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On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? You're calling me and others on TL 3year olds, I call you dumb because your posts are just full off nonsence, you constantly go offtopic or change your mind and your points are often just plain lies. You say you're a fan of naniwa, you obviously aren't. Calling someone worthless and then saying he doesn't give a shit about his fans while he's ontop of thanking his fans in every interview (including the interview of the fucking topic we're posting in right now!) is not being a huge fan  . And there's a huuuuge difference between "Naniwa is a waste of money, there is no money to be earned with him" and "skill is not the only thing a team is looking for". Those 2 sentances completely contradicts each other. I understand you're from romania so perhaps expressing yourself in english isn't easy for you but I think even google translate could do a better job here.
Go play in your Diamond league boy cause the forum is too hard for you to understand and follow. Your last post proved that you don't understand anything. You're a waste of time to anyone who replies to you. Cya.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 10 2011 19:32 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter). But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal.
Actually you can't honestly decide yourself of the opinion of silent people. Popularity is by definition defined by what is vocalized, fans aren't voiceless either. You will find alot of hype and positives posts on reddit about popular players, and that is what being popular stands for, so yes when the majority of posts are hate posts, you can affirm of someone's impopularity.
And having support and a hardcore fanbase nonetheless, despite not being the majority of people, doesn't mean that this fanbase comes for you personnaly for what you are and stands for, but mostly here in this case by sympathy for being in NA's most popular team.
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Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so.
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On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you?
And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy
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He lost some weight right?
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On December 10 2011 09:10 m3rciless wrote:
AHahahaha complexity so stupid. Who the fuck cares if catz hits 5k? NaNi fighting!
Amen, NANI HWAITING!
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On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:
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clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy
You're taking my sentance out of context to make it seem like something else, so fucking immature. I was asking how I was insulting him any worse than him when he's calling everyone 3year olds? But fine:
You make
incontrols
girlfriend
marketable
Is this what you said? No. So don't post unless you can manage to use the quote system properly you immature prick.
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On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:
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clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy
Oh boy, hating on school is so old-fashioned. Sorry if you droped out early, but don't feel like it is an accomplishment you can brag about to people that chose a different path.
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I don't even know who Catz is or how he looks like Oo' Nani fighting.
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On December 10 2011 20:23 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 19:32 Hardigan wrote:On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter). But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal. Actually you can't honestly decide yourself of the opinion of silent people. Popularity is by definition defined by what is vocalized, fans aren't voiceless either. You will find alot of hype and positives posts on reddit about popular players, and that is what being popular stands for, so yes when the majority of posts are hate posts, you can affirm of someone's impopularity. And having support and a hardcore fanbase nonetheless, despite not being the majority of people, doesn't mean that this fanbase comes for you personnaly for what you are and stands for, but mostly here in this case by sympathy for being in NA's most popular team.
you surely can NOT do that and trust reddit. Honestly: what is easier to make and stings more out: A positive post about a player or completly shittalk about one? What gets more attention? what is easier or makes you more ""obligated"" to write? Always the negativ feedback. It's not a sc2 thing, it's an internet/anonymity thing.
I know that you can't really count the fans, i give you that, but still, denying that Incontrol is not popular is just wrong. Remember the two episodes of state of the game where Incontrol wasn't in it anymore??
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On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so.
This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials.
If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks.
It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player.
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Naniwa I'm a big fan! Don't listen to the haters!
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On December 10 2011 20:47 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:23 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 19:32 Hardigan wrote:On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter). But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal. Actually you can't honestly decide yourself of the opinion of silent people. Popularity is by definition defined by what is vocalized, fans aren't voiceless either. You will find alot of hype and positives posts on reddit about popular players, and that is what being popular stands for, so yes when the majority of posts are hate posts, you can affirm of someone's impopularity. And having support and a hardcore fanbase nonetheless, despite not being the majority of people, doesn't mean that this fanbase comes for you personnaly for what you are and stands for, but mostly here in this case by sympathy for being in NA's most popular team. you surely can NOT do that and trust reddit. Honestly: what is easier to make and stings more out: A positive post about a player or completly shittalk about one? What gets more attention? what is easier or makes you more ""obligated"" to write? Always the negativ feedback. It's not a sc2 thing, it's an internet/anonymity thing. I know that you can't really count the fans, i give you that, but still, denying that Incontrol is not popular is just wrong. Remember the two episodes of state of the game where Incontrol wasn't in it anymore??
Yeah I'm ok with viewers from sotg missing him, as sotg has a very precise and dedicated fanbase focused around NA and EG, because of the time zone and the protagonists invited (switching between sotg, lo3, itg...), but it doesn't mean that this fanbase as vocal and supportive as it is representative of what the majority of the sc2 community think about him.
That's why, despite having support, I don't say the support he gets grants him being popular among the community, as it doesn't come from a group of people that stands for the majority.
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Very nice interview! You guys from UpCloseGamres are just awesome!
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Kind of funny how CoL priorities, anyway now when the Korean starting to streams I don't think CatZ will be getting as many viewers, just watching ForGG now with 5k. :D
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Good luck, Naniwa!
