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taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
December 11 2011 12:07 GMT
#501
Wait did I miss when stephano moved to the oGs house? I thought he was quitting sc2 to pursue university studies?
ePdeLay
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia220 Posts
December 11 2011 12:12 GMT
#502
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 11 2011 12:15 GMT
#503
On December 11 2011 21:07 taldarimAltar wrote:
Wait did I miss when stephano moved to the oGs house? I thought he was quitting sc2 to pursue university studies?

He will... but not yet.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
December 11 2011 12:19 GMT
#504
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.

This is one of many stupid things idra said and now everyone is repeating it. There is more to zerg than ling/bling/muta that idra does, doesn't mean everything else is "gimicky".
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
December 11 2011 13:12 GMT
#505
On December 11 2011 20:37 Kevan wrote:
Stephano fanboys are retarded. He is good, probably one of the best foreigners(along with Huk, Naniwa, Idra, Sen, etc) but that's it.

Thanks for letting us know how much more intelligent you are than a whole group of different people, while you don't even know most of the people who belong in that group.

What's next, ragging on justin bieber and then watching destiny's and incontrol's steam side by side?
I'll call Nada.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 11 2011 13:16 GMT
#506
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 11 2011 13:27 GMT
#507
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?

Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
December 11 2011 13:35 GMT
#508
On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
Q- Why did you make this thread?
A- People will watch Stephano because of this thread. I love Teamliquid. Even if people hate and troll it just reminds me that I'm not the only one passionate about SC2. When I watches Broodwar this place was a desert. We could all probably fit in one room together. Now i get pages and pages of flame and hate within minutes of posting about SC2 and it makes me feel all giddy inside.If someone reads this thread and asks themselves "What is SC2 and why is everyone so opinionatd about this thing" and then goes on to watch a VOD or replay they may become a fan. If one person, just one, joins our ranks because of this, I will consider this a success.
Teamliquid Hwaiting!


No. We are already watching him; your thread doesn't add anything, sorry
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
cvt
Profile Joined November 2011
United States192 Posts
December 11 2011 13:39 GMT
#509
On December 11 2011 20:58 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 20:52 sereniity wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:54 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:50 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:44 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.

You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.


All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.

Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.


you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski



Once again you havent done you research buddy. He loaned this account when it was in high masters first day he played low GM. 2nd day he played high GM and l8r that evening got promoted to GM did you know that stephanos last 25 matches is GM is a 74% win ratio?

You so cute!. Those idra fanbous quite delusional but atleast do some research before you make statements that just make you look stupide



Steph is 70% on ladder atm, seems like he drops 5% everytime you speak son. Nice researching


Jesus crist arguing with Idra fanboys is like trying to make a point to children in kindergarden. Anyway im done with this thread when people just spouting crap with no research what so ever whats the point.

Im just gonna say this last time to all the Idra fans: 51% stuck in masters Idra. 70%+ GM top 30 Stephano.

Now this must be veyr hard and painfull for you guys but facts its facts.

Cya you around



I like both IdrA and Stephano but holy shit you must be dumb HAHA... You think a player of IdrAs calibre is STUCK in masters? You talk as if you were some fucking 10 year old kid, IdrA was #1 on the ladder in GM for A LONG TIME last season, does that make him the best player in the world? NO.

Ladder means jack shit, really.

So many dumb freaking fanboys in here, disgusting tbh... Trying to prove that 1 player is better than the other by comparing their W/L on ladder.



When was Idra rank 1 on korean GM?

And ofcourse ladder dont mean anything unless the situation was reversed, herp derp. Thats just how TL is atm if you from US and have won 3 major tournament in 2months an after 1 week in Korea are top 30 GM with a 70% win ratio you would be a god among mortals.

But if you from french and got the same result you just an overhyped scrub that will get figured out

I can't even read a video game thread without hearing some over exaggerated misconception / useless bashing of my country. Sweet
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 15:50:39
December 11 2011 15:49 GMT
#510
Yeah same for me cvt You stop your "surrender monkey pussy" shit and we will stop being usa-sceptics, deal ? :p


On the subject : who cares, he's good everyone seems to agree on that, he's probably not the best player, probably one of the best foreigners, let the kid play and enjoy nice games. Stop the flame war, let's make peace !
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
December 11 2011 16:17 GMT
#511
Needs to be a blog.
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 17:39:32
December 11 2011 17:38 GMT
#512
On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:
This says it all....

http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50

The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +

Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra

Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock





but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.


Yeah, ESWC, IPL3, IPL4 Qualifier, Assembly Summer and Battle in Berlin which accounts for about 70k of his winnings where some awesome french only tournaments, too bad no other top players from either europe or korea participated.

