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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
December 10 2011 04:43 GMT
#221
love nani. hope to meet him one day
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
December 10 2011 04:52 GMT
#222
I don't care what team Nani is on, he still remains one of the best foreigners.. People need to get over themselves.
Getting teamed up with a good friend & good player like Sase will do them both good
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 10 2011 04:56 GMT
#223
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
modesttoss
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:03:00
December 10 2011 04:58 GMT
#224
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.


He didn't win Anaheim. It was Dallas. ^^
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 10 2011 04:58 GMT
#225
Well I guess now we know what the "core Complexity values" are.

Nothing surprising here really, but I'm glad Nani came out and said it.
Cammalleri
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada190 Posts
December 10 2011 04:59 GMT
#226
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

You're from sweden.
Nuff said.

User was warned for this post
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 10 2011 05:00 GMT
#227
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 10 2011 05:01 GMT
#228
who is this cats they are they are talking about?
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 10 2011 05:02 GMT
#229
On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

You're from sweden.
Nuff said.

What an utterly stupid post. He was simply listing Nani's achievements (i think he won dallas not anaheim) - what the hell has being Swedish got to do with Nani's top place finishes?

After watching the drama with coL HoN team and now this drama with nani it seems that coL care more about their business model than their players. Either way - best of luck Nani; training in Korea obviously has a huge positive effect on your skill level so i look forward to watching you in more tournaments.
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:03:40
December 10 2011 05:02 GMT
#230
I always felt like he didn't fit in Complexity. The team didn't feel right for him as he was thier only player in korea and i feel that the rest of the players didn't have the same drive as him to become a top player.

I was a bit suspicious in the last thread and said that they must have kicked him out so i have to take that back.
"!@€#" - as some guy said
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
December 10 2011 05:10 GMT
#231
anyone wanna bet who switches teams first? Major or naniwa?
Gwypaas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden41 Posts
December 10 2011 05:13 GMT
#232
On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.

The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?


Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.

Best luck for him in QxG.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:20:38
December 10 2011 05:18 GMT
#233
On December 10 2011 14:02 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

You're from sweden.
Nuff said.

What an utterly stupid post. He was simply listing Nani's achievements (i think he won dallas not anaheim) - what the hell has being Swedish got to do with Nani's top place finishes?

After watching the drama with coL HoN team and now this drama with nani it seems that coL care more about their business model than their players. Either way - best of luck Nani; training in Korea obviously has a huge positive effect on your skill level so i look forward to watching you in more tournaments.


This is sooooo much true, it's not even funny. The whole HoN fiasco was a pure display of ignorance on coL's part. Team leader's statements being censored by S2 forums (as usual), and coL leadership being completely oblivious to the inner workings of of tournament organization. In panic dumping their own team for the sake of short-term PR just to look silly in the course of statements of every side involved. I don't give a damn about how much coL is allegedly experienced in the field of esports in general (notice: I am very well aware of their engagement, especially in CS), but as an ARTS - not MOBA - enthusiast I have been quite shocked by their sheer amateurism displayed.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:18:55
December 10 2011 05:18 GMT
#234
On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.

The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?


Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.

Best luck for him in QxG.

But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
December 10 2011 05:22 GMT
#235
Strange that an issue like that would pop up, wouldn't all the incentives and bonuses and all that be spelled out in the contract?
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
December 10 2011 05:26 GMT
#236
On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

You're from sweden.
Nuff said.


Because he's from sweden, these results suddenly don't count?

wtf is this.
Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:29:37
December 10 2011 05:27 GMT
#237
On December 10 2011 14:18 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.

The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?


Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.

Best luck for him in QxG.

But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?


And where is huk's consistency?
What about huk at DH winter?
or NASL?
or WCG?

I'm not saying Huk is bad, just saying that you can make a bad tournament without being non-consistent.

And what do you mean about MC?
MC has also been in a slump, DEFINITLY NOT consistent.

Seriously your tunnelvision is stunning!

Edit: And obviously you didn't see his Code A games.
Naniwa played well for the most part...
NaNiwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, Jinro, DeMusliM, MorroW
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
December 10 2011 05:29 GMT
#238
On December 10 2011 14:18 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:
On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:
On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.

In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.


Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world!
But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !

No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief.



I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best.

Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate.

Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?



1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals


Nuff said.

What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.

The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?


Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.

Best luck for him in QxG.

But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?


Two of those were to FXOLucky, which is consistent losing in itself. But also Luck is actually a pretty sick gosu, and I consider him a Code S caliber player. I don't think Naniwa is the best Protoss or anything, but Lucky is no scrub.
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December 10 2011 05:42 GMT
#239
JBanKs... you are one of the best interviewers out there imo.

Keep it up.
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Kazuki
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 05:45:46
December 10 2011 05:45 GMT
#240
Really good interview.

As I said in the other thread as well, I support Nani's descision and hope he'll do well.

Lost some respect for coL as it seems they just released a false statement. Pity.
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