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where is the thread of quantic/ST partnership? :D
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On December 10 2011 19:32 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter). But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal. And why is someone comparing EG with col? AG didn't say that exposure is more important than skill, he said they are looking for skilled players, but they should also be marketable. And in sc2 EG didn't throw/sold a player from the team like col (only grubby and inka left because they wanted to leave. well and maybe Tastless but that's another story).
Inka was kicked off eg. He didnt leave.
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Good words Nani, made an even bigger fan, and somehow starting to dislike Col, no mater how cool Jason Lake comes anytime he has a camera on himself.
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On December 10 2011 19:34 QxGRockEr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:32 Hardigan wrote:On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter). But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal. And why is someone comparing EG with col? AG didn't say that exposure is more important than skill, he said they are looking for skilled players, but they should also be marketable. And in sc2 EG didn't throw/sold a player from the team like col (only grubby and inka left because they wanted to leave. well and maybe Tastless but that's another story). Inka was kicked off eg. He didnt leave by choice.
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On December 10 2011 19:08 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:02 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie  No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful  You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not. If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol. .....and you claim you were GM? It's now proven that you're no higher than Diamond. A 1 cannon FFE is by no means safe without a decent scout. He held it off because he scouted it the first game due to Leenock showing the roaches. He did not hold off the other ones due to Leenock playing better and preventing the scout (or interpret this as Naniwa playing worse and not scouting better). Regardless, you just proved your own point wrong -- he played worse than Leenock that day, thus was the worse player. You're a lowleaguer and know nothing of sc2 lol. Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:04 jnsjr wrote:
Naniwa held it off in that one game because Leenock messed up and showed his roaches to his zealot, which allowed Naniwa time to get up more cannons. In the other games he didn't scout the roaches and wasn't able to hold it with a single cannon. Roach rush is a known hard counter to FFE with one cannon, as is three quick hatch. Seeing how Nestea, one of the best zerg macro players in the world, lost going for 3 quick hatch against Naniwa's 2 base timing after his FFE, it's no surprise Leenock decided to roach rush to punish it. Precisely.
You're so clueless I won't even bother argumenting with you because you're a lowleaguer and you don't understand pro games, mkay? Maybe in your diamond league that you claim to be (which is still a lowleague), the "forge expand with one cannon no matter what you see" is a build, it isn't here. Naniwa said himself he played poorly. Sheth tried to roach ling all in him in Dreamhack. What happened? he defended it because he scouted better that time. And "leenock beat naniwa with 4 all ins, therefor he's better" k. By your sick logic, bitbybit.prime is better than haypro then? oGstheSTC is better than Idra. Catz is better than nestea.
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On December 10 2011 16:06 Gotmog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:18 HappyChris wrote:
Great interview I actually agree with Naniwa the scene is very much a popularity contest. Instead it should be a competition of skills.
I see it alot from the US team they seem to be very good at PR and are really good at hyping there players. Take EG as an example EG with Huk/Puma/Idra as superstar champions? I'd rather take TL with their whole rooster,besides Hero i guess, lagging behind right now, but we all LOVE them because of how awesome they are, each in their own way.
But why are the superstars? Thats the quistion?. Huk and Idra result been horrible many other foreigners or koreans for that matter got much better results l8tly. Huk won MLG ill give him that but he was seeded in the pool bracket. Huk is a wonderfull player dont get me wrong he is just so inconsistent. Idra well not much to say about him His IEM china win he won vs a protoss player Elfi that cant play PvZ thats it.
You see Huk and Idra and puma in korean standard are just average top players. Many foreigners and koreans got better results. Stephano,Naniwa,Sen,Sase and for Puma pretty much every code S player got better result then him.
But still the EG hype machine has somehow convinced the fans that they are the best in the world and that isnt the case fare from it. And when they loses its jetlag to much travel or some other 3rd factor. When in reality is that the hype and overexposure from EG and there PR machine dont justify there actually skill level.
Thats what I mean by a popularity contest.
So I do think Naniwa is right to much popularity and to less competition of skills.
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On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. Show nested quote +What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten.
Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said:
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.
Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality.
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On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter).
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seriously?
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On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: Show nested quote +In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality.
The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars.
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On December 10 2011 19:49 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Unless being a basement troll is the standard you're living up to, yes, seriously. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter). ಠ_ಠ seriously?
Unless being a basement troll is the standard you're living up to, yes, seriously.
You are mixing up two things, one is to have charisma and the other is to be an actor.
As I said Incontrol is kept by EG neither because of his results (he has none) nor because of his personnality (not appealing to the community), but because he chose, in order to keep having a role in EG, since he couldn't fill the two conditions I exposed, to play the actor for EG and try to market their brand and sponsors.
EG accepted because he represented the archetyp of a north american gamer,so they could picture themselves in his shoes: fat, no job, trollish and bullied by a majority of people. Add to this signs of social success like a big house, a dog, and a former model "girl friend" all provided by EG, and you will have a "fanbase".
Then, as long as he can, and since he is being invited to every show that has a north american audience, for he is friend with their hosts or they are friends with EG, present EG's brand and sponsors, he will have a place, although his place and fanbase is all built and provided by EG itself, as he chose to play the scenario they wrote.
