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On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !
No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.
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On December 10 2011 11:45 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 11:28 emecee wrote:On December 10 2011 11:20 Lavi wrote:
So complexity considers a pro streamer at the same level as 2nd place at providence - the biggest non gsl tournament of the year... that seems so backwards... Naniwa wants to be a team where players are valued for accomplishments and not publicity, which is why he went to Quantic, the team that added Destiny as their first player! Nice one Naniwa! impeccable reasoning. You obviously didnt pay attention to anything in this thread. His contract was sold to Quantic gaming, and he had no choice in the matter at all...so what reasoning are you talking about? He went to Quantic because thats who Jason Lake sold him to....
His contract may have been sold regardless of what he thought, but that would be dumb business. There's no way quantic would have ever purchased his contract without him being willing to play for that team. Thats just talk by complexity to seem like big shots. It makes 0 business sense at all.
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On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.
The play he showed at MLG was top level play. I don't think that people can play really well by a fluke, so he showed he is capable of that kinda play. I think hero is better than Naniwa, but I don't think any other Protoss have shown the same level of play as those 2.
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disgusting to see how progaming teams are valuing stream views over MLG placements.. although it doesn't surprise me that it's coming from jason lakes team, hopefully other teams aren't favoring that over results.
great interview, naniwa is such an enigma- makes him that much more exciting to watch.
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On December 10 2011 12:41 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. The play he showed at MLG was top level play. I don't think that people can play really well by a fluke, so he showed he is capable of that kinda play. I think hero is better than Naniwa, but I don't think any other Protoss have shown the same level of play as those 2.
I don't really agree with that and even if I did, it hasn't been nearly consistent enough or for a long period of time to call him OR Hero the best. They both have continued to fail in GSL.
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On December 10 2011 12:43 spacek wrote:
disgusting to see how progaming teams are valuing stream views over MLG placements.. although it doesn't surprise me that it's coming from jason lakes team, hopefully other teams aren't favoring that over results.
great interview, naniwa is such an enigma- makes him that much more exciting to watch.
You have to look at it from a practical standpoint. Teams are supported by sponsorships, so making extra sponsor money is a really good thing. Streaming is great for that.
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There's also probably an element of hyperbole there. I don't think it's wise at all to take NaNiwa's word that coL valued him and Catz equivalently, because it's ridiculous. That may have been NaNiwa's perception, but I struggle to believe that that was the reality.
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Good deal...I hope that Naniwa can finally find some peace and calm down some. Good luck to him.
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Naniwa will hopefully find peace and a calm state of mind now that he's back in the StarTale house.
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On December 10 2011 12:45 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:41 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. The play he showed at MLG was top level play. I don't think that people can play really well by a fluke, so he showed he is capable of that kinda play. I think hero is better than Naniwa, but I don't think any other Protoss have shown the same level of play as those 2. I don't really agree with that and even if I did, it hasn't been nearly consistent enough or for a long period of time to call him OR Hero the best. They both have continued to fail in GSL.
Just because Hero stomped a few foreigners and done nothing against koreans, people are overrating him so much.
Naniwa only had 4 good series in his weekend.
He beat nestea twice MVP, Huk and DRG.
Impressive opponents but i reserve my opinion on whether Naniwa is truely top class when he has done something in the GSL.
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On December 10 2011 12:57 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:45 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:41 Mohdoo wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. The play he showed at MLG was top level play. I don't think that people can play really well by a fluke, so he showed he is capable of that kinda play. I think hero is better than Naniwa, but I don't think any other Protoss have shown the same level of play as those 2. I don't really agree with that and even if I did, it hasn't been nearly consistent enough or for a long period of time to call him OR Hero the best. They both have continued to fail in GSL. Just because Hero stomped a few foreigners and done nothing against koreans, people are overrating him so much. Naniwa only had 4 good series in his weekend. He beat nestea twice MVP, Huk and DRG. Impressive opponents but i reserve my opinion on whether Naniwa is truely top class when he has done something in the GSL.
Yup.
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On December 10 2011 12:01 stalife wrote:
Naniwa lost a lot of weight, and he's looking very very sexy. Please do well in GSL!
i was telling myself the same happy to know i wasn't alone :D
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On December 10 2011 12:41 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. The play he showed at MLG was top level play. I don't think that people can play really well by a fluke, so he showed he is capable of that kinda play. I think hero is better than Naniwa, but I don't think any other Protoss have shown the same level of play as those 2.
OZ?
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On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.
Beats MVP once and Nestea twice, and you think he's not even close to being the best protoss?
If you are talking about the best protosses in the world, naniwa is definitely one of them. If he's first second or third I don't know.
Also, it's really confusing that Naniwa says he wanted to move meanwhile complexity is trying to say it as if they kicked him out.
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On December 10 2011 13:10 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. Beats MVP once and Nestea twice, and you think he's not even close to being the best protoss? If you are talking about the best protosses in the world, naniwa is definitely one of them. If he's first second or third I don't know. Also, it's really confusing that Naniwa says he wanted to move meanwhile complexity is trying to say it as if they kicked him out.
Naniwa is good, there's no question about that. It's to early to call him the best or even one of the best though. Yes, he has done really well in foreign tounaments and yes, he has what it takes to take out the best players (taking out MVP and Nestea twice), but the question is: can he perform that well consistently?Right now he doesn't considering his GSL history. Only time will tell.
On topic: I've never been a huge fan of col actually and I didn't think Naniwa would fit into the team from the beginning. GL to Naniwa in QxG. I hope the new training environment in the ST house helps him to improve even more, I always love watching Naniwa play.
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On December 10 2011 13:10 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. Beats MVP once and Nestea twice, and you think he's not even close to being the best protoss? If you are talking about the best protosses in the world, naniwa is definitely one of them. If he's first second or third I don't know. Also, it's really confusing that Naniwa says he wanted to move meanwhile complexity is trying to say it as if they kicked him out.
I think what Complexity is saying is that they would have moved Naniwa regardless of whether or not he wanted to be moved.
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On December 10 2011 09:05 careohx wrote:
Naniwa is definitely one of my favorite players. He has the attitude of a champion. I dont care whether he is socially akward or not, he has the drive to be the best and thats all that matters to me.
Agree comletely. I love his attitude, he seems to takes full responsibility for everything.
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Good luck NaNi. First bonjwa, I still believe.
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On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance.
Hang on, didn't huk end hero's providence run on day 2?
And the MLG before that was the MC vs HUK finals.
WTF you trippin' on?
At day 3 of MLG Providence you would be hard pressed to name someone with better PVP credentials.
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On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.
I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.
Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.
Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?
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