Edit; this thread is stupid, and so is a majority of the comments following it.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
December 11 2011 18:01 GMT
#513
Stephano is a great foreign player for sure..
As people mentioned in this thread; note that:
1. GM ladder in Korea means nothing; it means you have a certain amount of skills but the rankings hardly matters as it's just a place to train/polishing up. or you seriously dont belive byun is the #1 player in SC2 do you?
2. There's no clear cut evidence of Stephano being the #1 player in the world or even #1 foreigner...For MVP, it's just known....Idra has stated it...Leenock/Jjakji,, MMA, Nestea, casters..it's just generally known he's the best SC2 player at this moment. Stephanos reputation is moreso, he's acknowledged as a solid player with good mechanics who's the new generation of stars into the sc2 scene but hardly striking fear into opponents.
3. If you want to debate about IPL...again...he beat koreans but they were top notch...It wasn't even that impressive as his finalist FXO_Lucky, is regarded "easy" by the SlayerS Clan, and there's been more impressive foreigner victories ala: HuK at MLG Orlando and Naniwa for MLG GI. Idra's one is debatable.
4. Yes, he practices little and if he played more, he'd be a lot better for sure! However, he wouldnt improve so much that hes stomping everyone he goes against. The transition from bronze all the way upto masters is large difference in skill cap however transitioning from Class A to Class S esque player..is just refining the very little things...minimizing mistakes, quicker reaction times and gaining starsense.
5. He's inconsistent. To be a top player, you have to have a rate of consistency...NEstea is always up there, so is MVP, MMA etc. Stephano has a large flux of ups and downs as noted his loss to Boxer at MLG Orlando,and his abysmal performance at Dreamhack.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
December 11 2011 19:27 GMT
#514
On December 12 2011 03:01 LighT. wrote:

5. He's inconsistent. To be a top player, you have to have a rate of consistency...NEstea is always up there, so is MVP, MMA etc. Stephano has a large flux of ups and downs as noted his loss to Boxer at MLG Orlando,and his abysmal performance at Dreamhack.


Yeah, well, he passed the first grp stage, not like others. Just sayin
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
December 11 2011 19:31 GMT
#515
On December 12 2011 03:01 LighT. wrote:
5. He's inconsistent. To be a top player, you have to have a rate of consistency...NEstea is always up there, so is MVP, MMA etc. Stephano has a large flux of ups and downs as noted his loss to Boxer at MLG Orlando,and his abysmal performance at Dreamhack.


he wins 50% of the tournaments he enters, sounds consistent to me
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 11 2011 19:34 GMT
#516
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?
deber459
Profile Joined December 2011
United States37 Posts
December 11 2011 19:57 GMT
#517
I think Stephano is one of the greatest foreign players right now, but he's not the best in the world. He needs more time to prove himself. Like Idra said, people may soon figure out his strategies and will know how to beat him. There isn't any doubt in my mind that Stephano is very good at this game with so little practice.
hinnolinn
Profile Joined August 2010
212 Posts
December 11 2011 19:58 GMT
#518
On December 12 2011 04:27 Dawg_Snow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 03:01 LighT. wrote:

5. He's inconsistent. To be a top player, you have to have a rate of consistency...NEstea is always up there, so is MVP, MMA etc. Stephano has a large flux of ups and downs as noted his loss to Boxer at MLG Orlando,and his abysmal performance at Dreamhack.


Yeah, well, he passed the first grp stage, not like others. Just sayin


Just curious, if you're talking about Dreamhack, what "others" were there that didn't pass the first stage that were surprising?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 11 2011 20:03 GMT
#519
On December 11 2011 22:39 cvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 20:58 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 20:52 sereniity wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:54 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:50 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:44 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.

You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.


All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.

Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.


you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski



Once again you havent done you research buddy. He loaned this account when it was in high masters first day he played low GM. 2nd day he played high GM and l8r that evening got promoted to GM did you know that stephanos last 25 matches is GM is a 74% win ratio?

You so cute!. Those idra fanbous quite delusional but atleast do some research before you make statements that just make you look stupide



Steph is 70% on ladder atm, seems like he drops 5% everytime you speak son. Nice researching


Jesus crist arguing with Idra fanboys is like trying to make a point to children in kindergarden. Anyway im done with this thread when people just spouting crap with no research what so ever whats the point.

Im just gonna say this last time to all the Idra fans: 51% stuck in masters Idra. 70%+ GM top 30 Stephano.

Now this must be veyr hard and painfull for you guys but facts its facts.

Cya you around



I like both IdrA and Stephano but holy shit you must be dumb HAHA... You think a player of IdrAs calibre is STUCK in masters? You talk as if you were some fucking 10 year old kid, IdrA was #1 on the ladder in GM for A LONG TIME last season, does that make him the best player in the world? NO.

Ladder means jack shit, really.

So many dumb freaking fanboys in here, disgusting tbh... Trying to prove that 1 player is better than the other by comparing their W/L on ladder.



When was Idra rank 1 on korean GM?

And ofcourse ladder dont mean anything unless the situation was reversed, herp derp. Thats just how TL is atm if you from US and have won 3 major tournament in 2months an after 1 week in Korea are top 30 GM with a 70% win ratio you would be a god among mortals.

But if you from french and got the same result you just an overhyped scrub that will get figured out

I can't even read a video game thread without hearing some over exaggerated misconception / useless bashing of my country. Sweet


Yup I am with you lol but this thread just makes me laugh especially the OP .
When I think of something else, something will go here
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
December 11 2011 20:04 GMT
#520
On December 12 2011 04:34 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 22:27 rasers wrote:
On December 11 2011 22:16 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 21:12 ePdeLay wrote:
imo his a little too overated. Koreans are starting to figure out his playstyle.


Really you know this how? You speak with alot of korean top players on a regulary basis? Or are you just saying what Idra with his Stephano envy is saying?

The fact of the matter is the only zerg that is getting figured out is Idra. Look what Puma sayd in the NASL

How can you figure someone out that plays so many differently styles I never got that argument

Everytime I see that comment I lose faith in the human race

MLG anyone?



One bad match against a well prepared boxer and a very tired Stephano. Yea ofcourse thats evidence he got figured out. Herp derp

So with you logic everytime someone loses a serie they have been figured out ?


How was boxer well prepared? He didn't know he was going to play stephano
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