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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 10 2011 05:52 GMT
#241
I want Nani to find a team he's happy with and continue being himself, whatever that means.

I have recently been concerned with the contradiction between performance and everything else (streaming, PR, casting, other crap players do which doesn't help them become better players). The 5k viewers comment seems to be consistent with my thoughts on this.

I want players who win. If they're manner too, great. But i want the standard of play to get higher. This extra curricular garbage is not raising the bar. It might even be lowering it.

#BWisComing

*high fives Hot_Bid*
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 10 2011 05:53 GMT
#242
On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
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2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
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Nuff said.

You're from sweden.
Nuff said.

User was warned for this post


and what would you call HuK? Just curious. I'm from the same country too. -.-;;

Double standards. No one can take nani's achievements away from him. He is one of the top foreigners and has been for sometime.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:20:58
December 10 2011 06:15 GMT
#243
On December 10 2011 14:27 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 14:18 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.

The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?


Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.

Best luck for him in QxG.

But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?


And where is huk's consistency?
What about huk at DH winter?
or NASL?
or WCG?

I'm not saying Huk is bad, just saying that you can make a bad tournament without being non-consistent.

And what do you mean about MC?
MC has also been in a slump, DEFINITLY NOT consistent.

Seriously your tunnelvision is stunning!

Edit: And obviously you didn't see his Code A games.
Naniwa played well for the most part...

I actually said in my post that Huk in inconsistent so I don't know how telling me that is refuting my point, and I never said MC was consistent either. So...yeah.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:28:06
December 10 2011 06:17 GMT
#244
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

You realise that Naniwa was the first guy to make that run ever right? I think beating Nestea, Huk, Mvp and DRG in one weekend proves youre good enough for a second place. I realise youre a hater but there is no foreignner but MAYBE Huk that has shown the same type of consistent results.
On December 10 2011 09:42 Dexington wrote:
Finally some non-Swedish people that can agree on some of my points.

I'm done arguing with nationalists.

PS, I'm not a Huk fan, just using him as an example.

Dude. Its hard to know if youre serious or not. You argue like a 5yo.

Edit: Naniwa googog! We love you! (L)
4649!!
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 10 2011 06:27 GMT
#245
On December 10 2011 15:15 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 14:27 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:18 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.

The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?


Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.

Best luck for him in QxG.

But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?


And where is huk's consistency?
What about huk at DH winter?
or NASL?
or WCG?

I'm not saying Huk is bad, just saying that you can make a bad tournament without being non-consistent.

And what do you mean about MC?
MC has also been in a slump, DEFINITLY NOT consistent.

Seriously your tunnelvision is stunning!

Edit: And obviously you didn't see his Code A games.
Naniwa played well for the most part...

I actually said in my post that Huk in inconsistent so I don't know how telling me that is refuting my point, and I never said MC was consistent either. So...yeah.


Yeah you didn't say that MC were consistent, however u say that nobody is consistent, because they don't finish 1st every tournament.
By your standards, there is nobody consistent.
Not MVP, not NesTea, not MMA.
Nobody
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 10 2011 06:47 GMT
#246
On December 10 2011 15:17 Robinsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.

He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.

I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.

You realise that Naniwa was the first guy to make that run ever right? I think beating Nestea, Huk, Mvp and DRG in one weekend proves youre good enough for a second place. I realise youre a hater but there is no foreignner but MAYBE Huk that has shown the same type of consistent results.
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 09:42 Dexington wrote:
Finally some non-Swedish people that can agree on some of my points.

I'm done arguing with nationalists.

PS, I'm not a Huk fan, just using him as an example.

Dude. Its hard to know if youre serious or not. You argue like a 5yo.

Edit: Naniwa googog! We love you! (L)


He made the run when there were no Koreans or top Euro's at the tournament. And wasn't that in 2010?

We'll see how he does in GSL.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
December 10 2011 07:06 GMT
#247
On December 10 2011 09:18 HappyChris wrote:
Great interview I actually agree with Naniwa the scene is very much a popularity contest. Instead it should be a competition of skills.

I see it alot from the US team they seem to be very good at PR and are really good at hyping there players. Take EG as an example

EG with Huk/Puma/Idra as superstar champions?

I'd rather take TL with their whole rooster,besides Hero i guess, lagging behind right now, but we all LOVE them because of how awesome they are, each in their own way.
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
December 10 2011 07:30 GMT
#248
He handled the situation very well, came clean and didn't burn any bridges, so he has my support.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
December 10 2011 07:30 GMT
#249
Really glad he did this interview. It's good to get perspective. GL naniwa.
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
December 10 2011 07:33 GMT
#250
Correct decision Naniwa don't buy into these hype teams like coL who just want exposure in blogs and whatnot that you shouldn't be focusing on.. You're here to play, win and become the best and not being a commnity junkie <3 Naniwaaar your play speaks for itself that's all that should matter.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Elenar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden137 Posts
December 10 2011 07:33 GMT
#251
GOOOOOO NANIWA, Sweden cheering for you.
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
December 10 2011 07:37 GMT
#252
Good luck nani <3
shouri
Profile Joined May 2010
90 Posts
December 10 2011 07:45 GMT
#253
On December 10 2011 09:32 Dexington wrote:
Alright, no point trying to argue. We will see how he does in his next tournament. Hopefully better than he did at Dreamhack.

Edit: And no, Huk isn't over rated, he travels so much that he gets out of practice. That's why he loses games.


You just lost all credibility in your opinion with that last statement. Blind fanboyism at its finest.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
December 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#254
You have my support, Naniwa!
I've got moves like Jagger
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#255
Great interview.

Still really confused on this situation. Both parties are saying that it was purely their decision and that they could have done whatever they liked. Quite annoying really. >_<
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ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
December 10 2011 07:58 GMT
#256
Don't really care who initiated the move or if Complexity feel it important to boost there ego by telling everyone they kicked him out. Nani is a great player and will continue to win games, and he seems to be really happy being part of Quantic (or rather to be at StarTale's..). This frees up money for Complexity to aquire a new streamer. Everyone is happy. GL to everyone!
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Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 08:02:55
December 10 2011 08:02 GMT
#257
On December 10 2011 16:58 ShotgunMike wrote:
Don't really care who initiated the move or if Complexity feel it important to boost there ego by telling everyone they kicked him out. Nani is a great player and will continue to win games, and he seems to be really happy being part of Quantic (or rather to be at StarTale's..). This frees up money for Complexity to aquire a new streamer. Everyone is happy. GL to everyone!


Disregard champions, acquire ranking.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
December 10 2011 08:02 GMT
#258
On December 10 2011 16:50 Hall0wed wrote:
Great interview.

Still really confused on this situation. Both parties are saying that it was purely their decision and that they could have done whatever they liked. Quite annoying really. >_<


To me it sounds like Naniwa wasn't happy and was possibly arguing with Col management about money or other terms (more foreign players to Korea and so on). Col eventually got fed up with him and basically gave him what he wanted. That's just what I am reading between the lines though.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
December 10 2011 08:04 GMT
#259
Wierd that he say he liked StarTale alot more than MvP house, didn't he say that StarTale house was kinda bad because they practiced when they wanted instead of hardcore practice on strict times which is what Naniwa wanted when he first came to Korea? :O

But I guess it's better to stay at Startale than in the GOM house. ^^
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NKsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden133 Posts
December 10 2011 08:09 GMT
#260
Haha, continuously losing respect for complexity and gianing respect for Naniwa. Complexity is a joke team.
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