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NaNiwa speaks out on CompLexity / Quantic move - Page 14

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jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
December 10 2011 08:11 GMT
#261
Now all we need is statement from Col contradicting something Naniwa said and we have full blown drama fest again!

Aside though, it sounds like Nani is happy with the change, however it happened.
#1 Kennigit fanboy/stalker
NKsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden133 Posts
December 10 2011 08:16 GMT
#262
On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

You're from sweden.
Nuff said.

User was warned for this post

Naniwa continues to crush HuK every time they played lately together with Nestea and MVP You're right, sc2 is volatile. Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. Not to take anything away from HuK or anything, but Naniwa IS better than HuK. HuK used to be good aswell but I feel that ever since he moved to EG, it's gone downhill. I mean, look who's code S Naniwa or HuK? Yeah. And it's funny you talk about bias when you infact are Canadian :D lol. Pathetic.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
December 10 2011 08:16 GMT
#263
Respect for Nani! But IMO CoL making a stupid move letting such a good player go... and about their policy...no comments.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 10 2011 08:17 GMT
#264
Good interview. And yes, I will support Nani regardless of what team he is on. I think that him and SaSe will not be parting ways for a long time now though, they seem really happy about living together.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:20:15
December 10 2011 08:19 GMT
#265
On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team.


He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group.

I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season.

Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.


and haveu seen HuK in comparison after winning Dreamhack the HSC he did a few early exits, hell him and Idra both have lost earlyrounds in tournaments after big wins.... im guessing with you its fine for them though but not ok for Nani.


jesus when the is a lot of travelling involved people CANT be consistent. Hell when MC went on the slump it was because he was flying around the world....

Calling Nani overated etc becaus ehe ebat nestea twice, MVP and DRG and HuK isnt bad at all... if he beat Leenock in the final too what would u be sayign then the same oh and Leenock was a nobody..... sorry dont give peopleshit when they beat two of the best players in the world and alsoone of them twice in the same weekend!!!


anyway back on track... always like Nani, himand HuK are so similar in one way that they both WANT to win and they have the drive to make it happen, hate nanai all you want he is here for the long stay!!! Cannot wait for him to break into Code S which he will do!!!
Live and Let Die!
Luhrg
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden16 Posts
December 10 2011 08:21 GMT
#266
Go go Naniwa, future GSL Champion for sure! \o/
Deftscythe
Profile Joined February 2011
United States228 Posts
December 10 2011 08:25 GMT
#267
I can't help feeling like there's more to the story here. It's difficult to believe that such a large disparity in philosophies(results vs exposure) didn't come up when CoL and Naniwa originally negotiated their contract.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
December 10 2011 08:28 GMT
#268
Interesting interview. Naniwa must be one of the most outspoken pros out there.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2144 Posts
December 10 2011 08:37 GMT
#269
He's got very good points for his decision, its good that hes now able to be with another Swedish ><
John 15:13
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
December 10 2011 08:37 GMT
#270
Ty Naniwa for clearing that up. And in the end you should do what is best for yourself. If StarTale and Quantic is your pick then go for it. Don't mind us mumbling around
Nadarath
Profile Joined July 2011
98 Posts
December 10 2011 08:38 GMT
#271
On December 10 2011 17:04 Termit wrote:
Wierd that he say he liked StarTale alot more than MvP house, didn't he say that StarTale house was kinda bad because they practiced when they wanted instead of hardcore practice on strict times which is what Naniwa wanted when he first came to Korea? :O

But I guess it's better to stay at Startale than in the GOM house. ^^


Maybe his first impressions on StarTale house was like that. But then he did spend alot of time in MVP house and could say that he liked it more in StarTale. One does not make other one impossible. Sometimes you change opinion when you learn more about something specific
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 10 2011 08:40 GMT
#272
yeah, naniwa's achievements makes him more important than catz shitty achievements, but 5k clown show of a stream
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
December 10 2011 08:44 GMT
#273
On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement.


LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 10 2011 08:44 GMT
#274
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.

In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
NexaS
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States202 Posts
December 10 2011 08:46 GMT
#275
Is it esports if I steal his hair style?
TexaS
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
December 10 2011 08:46 GMT
#276
"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"

If Naniwa is correct on this, then it's just another reason I support his decision to leave Complexity. Good luck finding another foreign superstar, Complexity :S.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 10 2011 08:51 GMT
#277
The ESFI article is better.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
December 10 2011 08:51 GMT
#278
Its not a coincidence that players don't wanna stick around with complexity. It's nothing new and if you take a look back in history ( way before starcraft) you could see the exact same pattern
NKsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden133 Posts
December 10 2011 08:52 GMT
#279
On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement.


LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie

No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not.
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 10 2011 08:53 GMT
#280
On December 10 2011 17:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"

If Naniwa is correct on this, then it's just another reason I support his decision to leave Complexity. Good luck finding another foreign superstar, Complexity :S.

Yeah...

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