chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
December 11 2011 23:37 GMT
#540
On December 12 2011 07:41 Wegandi wrote:
I don't think anyone would dispute MVP being the best SC2 player. Stephano is really good, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet proclaiming him the best. He is probably in the top five no doubt, but no one comes close to MVP right now. I would round out the top five as:

Leenock
Jjakji
MVP
Stephano
Nestea

Sorry Protosses, but I really don't see one of you guys having a better skillset than those five guys.


Stephano is not top 5...I'd rate him at around top15
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