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On December 11 2011 17:57 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 17:49 bonedriven wrote:On December 11 2011 17:46 BoggieMan wrote:
as Idra said in an interview
"stephano lost a macro game to boxer, boxer is not a macro player." He insulted two in one sentence!  saying boxer is not a macro player is not an insult towards boxer. Everyone knows he is not a macro player, he's really good at micro and smart builds that confuse the opponent, but he is not a strong macro player.
Just IdrA being IdrA. Amazing how fans squeeze the most drama out of every single quote...he counts on it 
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On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him.
ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0
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On December 11 2011 02:01 TheKefka wrote:
I guess Stephano is the new IdrA.
Except he loses more and his fans arn't as cool
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Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.
You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.
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This says it all....
http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50
The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising.
+ Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Overall $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
10. Stephano
While I think Stephano is the best foreigner, I think MVP has won too many tournements to be considered anything but the best. 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG, WCG..... isn't that everything? So MVP is the best until Stephano beats him in a best of 5.
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On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.
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On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.
Money is money. The shop keepers don't ask where its been.
Also your use of the word most is incorrect - http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/245/ilyes-satouri
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On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.
lol wtf are you talkign about most of Stephanos winning been from IPL 3 ESWC and ILP 4 uk qualifier that all had top koreans in. Do some research plz
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On December 11 2011 18:30 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money. Money is money. The shop keepers don't ask where its been.
but we're talking about skill here. It doesnn't matter how much money a tournament with little competition gives, he could win $200,000 from 1 tournament, but if it doesn't have koreans or at least top europeans and americans, it won't mean anything as far as skill goes. I can guarantee just about everyone in GSL code S that hasn't been to the finals makes less money than stephano, but all are leaps and bounds better than him and would absolutely demolish him.
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Fanboys vs. fanboys. It's great
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On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him. ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0
I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.
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On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.
Please stop posting, seriously. This is so wrong I don't even know where to start. His winning have mostly come from IPL3, ESWC and IPL4 UK qualifier. He didn't even play a french player in any of those tournaments as far as I know. I don't even know why I'm replying to you.
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On December 11 2011 18:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Top Koreans $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
but You do realize that most of stephanos winnings have been in french only tournaments which didn't really have any koreans at all, or any of the other top european or american players, right? That's like saying Idra would be the best player in the world because if he moved to some country that held its own tournaments with no outsiders he would make a ton of money.
Did you fall on your head? o_O Tell me that these are french only tournaments : IPL3, ESWC, IPL4 qualifiers. These 3 "french only tournaments" put him first in earnings among the foreigners.
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On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.
You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners.
All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG.
Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.
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On December 11 2011 18:34 FlyingDike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:10 HappyChris wrote:On December 11 2011 17:18 FlyingDike wrote:
Why are there so many fanboys for foreign zerg players? Idra is trash yet he has more fans than most korean players. Stephano is also nothing special.. If you want to see true talent watch fOrGG's stream, even BW replays of S class players will suffice. They truly are several tiers above him. ForGG you mean the Terran Stephano dominate everytime they meet o.0 I don't know what their record is against each other on ladder, but I promise you, fOrGG doesn't take ladder very seriously. I heard recently that stephano lives in the oGs house now (not sure if this is true), but if so, then stephano probably practices with him all the time and probably blind countered his build. Anyway, I stay firm in my claim that fOrGG is tiers above stephano God Young-Ho or other S class players make stephano look like a mental handicap.
Really becuase he destroys every other zerg on ladder. He 5-0 Idra. ofcourse thats not hard todo.
But saying he dont take ladder serious when he practise 12 hours a day on it is just silly
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On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.
You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners. All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG. Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan.
you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski
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On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Overall $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
10. Stephano
While I think Stephano is the best foreigner, I think MVP has won too many tournements to be considered anything but the best. 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG, WCG..... isn't that everything? So MVP is the best until Stephano beats him in a best of 5.
That's so retarded. HuK's recent MLG win is worth more than Stephano's ESWC and IPL3 wins.
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On December 11 2011 18:42 ReaperX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:20 dsousa wrote:This says it all.... http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50The rest is BS, pro's play for money. Stephano is the top foreigner and rising. + Show Spoiler +
Foreigners $$
1. Stephano
2. Huk
3. Naniwa
4. Sen
5. Idra
6. White-Ra
Overall $$
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
4. Puma
5. Polt
6. MarineKing
7. MMA
8. Fruitdealer
9. Leenock
10. Stephano
While I think Stephano is the best foreigner, I think MVP has won too many tournements to be considered anything but the best. 3 GSL's, Blizzcon, MLG, WCG..... isn't that everything? So MVP is the best until Stephano beats him in a best of 5. That's so retarded. HuK's recent MLG win is worth more than Stephano's ESWC and IPL3 wins.
shhh using logic angers the stephano fans, they don't like it. You can't bring up the amount of competition said tournaments had, only money won, until of course other foreigners win a lot more money than stephano, then you will only be allowed to bring up his awesome ladder record.
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On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.
You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners. All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG. Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan. you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski
Once again you havent done you research buddy. He loaned this account when it was in high masters first day he played low GM. 2nd day he played high GM and l8r that evening got promoted to GM did you know that stephanos last 25 matches is GM is a 74% win ratio?
You so cute!. Those idra fanbous quite delusional but atleast do some research before you make statements that just make you look stupide
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On December 11 2011 18:41 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 18:35 HappyChris wrote:On December 11 2011 18:15 reptile wrote:
Stephano is not the best foreigner.. to say that is absurd. It's far to early to lay such claims. And as for all of the EG/IdrA bashing, you couldn't be more off. Look at IdrA, HuK, and Puma and who they've been going up against; they've all improved. Even the less significant players of EG, who've hardly gotten any notice in the past, have begun to make impressive improvements. Look at DeMuslim; he grows in popularity after every tournament.
You've already acknowledged how quickly players can rise and all, yet you're this quick to jump on Stephano as the best foreigner... Meanwhile HuK and IdrA continue to perform on a consistent level, taking entire tournaments as well as being the top placed foreigners. All I got to say 51% win ratio Idra Master. Stephano 73% win ratio GM top 25 put things into perspective dont it?. The only other zerg in the world that got over 70% win ratio on the korean GM is DRG. Beside that what a shit thread I doubt the op is even a Stephano fan. you're talking korean ladder? where stephano made a new account and got to pad his W/L by playing noobs on a new account, where idras MMR started off facing all the pros like he was before he left korea? Hmmm.... nice logic there broski
Why would you make a statement like that if you don't know the facts? Do you really think that Stephano would get a new account into grandmasters within a couple of days?
The account had the highest mmr when Stephano started playing on it...
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