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On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie  No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful  You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not.
If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful
Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL
or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa
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On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.
clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you
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No wonder the foreign scene suck when teams like complexity encourage streaming and exposure rather than hard working practice and results. Thats why it's funny how many good korean players are starting to stream som ladder games and stealing all the viewers from NA/EU ladder heroes haha.
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On December 10 2011 17:57 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:52 NKsc2 wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 10 2011 17:16 NKsc2 wrote:
Naniwa got all inned 4times in a row in the finals even tho he's far better than Leenock which proves your statement. LOL! If that's your view/analysis of those games vs. Leenock then you are just a Bronzie No, I'm a masterie former grandmasterie. If you can't tell what an all in is then you're awful You think an all in is when you pull all your workers; it's not. If you can't tell why Leenock all inned 4 times in a row then you're awful Hint: It sort of might kind of have to do with Naniwa's rigid/failed opening decisions in all 4 games. LOL or, maybe you're right, maybe Leenock is 'way worse'-- sick logic hahaa
You can hold off roach rush with ffe lol he held it off the first game, right? Check naniwas interview post event. He explained that it wasnt his opening, he just played badly lol. Don't argue about the gameplay, please xD You're a lowleaguer and you know nothing of sc2 lol.
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Never liked Nani, have fun though.
I think he'll be in Quantic for like 1-2 months. He has always been switching teams frequently and i think it will happen again.
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I would also be a bit pissed if the team/management cared more about some streams' 5k views than a 1st or 2nd place in the biggest tournament to date.
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I really hope naniwa now finds what hes looking for. I was always a big fan. I really think those teams that buy player because of hype/streamviewers will have a bitter end sooner or later.
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On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.
You're wrong imo. As long as he keeps winning, there will always be someone who'll want him on their team.
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He said, they said...the only thing I know is Jason Lake is a smart manager. I really hope Quantic/ST can get Nani settled. I loved the gameplays, and I'm trying to hold judgment on the constant team transfers, but I sure hope he can find true success both on and off the stage.
On December 10 2011 18:13 Labbetuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. You're wrong imo. As long as he keeps winning, there will always be someone who'll want him on their team.
That's why he transferred to Quantic.
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On December 10 2011 18:11 knL wrote:
I really hope naniwa now finds what hes looking for. I was always a big fan. I really think those teams that buy player because of hype/streamviewers will have a bitter end sooner or later.
why? if the players keep getting so many viewers then i think it's very valuable for the teams... for example look at how much hotshotGG (LoL player) earns with streaming: http://www.mysig.de/images/userpics/hsgg.jpg
and if he would also advertise for his team, i think that's very valuable for the team. however i doubt any sc2 player can earn as much as hotshotGG with streaming as of right now, hotshotGG has over 10k viewers most of the time. still you can see how much money you CAN earn with streaming and how much adds are worth.
for us fans, of course, it does not matter at all and i think all of us see it as a better achievement to place 2nd at MLG than to have 5k viewers.
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On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him.
What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality.
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On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you
Love this kind of comments.
And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager.
What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality.
Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are.
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If it is what he chooses, I wish him the best of luck! Will always be a fan of his play regardless.
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On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. Show nested quote +What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are.
I bet they'd trade Axslav for him though...
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On December 10 2011 18:29 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are. I bet they'd trade Axslav for him though...
Is Axlav a popular figure? Is he charismatic? Has he lots of fans? Than why bring it up?
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On December 10 2011 18:19 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:58 turdburgler wrote:On December 10 2011 17:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
I understand Naniwas point of view, but remember what EGs manager said in an interview, that they want in a player to be obviously good, but more important to be presentable, have charisma and have lots of fans to carry sponsors well.
In the eyes of a company Naniwa is a waste of money. He doesn't care about fans or sponsors, only about the game and there is no money to be earned with him. clearly quantic disagrees. and im sure they know more about it than you Love this kind of comments. And if quantic let's go naniwa then what? Quantic thinks that they can make money out of him. I hope they can so that everybody is happy, but the reason still stands. Naniwa is a difficult person for a manager. Show nested quote +What? Do you think it's better sponsor/team exposure to stream online mid NA GrandMaster for a 3,000 viewers than to stand in a sponsor-drowned teamshirt representing your team as a winner of the MLG Global Invitational and then taking 2nd place beating Nestea/MVP infront of 300,000 viewers? You're so out of touch with reality. Lol. I can bet you that EG would not trade incontrol for Naniwa because skill is something that it's not exactly rare in ESPORTS right now, but charisma and popularity are.
Incontrol is neither popular nor charismatic, he is just friend with the old NA bw crew (Artosis, Day9, Idra...) which gives him a seat in shows like state of the game, and that's he only reason why EG keeps him as he is able, in default to tournament results, to shout out his sponsors to an audience. Nothing to do with personnality, as you can see how much backlash he takes from community and the way he deals with it (like trolling on reddit and twitter).
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Just imagine having the chance to practise PvT with Bomber ^^ GLHF NaNiWa!! Also the UpCloseGames interview was very nice
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naniwa is a stud. Glad he went to Quantic.
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Their talent in the game should always be put ahead of their popularity or charisma in my opinion. This is supposed to be an e-sport not a popularity contest. Being really good at starcraft 2 should be enough. I think a stacked team winning tournament after tournament would be better publicity and make more money than a charismatic player that doesn't do well would. But this move from coL does surprise me though, you'd think Naniwa would have brought more publicity to coL than any other player has, specially since last MLG. His personality definetly is marketable and he was also their best player. Maybe something we don't know about happened because coL should have known exactly what they would get in Naniwa, he didn't change his ways he just continued being Naniwa so they got what they bargained for.
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Hrm. Is starcraft 2 sport or entertainment? Those who view it as entertainment look deep into the lives of those involved, much like people do in the entertainment industry itself.
Those who view it at sport care not so much about these things, these interviews. We didn't think Naniwa to be a bad guy or a good guy. We actually don't think much about him except when he performs well we applaud it (as we applaud all success).
To have a personal opinion on actors and actresses instead of judging them on their own merit (acting ability, etc) is to be, in my opinion, a stupid person. Same thing goes with these players. To have a personal opinion of these players that is seperate and aside from their ability to play the game really shows who you are and what you're about.
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