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Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
December 11 2011 09:47 GMT
#461
On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:
This says it all....

http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50

The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +

Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra

Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock





but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.

LOL time for koreans to move to france to easily make the ''most'' part of 70k? I don't understand how someone could believe this themselves.


Anyway while prize money says allot there's some players who never win but yet have huge potential, players like Ret for the foreigners and Clide and Leenock before MLG.
We should stop trying to power rank foreigners constantly, there's tournaments everywhere around the globe and only a select few amount of people who visit all of them. Ever wonder why IEM has upsets like every tournament? Because they don't have an invite system. It's impossible to judge who the #1 foreigner is - even top 5 should be hard.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 11 2011 09:48 GMT
#462
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly


1) fOrGG plays the game 12 hours a day, but not ladder.
2) Many other Zergs have reached 70%+ on ladder, see 12 and 165 for people that have a higher winrate than Stephano atm
3) Stephano had a fresh MMR, while IdrA started off with his previous MMR.
4) Master and GM doesn't matter, MMR matters more.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 11 2011 09:48 GMT
#463
On December 11 2011 18:47 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.

You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.


All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.

Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.


you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski



Why would you make a statement like that if you don't know the facts? Do you really think that Stephano would get a new account into grandmasters within a couple of days?

The account had the highest mmr when Stephano started playing on it...


So then the previous owner got a good W/L ratio on it and you're saying stephano did it all? I don't get what you're trying to say here. And no sorry I don't follow stephanos every move like you people appear to do.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 11 2011 09:49 GMT
#464
On December 11 2011 18:47 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:
This says it all....

http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50

The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +

Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra

Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock





but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.

LOL time for koreans to move to france to easily make the ''most'' part of 70k? I don't understand how someone could believe this themselves.


Anyway while prize money says allot there's some players who never win but yet have huge potential, players like Ret for the foreigners and Clide and Leenock before MLG.
We should stop trying to power rank foreigners constantly, there's tournaments everywhere around the globe and only a select few amount of people who visit all of them. Ever wonder why IEM has upsets like every tournament? Because they don't have an invite system. It's impossible to judge who the #1 foreigner is - even top 5 should be hard.


Clide before MLG and after MLG was pretty much the same.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 11 2011 09:50 GMT
#465
On December 11 2011 18:44 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.

You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.


All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.

Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.


you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski



Once again you havent done you research buddy. He loaned this account when it was in high masters first day he played low GM. 2nd day he played high GM and l8r that evening got promoted to GM did you know that stephanos last 25 matches is GM is a 74% win ratio?

You so cute!. Those idra fanbous quite delusional but atleast do some research before you make statements that just make you look stupide



Steph is 70% on ladder atm, seems like he drops 5% everytime you speak son. Nice researching
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 11 2011 09:51 GMT
#466
On December 11 2011 18:48 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly


1) fOrGG plays the game 12 hours a day, but not ladder.
2) Many other Zergs have reached 70%+ on ladder, see 12 and 165 for people that have a higher winrate than Stephano atm
3) Stephano had a fresh MMR, while IdrA started off with his previous MMR.
4) Master and GM doesn't matter, MMR matters more.



Omfg Research buddy

2. thats not true there is only 3 zergs in the world above 70% win ratio. one is DRG other is Stephano and the third is unknown.

3. Again wrong. Stephano loaned a high masters account and played only low GM from first day. his last 25 matches got a +70% win ratio.

Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
December 11 2011 09:53 GMT
#467
On December 11 2011 18:48 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:47 Awesomeness wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.

You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.


All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.

Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.


you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski



Why would you make a statement like that if you don't know the facts? Do you really think that Stephano would get a new account into grandmasters within a couple of days?

The account had the highest mmr when Stephano started playing on it...


So then the previous owner got a good W/L ratio on it and you're saying stephano did it all? I don't get what you're trying to say here. And no sorry I don't follow stephanos every move like you people appear to do.


...what?

The mmr has nothing to do with the W/L-ratio and Stephano started playing at 0-0, because the account had no games on it in this new season.