Seems pretty obvious that this was the best possible decision for him
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On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player.
You're right that as a professional you should try and promote your sponsors. But it seems like some teams put fame and likeability over results and that's sucks. This is a sport, not wrestling and top level play should be the main focus while marketability comes 2nd. I guess SC2 isn't large enough yet though.
If you compare it to others sports like soccer you'd never see Barcelona or Manchester United use crappy players just for exposure. The game comes first, and if you don't put up results you won't matter anyways.
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On December 10 2011 21:06 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. You're right that as a professional you should try and promote your sponsors. But it seems like some teams put fame and likeability over results and that's sucks. This is a sport, not wrestling and top level play should be the main focus while marketability comes 2nd. I guess SC2 isn't large enough yet though. If you compare it to others sports like soccer you'd never see Barcelona or Manchester United use crappy players just for exposure. The game comes first, and if you don't put up results you won't matter anyways.
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On December 10 2011 21:06 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:56 dignitas.merz wrote:On December 10 2011 20:25 resilve wrote:
Naniwa is exactly the kind of player that needs to be supported by the fans.What matters in this game is how good you are at starcraft2, not how good you are at blogging or replying to forum posts.
A true champion will often look heartless and cuthroat when he makes moves that are for the good of his career, and it is right that he should do so. This is wrong though. Of course skill and results should always speak the highest, but players need to realize there's more to being a professional gamer than just playing the game. Your skill alone got you to where you are now, and it's not like you will fall off the map because you help out your sponsors, your team, by doing different sponsor events and such. Just look at IdrA. He's still one of the best Zergs outside of korea and he's still putting up results, yet he streams, he even acts in commercials. If you look at any other sport this is true there as well. You see the top sportstars doing promotional videos and commercials for their sponsors, because in the end, they are the ones writing your checks. It should be a mutual cooperation where your team helps you out i.e sends you to events, pays you a salary, and you help them out by helping out with sponsor stuff, doing PR things for your team etc. Saying "Well I''ll simply play and you'll get exposure whenever I go to events I guess" doesn't nearly make their investment worth it, and this goes for any player. You're right that as a professional you should try and promote your sponsors. But it seems like some teams put fame and likeability over results and that's sucks. This is a sport, not wrestling and top level play should be the main focus while marketability comes 2nd. I guess SC2 isn't large enough yet though. If you compare it to others sports like soccer you'd never see Barcelona or Manchester United use crappy players just for exposure. The game comes first, and if you don't put up results you won't matter anyways.
but Man united and Barcelona use their best players, their most known and famous players to advertise brands
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On December 10 2011 20:37 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
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Love this kind of comments.
And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.
if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy Oh boy, hating on school is so old-fashioned. Sorry if you droped out early, but don't feel like it is an accomplishment you can brag about to people that chose a different path.
actually it was an implication that your logic and reasoning is childish. Thats why i said grade schooler, and not high schooler, or university student or something. I wasnt 'hating on school'.
On December 10 2011 20:37 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:25 TheAntZ wrote:On December 10 2011 20:11 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 20:01 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:57 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:51 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 19:45 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 19:21 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
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Love this kind of comments.
And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.
if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for. What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched. What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion. That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten. Ok fine let's compare with incontrol. Here's a quote of what you said: In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. Incontrol is worth more for a company than naniwa is? I can bet you my life that naniwa gets payed higher tho. To any company outside of complexity, he's definetly worth more than Catz. You're so out of touch with reality. The salary of a player does not reflect the need of company for him but his negotiations skills. This is why salaries are not released in any company or across companies, because people are not payed what they are worthed but what they negotiate. Stop telling others that they are out of touch with reality cause you are from Mars. Ok sure. Catz is worth more than naniwa, I give up. And "In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money". He thanks his team and fans in every interview he does, he just thanked his fans in this very interview but "He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him." You're so dumb that I am amazed that you aren't banned from teamliquid yet. Saying the arguably best foreigner in the world is worth nothing and then blatantly lieing that he doesnt care about fans/sponsors is so immature Why are you insulting me? And you don't get anything from what I post even though I bring arguments with every statement. Also, I am a huge Naniwa fan, but all my posts are regarding the statements of Col. I said that I can understand Cols decisions because skill is not the only thing a team is looking for. Is that so hard to understand? How am I insulting you? And right after
I call you dumb
Seriously? get out. You make about as good a point as the grade schooler trying to convince people that EG bought incontrol a model girlfriend so that he'll be more marketable. Good lordy You're taking my sentance out of context to make it seem like something else, so fucking immature. I was asking how I was insulting him any worse than him when he's calling everyone 3year olds? But fine: Is this what you said? No. So don't post unless you can manage to use the quote system properly you immature prick.
Yeah, thats totally the same. You FLAT OUT insulted him, and then asked How am i insulting you? You didnt ask, ''how is my insult worse? How is what i said unfair, after all that you've said?'' Nope, you asked where you insulted him, and then you write that you called him dumb. Thats not taking shit out of context. I dont understand how warped your mind needs to be not to comprehend this.
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