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On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.
if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for.
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On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. Show nested quote +What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are.
What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now 
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As long as Nani is happy then so am I! I love his attitude, he's really hardworking and ambitious, and deserves a good training environment so I hope he gets it in StarTale.
Personally I find him very funny as well, loved watching his stream a few weeks ago, was laughing quite a lot.
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Of course there are two sides to every storie, but I do appreciate that he tells his side of the story.
If it's true coL is you know kinda stupid, I mean from there point of view it probably means the same, but a player doing that well in a tournament so stacked with awesome players would mean more to me than any amount of people watching a stream.
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With NaNiwa's opinion in mind, Complexity must of felt a burn when Destiny left, seeing as he's so popular
Nice interview, I Love TL and how they keep me up to date 
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Soooo, anyone knows what Nani has tattooed on his right arm?
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"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"
If that's true then he definitely made the right decision.
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On December 10 2011 18:02 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not. If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol.
Naniwa held it off in that one game because Leenock messed up and showed his roaches to his zealot, which allowed Naniwa time to get up more cannons. In the other games he didn't scout the roaches and wasn't able to hold it with a single cannon. Roach rush is a known hard counter to FFE with one cannon, as is three quick hatch. Seeing how Nestea, one of the best zerg macro players in the world, lost going for 3 quick hatch against Naniwa's 2 base timing after his FFE, it's no surprise Leenock decided to roach rush to punish it.
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On December 10 2011 19:00 ichnaschekot wrote:
Soooo, anyone knows what Nani has tattooed on his right arm?
Some kind of tribal thing going around his arm, you can see it if you search for "dignitas mlg dallas" on youtube.
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On December 10 2011 18:02 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not. If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol.
.....and you claim you were GM? It's now proven that you're no higher than Diamond. A 1 cannon FFE is by no means safe without a decent scout. He held it off because he scouted it the first game due to Leenock showing the roaches. He did not hold off the other ones due to Leenock playing better and preventing the scout (or interpret this as Naniwa playing worse and not scouting better). Regardless, you just proved your own point wrong -- he played worse than Leenock that day, thus was the worse player. You're a lowleaguer and know nothing of sc2 lol.
On December 10 2011 19:04 jnsjr wrote:
Naniwa held it off in that one game because Leenock messed up and showed his roaches to his zealot, which allowed Naniwa time to get up more cannons. In the other games he didn't scout the roaches and wasn't able to hold it with a single cannon. Roach rush is a known hard counter to FFE with one cannon, as is three quick hatch. Seeing how Nestea, one of the best zerg macro players in the world, lost going for 3 quick hatch against Naniwa's 2 base timing after his FFE, it's no surprise Leenock decided to roach rush to punish it.
Precisely.
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Sometimes I can't stand Naniwa's Attitude but at least he's an esports personality and definitely a top player and that's why I'm happy with whatever he thinks is best for his career.
On a side note: seems like he lost a lot of weight. Maybe it's the korean food.
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On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not.
Steps to do:
1)Rewatch Series
2)Find definition of an "all-in"
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Actually Naniwa is the one that messed up the other games with his scouting. You should send 2 probes before lings are out to deny it. You hide one maybe proxy pylon with it and scout with that one later. If you do not manage to scout what he's doing because he finds your second probe you should put up 2 more cannons. Naniwa's build was fine he just took a huge risk when he failed scouting by not adding cannons.
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Great interview!
I never understood the coments on him being bad at interviews, it's just if you ask him a simple question he will give you a simple answer. If you ask me about detailed stuff that requires a more thorough answer then he will give you that.
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On December 10 2011 18:47 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. if they let him go then you will of been proven right. but what if they dont? what if eg kick idra ? what if col disbands? random what if questions that you have no basis for.
What reason do I have for thinking EG will kick idra? Or that COL disbands? None. But what reasons do I have for Naniwa to change his team again? His past. Btw, not saying that he will, just telling you that thinking the possibility is not far fetched.
What does incontrol have to do with this? Incontrol is a whole different deal, he is constantly doing commercials, retweeting for their sponsors, participating in SOTG and he is reperesenting EG really well by being a loved by the community. He isn't that good at starcraft (in pro standards), but that doesn't matter. I bet you that even if he got his fingers chopped off EG wouldn't kick him. They do not keep incontrol in their team because they think he'll win tournaments, I can promise you that. We were comparing Catz vs. Naniwa, Streaming low NA GM for 3,000 viewers vs. winning a fucking MLG infront of 300,000 people in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt. Stay ontopic now
I feel like I am talking to a 3 year old, that can't focus on a discussion.
That was the whole point dude. You claimed that him being so good at starcraft and placing high must be that important to a company. And I brought up Incontrol, the exact opposite of Naniwa. Talking to this forum sometimes feels like being in a kindergarten.
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fairplay to Nani, he gets a lot of unjustified hate on here but you can't stay with a team who thinks that 5k stream viewers is worth as much as MLG placings
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catz is a balla he has 5k viewers bcos he has a good stream, not bcos of col at all? i personally dont like naniwa for no real reason other than i just dont he lacks personality to me, not basing on results just wat i read/see of him he will fail in korea anyway
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Im really glad he is putting his improvement as the focal point of his career. He has real drive and will do great things in korea.
He also seemed much more relaxed and putting himself out there in the community will only get him more fans.
GL NaNi!
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On December 10 2011 18:36 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter).
But Incontrol IS funny, has charisma and has a great personality. You are taking the backlash thing out of proportion, because he has many fans supporting him. It's just that the minority is more vocal.
And why is someone comparing EG with col? AG didn't say that exposure is more important than skill, he said they are looking for skilled players, but they should also be marketable. And in sc2 EG didn't throw/sold a player from the team like col (only grubby and inka left because they wanted to leave. well and maybe Tastless but that's another story).
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I personally think this is the best fit for Naniwa. QxG will do w/e they can to make him look and seem like prince charming even if that isnt the case. Then add his results with that and it helps out QxG a shit ton as well! Dudes an amazing player and for every story there will always be good and evil. :D Also. I think they should have a Destiny vs Naniwa wrestling match and youtube it, kid you not 100million views and quite possibly americas funniest home videos 1st place award. PLUS SO MUCH PUBLICITY??? :D
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