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On December 10 2011 19:39 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:08 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 18:02 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not. If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol. .....and you claim you were GM? It's now proven that you're no higher than Diamond. A 1 cannon FFE is by no means safe without a decent scout. He held it off because he scouted it the first game due to Leenock showing the roaches. He did not hold off the other ones due to Leenock playing better and preventing the scout (or interpret this as Naniwa playing worse and not scouting better). Regardless, you just proved your own point wrong -- he played worse than Leenock that day, thus was the worse player. You're a lowleaguer and know nothing of sc2 lol. On December 10 2011 19:04 jnsjr wrote:
Naniwa held it off in that one game because Leenock messed up and showed his roaches to his zealot, which allowed Naniwa time to get up more cannons. In the other games he didn't scout the roaches and wasn't able to hold it with a single cannon. Roach rush is a known hard counter to FFE with one cannon, as is three quick hatch. Seeing how Nestea, one of the best zerg macro players in the world, lost going for 3 quick hatch against Naniwa's 2 base timing after his FFE, it's no surprise Leenock decided to roach rush to punish it. Precisely. You're so clueless I won't even bother argumenting with you because you're a lowleaguer and you don't understand pro games, mkay? Maybe in your diamond league that you claim to be (which is still a lowleague), the "forge expand with one cannon no matter what you see" is a build, it isn't here. Naniwa said himself he played poorly. Sheth tried to roach ling all in him in Dreamhack. What happened? he defended it because he scouted better that time. And "leenock beat naniwa with 4 all ins, therefor he's better" k. By your sick logic, bitbybit.prime is better than haypro then? oGstheSTC is better than Idra. Catz is better than nestea.
God, you really are a moron. Didn't say I was in Diamond, lol, said you proved you must be in Diamond based on how stupid your analysis of Naniwa vs. Leenock series is.
Multiple people have chimed in telling you about your flawed view on that series.
That is all. Good bye Diamond-leaguer. Also, all that shit you included in the end of your paragraph...just lol. Strawman much.
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On December 10 2011 19:40 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 16:06 Gotmog wrote:On December 10 2011 09:18 HappyChris wrote:
Great interview I actually agree with Naniwa the scene is very much a popularity contest. Instead it should be a competition of skills.
I see it alot from the US team they seem to be very good at PR and are really good at hyping there players. Take EG as an example EG with Huk/Puma/Idra as superstar champions? I'd rather take TL with their whole rooster,besides Hero i guess, lagging behind right now, but we all LOVE them because of how awesome they are, each in their own way. But why are the superstars? Thats the quistion?. Huk and Idra result been horrible many other foreigners or koreans for that matter got much better results l8tly. Huk won MLG ill give him that but he was seeded in the pool bracket. Huk is a wonderfull player dont get me wrong he is just so inconsistent. Idra well not much to say about him His IEM china win he won vs a protoss player Elfi that cant play PvZ thats it. You see Huk and Idra and puma in korean standard are just average top players. Many foreigners and koreans got better results. Stephano,Naniwa,Sen,Sase and for Puma pretty much every code S player got better result then him. But still the EG hype machine has somehow convinced the fans that they are the best in the world and that isnt the case fare from it. And when they loses its jetlag to much travel or some other 3rd factor. When in reality is that the hype and overexposure from EG and there PR machine dont justify there actually skill level. Thats what I mean by a popularity contest. So I do think Naniwa is right to much popularity and to less competition of skills.
I agree 100%. I think sooner or later people will favor players that win. Sure having thousands of viewers on streams make the fans happy and thus the sponsors happy but is it more important than winning a GSL? Koreans win because they can focus on the game and while foreigners are busy doing the marketing for their teams they will never catch up. Is it better to have a star or a highly dedicated player that is supported by thousands of viewers going against the Koreans?
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On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars.
Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature
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On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature
Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement.
Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand?
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On December 10 2011 18:31 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:29 aksfjh wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. I bet they'd trade Axslav for him though... Is Axlav a popular figure? Is he charismatic? Has he lots of fans? Than why bring it up?
Poor Axslav ahaha
Get randomly bashed xD
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naniwa is an amazing player and has the approach to the game that is needed to be a champion. i really hope to see him and sase tear shit up in 2012
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On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand?
How am I insulting you? You're calling me and others on TL 3year olds, I call you dumb because your posts are just full off nonsence, you constantly go offtopic or change your mind and your points are often just plain lies. You say you're a fan of naniwa, you obviously aren't. Calling someone worthless and then saying he doesn't give a shit about his fans while he's ontop of thanking his fans in every interview (including the interview of the fucking topic we're posting in right now!) is not being a huge fan . And there's a huuuuge difference between "Naniwa is a waste of money, there is no money to be earned with him" and "skill is not the only thing a team is looking for". Those 2 sentances completely contradicts each other. I understand you're from romania so perhaps expressing yourself in english isn't easy for you but I think even google translate could do a better job here.
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On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.
This is senseless what ifs.. He earned that place... btw he won MLG from an open bracket, going undefeated 26-0...
No koreans blablabla
So many people want to take away ppls achievements.
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On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.
He also beat MVP and NesTea once again in that mini tournament whatever it was called. ( the same weekend as MLG)
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This is great, could'nt be more awesome, NaNiwa and SaSe in the same team, my favorite players!
And why hate if he changes teams or not, he still delivers and proves that he's one of the best players in the world.. its just even better that he does that while he is happier outside the game!
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