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On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: Show nested quote +In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality.
you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him  i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums
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On December 10 2011 21:13 JBanKs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:06 karpo wrote:On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. You're right that as a professional you should try and promote your sponsors. But it seems like some teams put fame and likeability over results and that's sucks. This is a sport, not wrestling and top level play should be the main focus while marketability comes 2nd. I guess SC2 isn't large enough yet though. If you compare it to others sports like soccer you'd never see Barcelona or Manchester United use crappy players just for exposure. The game comes first, and if you don't put up results you won't matter anyways. but Man united and Barcelona use their best players, their most known and famous players to advertise brands
Man U and Barcelona could use crappy players and still win because of the refs...
Naniwa fighting!
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On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums
NaNiWa told coL he wants to get sold, they werent the ones initiating it. I like how you just make up random stuff when you havent watched the interview or read about it. Also iNcontroL wouldnt be worth more to EG than Naniwa if it wasnt for the fact that he's some sort of mini-coach for the team. If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more.
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On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums
Did you even watch the video at the start? Naniwa clearly said it was his choice. They sold him to Quantic because he wanted to go there. Complexity didn't actively try to get rid of naniwa, Naniwa tried to actively get rid of complexity. Get your facts straight. And you don't think naniwa is more valuable than Catz/Incontrol? Then you're just deadwrong, not much more to discuss.
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On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player.
Actually you are way off target.
Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time?
Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid.
Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever.
I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda 
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On December 10 2011 21:22 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums NaNiWa told coL he wants to get sold, they werent the ones initiating it. I like how you just make up random stuff when you havent watched the interview or read about it. Also iNcontroL wouldnt be worth more to EG than Naniwa if it wasnt for the fact that he's some sort of mini-coach for the team. If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more. I'd be very surprised if naniwa makes more money than incontrol. He might be a million times the better player, but Incontrol's media committments and brand recognition would be worth $$$. When you watch the EG house tour, Idra's not the one with the massive pimped out bedroom.
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On December 10 2011 21:25 joshboy42 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:22 thirnaz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums NaNiWa told coL he wants to get sold, they werent the ones initiating it. I like how you just make up random stuff when you havent watched the interview or read about it. Also iNcontroL wouldnt be worth more to EG than Naniwa if it wasnt for the fact that he's some sort of mini-coach for the team. If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more. I'd be very surprised if naniwa makes more money than incontrol. He might be a million times the better player, but Incontrol's media committments and brand recognition would be worth $$$. When you watch the EG house tour, Idra's not the one with the massive pimped out bedroom.
If that's true then it's kinda sad tbh. It's like i said earlier, the most popular in others sports are 99.9% of cases the top end players. In Starcraft we see more of the wrestling/mma kind of fans where the showy talkative types can get more cred than the ones who keep their heads down and produce results.
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On December 10 2011 21:22 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums NaNiWa told coL he wants to get sold, they werent the ones initiating it. I like how you just make up random stuff when you havent watched the interview or read about it. Also iNcontroL wouldnt be worth more to EG than Naniwa if it wasnt for the fact that he's some sort of mini-coach for the team. If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more.
who says i'm solely talking about coL? and even in the coL case, both sides tell different stories, why am i supposed to believe this side of the story? and yes, if apples were tomatoes, they wouldn't be apples anymore. and noone's arguing about the fact that naniwa's performances are better than incontrol's but that's not what it's all about despite what you might wish.
On December 10 2011 21:22 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums Did you even watch the video at the start? Naniwa clearly said it was his choice. They sold him to Quantic because he wanted to go there. Complexity didn't actively try to get rid of naniwa, Naniwa tried to actively get rid of complexity. Get your facts straight. And you don't think naniwa is more valuable than Catz/Incontrol? Then you're just deadwrong, not much more to discuss.
again, both sides different story, your choice to believe naniwa's story, doesn't make me have to do it. "get your facts straight " good to know you actually know all the facts. and yes, i don't think he is, as merz said, it's not all about your performance, otherwise, again, naniwa would still be in his former teams. unless of course the release statements there were propaganda, too, and it was actually naniwa wanting to leave
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Best of Luck Naniwa!!
Naniwa fighting!!
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On December 10 2011 21:22 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more (than incontrol).
I dont think so.
The amount of exposure that EG gets through incontrol is worth a lot more to that company than a good player that is bad at exposing his team.
Why do you think major isnt on the big teams, because he isnt good at the game?
He is great at the game but major is just not the guy that is good at advertising stuff and pleasing his sponsors.