You have obviously no idea what you are talking about.
xlord 5:0
FlyingDike
Profile Joined December 2011
United States221 Posts
December 11 2011 09:53 GMT
#468
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly

He doesn't practice 12 hours a day on ladder. Unlike NA players, he uses ladder as a training tool. From what I've heard, fOrGG went bio against polt every game on ladder before GSL and lost every game, but in the GSL, we saw polt get pulverized by fOrGG. Trust me, he doesn't take ladder seriously and don't get mindfucked like polt, who probably practiced against bio before the match.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 09:54:45
December 11 2011 09:54 GMT
#469
On December 11 2011 18:50 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:44 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.

You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.


All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.

Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.


you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski



Once again you havent done you research buddy. He loaned this account when it was in high masters first day he played low GM. 2nd day he played high GM and l8r that evening got promoted to GM did you know that stephanos last 25 matches is GM is a 74% win ratio?

You so cute!. Those idra fanbous quite delusional but atleast do some research before you make statements that just make you look stupide



Steph is 70% on ladder atm, seems like he drops 5% everytime you speak son. Nice researching


Jesus crist arguing with Idra fanboys is like trying to make a point to children in kindergarden. Anyway im done with this thread when people just spouting crap with no research what so ever whats the point.

Im just gonna say this last time to all the Idra fans: 51% stuck in masters Idra. 70%+ GM top 30 Stephano.

Now this must be veyr hard and painfull for you guys but facts its facts.

Cya you around

Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
December 11 2011 09:54 GMT
#470
On December 11 2011 18:48 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly


1) fOrGG plays the game 12 hours a day, but not ladder.
2) Many other Zergs have reached 70%+ on ladder, see 12 and 165 for people that have a higher winrate than Stephano atm
3) Stephano had a fresh MMR, while IdrA started off with his previous MMR.
4) Master and GM doesn't matter, MMR matters more.


Wrong. Stephano had an account with low GM MMR.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 11 2011 09:54 GMT
#471
On December 11 2011 18:51 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:48 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly


1) fOrGG plays the game 12 hours a day, but not ladder.
2) Many other Zergs have reached 70%+ on ladder, see 12 and 165 for people that have a higher winrate than Stephano atm
3) Stephano had a fresh MMR, while IdrA started off with his previous MMR.
4) Master and GM doesn't matter, MMR matters more.



Omfg Research buddy

2. thats not true there is only 3 zergs in the world above 70% win ratio. one is DRG other is Stephano and the third is unknown.

3. Again wrong. Stephano loaned a high masters account and played only low GM from first day. his last 25 matches got a +70% win ratio.



Why talk about the "world" if you're talking about KR ladder? and you specifically said ever reached 70%, that means past seasons as well...

Dream wasn't high masters before this.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 09:57:03
December 11 2011 09:56 GMT
#472
On December 11 2011 18:54 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:51 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:48 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly


1) fOrGG plays the game 12 hours a day, but not ladder.
2) Many other Zergs have reached 70%+ on ladder, see 12 and 165 for people that have a higher winrate than Stephano atm
3) Stephano had a fresh MMR, while IdrA started off with his previous MMR.
4) Master and GM doesn't matter, MMR matters more.



Omfg Research buddy

2. thats not true there is only 3 zergs in the world above 70% win ratio. one is DRG other is Stephano and the third is unknown.

3. Again wrong. Stephano loaned a high masters account and played only low GM from first day. his last 25 matches got a +70% win ratio.



Why talk about the "world" if you're talking about KR ladder? and you specifically said ever reached 70%, that means past seasons as well...

Dream wasn't high masters before this.


Dream was high masters before Stephano loaned his account wtf you on about I was fekcign watching Stephano stream the first day when he played his first match in Korea And he immidiatly started playing vs low GM and rank 1 masters.

Are you telling me my eyes are lying?
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
December 11 2011 09:57 GMT
#473
On December 11 2011 18:49 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:47 Bojas wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:
This says it all....

http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50

The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +

Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra

Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock





but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.

LOL time for koreans to move to france to easily make the ''most'' part of 70k? I don't understand how someone could believe this themselves.


Anyway while prize money says allot there's some players who never win but yet have huge potential, players like Ret for the foreigners and Clide and Leenock before MLG.
We should stop trying to power rank foreigners constantly, there's tournaments everywhere around the globe and only a select few amount of people who visit all of them. Ever wonder why IEM has upsets like every tournament? Because they don't have an invite system. It's impossible to judge who the #1 foreigner is - even top 5 should be hard.


