• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:21
CET 10:21
KST 18:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.172Evil Geniuses - shutting down17ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League87
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 Evil Geniuses - shutting down REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [BW] Looking for Clan Thread! [ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory! Recent recommended BW games [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group C
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9354 users

NaNiwa speaks out on CompLexity / Quantic move - Page 16

Forum Index > SC2 General
760 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 39 Next All
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 10 2011 09:47 GMT
#301
On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.

In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.


clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you


Love this kind of comments.

And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.


if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for.
NKsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden133 Posts
December 10 2011 09:47 GMT
#302
On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.

In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.


clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you


Love this kind of comments.

And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.

Show nested quote +
What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality.


Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are.

What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 10 2011 09:51 GMT
#303
As long as Nani is happy then so am I! I love his attitude, he's really hardworking and ambitious, and deserves a good training environment so I hope he gets it in StarTale.
Personally I find him very funny as well, loved watching his stream a few weeks ago, was laughing quite a lot.

Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
December 10 2011 09:52 GMT
#304
Of course there are two sides to every storie, but I do appreciate that he tells his side of the story.
If it's true coL is you know kinda stupid, I mean from there point of view it probably means the same, but a player doing that well in a tournament so stacked with awesome players would mean more to me than any amount of people watching a stream.
Yeah Cain
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom8 Posts
December 10 2011 09:55 GMT
#305
With NaNiwa's opinion in mind, Complexity must of felt a burn when Destiny left, seeing as he's so popular

Nice interview, I Love TL and how they keep me up to date
Embrace the inevitable!
ichnaschekot
Profile Joined January 2011
380 Posts
December 10 2011 10:00 GMT
#306
Soooo, anyone knows what Nani has tattooed on his right arm?
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
December 10 2011 10:01 GMT
#307
"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"

If that's true then he definitely made the right decision.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
December 10 2011 10:04 GMT
#308
On December 10 2011 18:02 NKsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement.


LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie

No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not.


If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful

Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL

or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa

You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol.


Naniwa held it off in that one game because Leenock messed up and showed his roaches to his zealot, which allowed Naniwa time to get up more cannons. In the other games he didn't scout the roaches and wasn't able to hold it with a single cannon. Roach rush is a known hard counter to FFE with one cannon, as is three quick hatch. Seeing how Nestea, one of the best zerg macro players in the world, lost going for 3 quick hatch against Naniwa's 2 base timing after his FFE, it's no surprise Leenock decided to roach rush to punish it.
Z: Idra #1 Stephano JD Scarlett Dimaga Life Violet DRG Sen; T: Demuslim Puma Illusion Bomber Polt TSpoon Strelok; P: Hasuobs Huk; Casters: Apollo #1 Axslav DJWheat Tasteless Bitter Artosis Incontrol RSimpson Psy Team: Let's GO EG!!
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
December 10 2011 10:06 GMT
#309
On December 10 2011 19:00 ichnaschekot wrote:
Soooo, anyone knows what Nani has tattooed on his right arm?

Some kind of tribal thing going around his arm, you can see it if you search for "dignitas mlg dallas" on youtube.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 10:23:28
December 10 2011 10:08 GMT
#310
On December 10 2011 18:02 NKsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement.


LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie

No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not.


If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful

Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL

or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa

You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol.


.....and you claim you were GM? It's now proven that you're no higher than Diamond. A 1 cannon FFE is by no means safe without a decent scout. He held it off because he scouted it the first game due to Leenock showing the roaches. He did not hold off the other ones due to Leenock playing better and preventing the scout (or interpret this as Naniwa playing worse and not scouting better). Regardless, you just proved your own point wrong -- he played worse than Leenock that day, thus was the worse player. You're a lowleaguer and know nothing of sc2 lol.

On December 10 2011 19:04 jnsjr wrote:

Naniwa held it off in that one game because Leenock messed up and showed his roaches to his zealot, which allowed Naniwa time to get up more cannons. In the other games he didn't scout the roaches and wasn't able to hold it with a single cannon. Roach rush is a known hard counter to FFE with one cannon, as is three quick hatch. Seeing how Nestea, one of the best zerg macro players in the world, lost going for 3 quick hatch against Naniwa's 2 base timing after his FFE, it's no surprise Leenock decided to roach rush to punish it.