Just like naniwa isnt as good as incontrol in that regard, not even close.
For example, i could never tell you what companies sponsor complexity, because coL players arent as good about advertising them as EG, of which i pretty much know all sponsors because incontrol and co mention them every time they are in front of a camera.
Pair that with the fact that incontrol is in front of the camera a lot more often than naniwa and we have a clear winner regarding who is better at drawing attention to his team
You are so wrong about your assumption its incredibad.
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This is what growing up is all about, when the right thing to do is not always the best thing to do.
The faster the players get it that they need to be marketable the better. As someone here stated, EG doesn't have the best players but we all have that impression from the awesome PR they are doing.
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On December 10 2011 09:28 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:25 mapthesoul wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you kidding me? He beat both MVP and Nestea (twice) at MLG + DRG and Huk. I'm not talking about the global invitational. Nestea also lost a game to Idra, Kiwikaki and two to Haypro. He clearly was not playing anywhere near his best. And the last time Huk won a PvP in a best of x was in Orlando. That's a long time ago.
he won over hero in a pvp before he faced naniwa....get your facts right pls
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On December 10 2011 21:34 MepHiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:22 thirnaz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums NaNiWa told coL he wants to get sold, they werent the ones initiating it. I like how you just make up random stuff when you havent watched the interview or read about it. Also iNcontroL wouldnt be worth more to EG than Naniwa if it wasnt for the fact that he's some sort of mini-coach for the team. If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more. who says i'm solely talking about coL? and even in the coL case, both sides tell different stories, why am i supposed to believe this side of the story? and yes, if apples were tomatoes, they wouldn't be apples anymore. and noone's arguing about the fact that naniwa's performances are better than incontrol's but that's not what it's all about despite what you might wish. Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:22 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums Did you even watch the video at the start? Naniwa clearly said it was his choice. They sold him to Quantic because he wanted to go there. Complexity didn't actively try to get rid of naniwa, Naniwa tried to actively get rid of complexity. Get your facts straight. And you don't think naniwa is more valuable than Catz/Incontrol? Then you're just deadwrong, not much more to discuss. again, both sides different story, your choice to believe naniwa's story, doesn't make me have to do it. "get your facts straight " good to know you actually know all the facts. and yes, i don't think he is, as merz said, it's not all about your performance, otherwise, again, naniwa would still be in his former teams. unless of course the release statements there were propaganda, too, and it was actually naniwa wanting to leave
I'm pretty sure most of these teams didn't kick him, but he left.
And please correct me if I'm wrong, but dignitas did not oppose to continue their run with Naniwa, but he wanted more support, and dignitas didn't want to spend that much for one single player, and that's why they chose not to prolong his contract with dignitas.
Not that he didn't behave.
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So the most important thing that Naniwa has said that verifies his side of the story is the comment he made about wanting to play and team up with SaSe. I know for a fact that SaSe and Naniwa are good friends, they respect each other and get along really well. You might think this isn't enough motivation to team-switch but I would suggest that's because you've never experienced the kind of isolation you get from being a foreigner, alone in Korea. I can't imagine a stronger motivator than wanting to have some damn company over there.
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Naniwa you are the pride of Europe, keep it up man!
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On December 10 2011 21:13 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:
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if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy Oh boy, hating on school is so old-fashioned. Sorry if you droped out early, but don't feel like it is an accomplishment you can brag about to people that chose a different path. actually it was an implication that your logic and reasoning is childish. Thats why i said grade schooler, and not high schooler, or university student or something. I wasnt 'hating on school'. Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:37 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:
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if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy You're taking my sentance out of context to make it seem like something else, so fucking immature. I was asking how I was insulting him any worse than him when he's calling everyone 3year olds? But fine: You make incontrols girlfriend marketable Is this what you said? No. So don't post unless you can manage to use the quote system properly you immature prick. Yeah, thats totally the same. You FLAT OUT insulted him, and then asked How am i insulting you? You didnt ask, ''how is my insult worse? How is what i said unfair, after all that you've said?'' Nope, you asked where you insulted him, and then you write that you called him dumb. Thats not taking shit out of context. I dont understand how warped your mind needs to be not to comprehend this.
Well you can't be really serious if you pick out your hurted feelings to sustain your argumentation, especially if the goal you presented is to expose childishness. That said, when you feel superior enough to predict someone's graduation level over the net, and yet fail to understand the reverse tongue-in-cheek, I can't help but feel like I litteraly haven't been wrong.