Clide before MLG and after MLG was pretty much the same.

'' and Clide and Leenock before MLG. '' I am not sure what the correct spelling would be please correct me if I messed that sentence up, but isn't it clear that I mean them as individuals?
rekoJ
Profile Joined June 2011
Afghanistan106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 19:17:39
December 11 2011 10:03 GMT
#474
I love stephano playstyle,
GOGO STEPHANO!!!!!!!!!!
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 11 2011 10:04 GMT
#475
He's got a 70+% winrate on the KR GM ladder. That's pretty impressive.
I want to believe OP, but I don't want to be let down again...
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 10:05:27
December 11 2011 10:04 GMT
#476
Could someone point out to me Stephano's account in KR GM? An sc2ranks link maybe?

Edit: Is it this one? http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3282599/DreAm
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 11 2011 10:06 GMT
#477
On December 11 2011 19:04 ZenithM wrote:
Could someone point out to me Stephano's account in KR GM? An sc2ranks link maybe?

Edit: Is it this one? http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3282599/DreAm

Yeah.
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Subztance
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
December 11 2011 10:08 GMT
#478
On December 11 2011 18:57 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:49 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:47 Bojas wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:
This says it all....

http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50

The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +

Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra

Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock





but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.

LOL time for koreans to move to france to easily make the ''most'' part of 70k? I don't understand how someone could believe this themselves.


Anyway while prize money says allot there's some players who never win but yet have huge potential, players like Ret for the foreigners and Clide and Leenock before MLG.
We should stop trying to power rank foreigners constantly, there's tournaments everywhere around the globe and only a select few amount of people who visit all of them. Ever wonder why IEM has upsets like every tournament? Because they don't have an invite system. It's impossible to judge who the #1 foreigner is - even top 5 should be hard.


Clide before MLG and after MLG was pretty much the same.

'' and Clide and Leenock before MLG. '' I am not sure what the correct spelling would be please correct me if I messed that sentence up, but isn't it clear that I mean them as individuals?


It isn't clear, it can be read either way. given that Clide has no MLG results i knew what you meant though =P
yuri taeyeon
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
December 11 2011 10:10 GMT
#479
On December 11 2011 19:08 Subztance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:57 Bojas wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:49 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:47 Bojas wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:
This says it all....

http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50

The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +

Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra

Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock





but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.

LOL time for koreans to move to france to easily make the ''most'' part of 70k? I don't understand how someone could believe this themselves.


Anyway while prize money says allot there's some players who never win but yet have huge potential, players like Ret for the foreigners and Clide and Leenock before MLG.
We should stop trying to power rank foreigners constantly, there's tournaments everywhere around the globe and only a select few amount of people who visit all of them. Ever wonder why IEM has upsets like every tournament? Because they don't have an invite system. It's impossible to judge who the #1 foreigner is - even top 5 should be hard.


Clide before MLG and after MLG was pretty much the same.

'' and Clide and Leenock before MLG. '' I am not sure what the correct spelling would be please correct me if I messed that sentence up, but isn't it clear that I mean them as individuals?


It isn't clear, it can be read either way. given that Clide has no MLG results i knew what you meant though =P

So what would the correct way be?
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
December 11 2011 10:11 GMT
#480
On December 11 2011 18:54 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 18:51 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:48 ReaperX wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:37 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:
On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:
On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.


ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0


I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.


Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.

But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly


1) fOrGG plays the game 12 hours a day, but not ladder.
2) Many other Zergs have reached 70%+ on ladder, see 12 and 165 for people that have a higher winrate than Stephano atm
3) Stephano had a fresh MMR, while IdrA started off with his previous MMR.
4) Master and GM doesn't matter, MMR matters more.



Omfg Research buddy

2. thats not true there is only 3 zergs in the world above 70% win ratio. one is DRG other is Stephano and the third is unknown.

3. Again wrong. Stephano loaned a high masters account and played only low GM from first day. his last 25 matches got a +70% win ratio.



Why talk about the "world" if you're talking about KR ladder? and you specifically said ever reached 70%, that means past seasons as well...

Dream wasn't high masters before this.

According to the account's history, DreAm was masters from July 14th on.. He rose to GM on the 7th of December, which correct me if I'm wrong was when Stephano started playing on it. However, the account has not seen play before December 4th since September 24th.
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