Precisely.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 10 2011 10:11 GMT
#311
Sometimes I can't stand Naniwa's Attitude but at least he's an esports personality and definitely a top player and that's why I'm happy with whatever he thinks is best for his career.

On a side note: seems like he lost a lot of weight. Maybe it's the korean food.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
December 10 2011 10:14 GMT
#312
On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement.


LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie

No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not.


Steps to do:
1)Rewatch Series
2)Find definition of an "all-in"
softan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden113 Posts
December 10 2011 10:16 GMT
#313
Actually Naniwa is the one that messed up the other games with his scouting. You should send 2 probes before lings are out to deny it. You hide one maybe proxy pylon with it and scout with that one later. If you do not manage to scout what he's doing because he finds your second probe you should put up 2 more cannons. Naniwa's build was fine he just took a huge risk when he failed scouting by not adding cannons.
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
December 10 2011 10:17 GMT
#314
Great interview!


I never understood the coments on him being bad at interviews, it's just if you ask him a simple question he will give you a simple answer. If you ask me about detailed stuff that requires a more thorough answer then he will give you that.
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 10:26:33
December 10 2011 10:21 GMT
#315
On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.

In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.


clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you


Love this kind of comments.

And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.


if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for.



What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched.



What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now


I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion.

That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 10 2011 10:26 GMT
#316
fairplay to Nani, he gets a lot of unjustified hate on here but you can't stay with a team who thinks that 5k stream viewers is worth as much as MLG placings
Regime
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia185 Posts
December 10 2011 10:29 GMT
#317
catz is a balla he has 5k viewers bcos he has a good stream, not bcos of col at all? i personally dont like naniwa for no real reason other than i just dont he lacks personality to me, not basing on results just wat i read/see of him he will fail in korea anyway
GeorgeyBeats
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom338 Posts
December 10 2011 10:31 GMT
#318
Im really glad he is putting his improvement as the focal point of his career. He has real drive and will do great things in korea.
He also seemed much more relaxed and putting himself out there in the community will only get him more fans.
GL NaNi!
How many bears could bear grylls grill if bear grylls coud grill bears?
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
December 10 2011 10:32 GMT
#319
On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:
On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.

In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.


clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you


Love this kind of comments.

And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.

What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality.


Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are.


Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter).


But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal.

And why is someone comparing EG with col? AG didn't say that exposure is more important than skill, he said they are looking for skilled players, but they should also be marketable. And in sc2 EG didn't throw/sold a player from the team like col (only grubby and inka left because they wanted to leave. well and maybe Tastless but that's another story).
QxGRockEr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States191 Posts
December 10 2011 10:33 GMT
#320
I personally think this is the best fit for Naniwa. QxG will do w/e they can to make him look and seem like prince charming even if that isnt the case. Then add his results with that and it helps out QxG a shit ton as well! Dudes an amazing player and for every story there will always be good and evil. :D Also. I think they should have a Destiny vs Naniwa wrestling match and youtube it, kid you not 100million views and quite possibly americas funniest home videos 1st place award. PLUS SO MUCH PUBLICITY??? :D
LighTeSports
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 39m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3319
Leta 474
BeSt 451
Mong 304
Hyuk 265
Soma 202
Shuttle 186
ProTech137
Sharp 77
Larva 68
[ Show more ]
Sexy 63
NotJumperer 26
soO 24
Terrorterran 15
yabsab 7
Force[name] 4
ZerO 1
Dota 2
Gorgc2549
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps492
edward25
Other Games
summit1g9680
ceh9505
olofmeister479
Livibee146
Sick118
ArmadaUGS33
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick734
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2349
League of Legends
• Stunt604
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
39m
Kung Fu Cup
1h 39m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 1h
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
OSC
1d 12h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
[ Show More ]
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
Yamato Cup
4 days
Map Test Tournament
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.