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On December 10 2011 21:22 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums Did you even watch the video at the start? Naniwa clearly said it was his choice. They sold him to Quantic because he wanted to go there. Complexity didn't actively try to get rid of naniwa, Naniwa tried to actively get rid of complexity. Get your facts straight. And you don't think naniwa is more valuable than Catz/Incontrol? Then you're just deadwrong, not much more to discuss.
i like how those are the "facts" because it's the side naniwa said.
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On December 10 2011 21:34 MepHiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:22 thirnaz wrote:On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums NaNiWa told coL he wants to get sold, they werent the ones initiating it. I like how you just make up random stuff when you havent watched the interview or read about it. Also iNcontroL wouldnt be worth more to EG than Naniwa if it wasnt for the fact that he's some sort of mini-coach for the team. If you look at his appearances and results alone Naniwa would be worth so much more. who says i'm solely talking about coL? and even in the coL case, both sides tell different stories, why am i supposed to believe this side of the story? and yes, if apples were tomatoes, they wouldn't be apples anymore. and noone's arguing about the fact that naniwa's performances are better than incontrol's but that's not what it's all about despite what you might wish. Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:22 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 21:18 MepHiii wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. you, sir, are actually wrong. you don't realise the whole story, else why do you think are naniwa's teams actively trying to get rid of him i'm pretty sure if you asked a hypothetical team that has worked with both incontrol/catz and naniwa, who they would like to pick up, it won't be naniwa they will be shooting for. don't bet your life when all you know about the situation is that which you read on TL forums Did you even watch the video at the start? Naniwa clearly said it was his choice. They sold him to Quantic because he wanted to go there. Complexity didn't actively try to get rid of naniwa, Naniwa tried to actively get rid of complexity. Get your facts straight. And you don't think naniwa is more valuable than Catz/Incontrol? Then you're just deadwrong, not much more to discuss. again, both sides different story, your choice to believe naniwa's story, doesn't make me have to do it. "get your facts straight " good to know you actually know all the facts. and yes, i don't think he is, as merz said, it's not all about your performance, otherwise, again, naniwa would still be in his former teams. unless of course the release statements there were propaganda, too, and it was actually naniwa wanting to leave
But what are you talking about now? Naniwa would still be in his former teams? Who said he got kicked out of any? He left dignitas because he wanted into a korean pro house. Complexity was one of the only organization with a korean partnership so he joined them. Then as soon as it got out that Startale was going to become partners with Quantic, he instantly switched aswell. Coincidence? No. It's like he said, it didn't matter if he had been in complexity for 1 month or 10 years. MVP house didn't help at all, he played a maximum of 10 games in the MVP players.
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On December 10 2011 21:25 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. Actually you are way off target. Do you really think every pro soccer player is mr niceguy, doing promotions allt the time? Nope, and if they do any, they get massively paid. Many pro soccer players don't even do interviews. Ever. I think your comment is just a case of "the mascot" still being a sad panda
If a soccer player calls an opponent "just an idiot" and generally BMs even the half of how Narniwa BMs, in 2 seasons he's playing for FC Bakers United in the 4th league. Pls.
Maybe complexity will lay their cards on the table as well after this, I'm really curious to hear both sides of the story.
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On December 10 2011 21:45 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 21:13 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:37 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:
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What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched.
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I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion.
That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy Oh boy, hating on school is so old-fashioned. Sorry if you droped out early, but don't feel like it is an accomplishment you can brag about to people that chose a different path. actually it was an implication that your logic and reasoning is childish. Thats why i said grade schooler, and not high schooler, or university student or something. I wasnt 'hating on school'. On December 10 2011 20:37 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:
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What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched.
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I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion.
That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy You're taking my sentance out of context to make it seem like something else, so fucking immature. I was asking how I was insulting him any worse than him when he's calling everyone 3year olds? But fine: You make incontrols girlfriend marketable Is this what you said? No. So don't post unless you can manage to use the quote system properly you immature prick. Yeah, thats totally the same. You FLAT OUT insulted him, and then asked How am i insulting you? You didnt ask, ''how is my insult worse? How is what i said unfair, after all that you've said?'' Nope, you asked where you insulted him, and then you write that you called him dumb. Thats not taking shit out of context. I dont understand how warped your mind needs to be not to comprehend this. Well you can't be really serious if you pick out your hurted feelings to sustain your argumentation, especially if the goal you presented is to expose childishness. That said, when you feel superior enough to predict someone's graduation level over the net, and yet fail to understand the reverse tongue-in-cheek, I can't help but feel like I litteraly haven't been wrong.
Is this real life?
Carry on lads.
Fake edit: Go nani! >.>
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