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love nani. hope to meet him one day
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I don't care what team Nani is on, he still remains one of the best foreigners.. People need to get over themselves.
Getting teamed up with a good friend & good player like Sase will do them both good 
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On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance?
1st MLG Anaheim
1st MLG Global invitational
1st MLG european invitational
2nd MLG Providence (finals)
2nd TSL3
2nd Blizzcon european finals
4th Blizzcon finals
Nuff said.
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On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said.
He didn't win Anaheim. It was Dallas. ^^
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Well I guess now we know what the "core Complexity values" are. 
Nothing surprising here really, but I'm glad Nani came out and said it.
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On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said.
You're from sweden.
Nuff said.
User was warned for this post
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On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said.
What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.
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who is this cats they are they are talking about?
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On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. You're from sweden. Nuff said.
What an utterly stupid post. He was simply listing Nani's achievements (i think he won dallas not anaheim) - what the hell has being Swedish got to do with Nani's top place finishes?
After watching the drama with coL HoN team and now this drama with nani it seems that coL care more about their business model than their players. Either way - best of luck Nani; training in Korea obviously has a huge positive effect on your skill level so i look forward to watching you in more tournaments.
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I always felt like he didn't fit in Complexity. The team didn't feel right for him as he was thier only player in korea and i feel that the rest of the players didn't have the same drive as him to become a top player.
I was a bit suspicious in the last thread and said that they must have kicked him out so i have to take that back.
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anyone wanna bet who switches teams first? Major or naniwa?
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On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison.
The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time?
Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says.
Best luck for him in QxG.
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On December 10 2011 14:02 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. You're from sweden. Nuff said. What an utterly stupid post. He was simply listing Nani's achievements (i think he won dallas not anaheim) - what the hell has being Swedish got to do with Nani's top place finishes? After watching the drama with coL HoN team and now this drama with nani it seems that coL care more about their business model than their players. Either way - best of luck Nani; training in Korea obviously has a huge positive effect on your skill level so i look forward to watching you in more tournaments.
This is sooooo much true, it's not even funny. The whole HoN fiasco was a pure display of ignorance on coL's part. Team leader's statements being censored by S2 forums (as usual), and coL leadership being completely oblivious to the inner workings of of tournament organization. In panic dumping their own team for the sake of short-term PR just to look silly in the course of statements of every side involved. I don't give a damn about how much coL is allegedly experienced in the field of esports in general (notice: I am very well aware of their engagement, especially in CS), but as an ARTS - not MOBA - enthusiast I have been quite shocked by their sheer amateurism displayed.
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On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison. The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time? Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says. Best luck for him in QxG.
But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?
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Strange that an issue like that would pop up, wouldn't all the incentives and bonuses and all that be spelled out in the contract?
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On December 10 2011 13:59 Cammalleri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. You're from sweden. Nuff said.
Because he's from sweden, these results suddenly don't count?
wtf is this.
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On December 10 2011 14:18 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison. The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time? Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says. Best luck for him in QxG. But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?
And where is huk's consistency?
What about huk at DH winter?
or NASL?
or WCG?
I'm not saying Huk is bad, just saying that you can make a bad tournament without being non-consistent.
And what do you mean about MC?
MC has also been in a slump, DEFINITLY NOT consistent.
Seriously your tunnelvision is stunning!
Edit: And obviously you didn't see his Code A games.
Naniwa played well for the most part...
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On December 10 2011 14:18 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:13 Gwypaas wrote:On December 10 2011 14:00 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 13:56 Ninjahoe wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On December 10 2011 12:36 Olinimm wrote:On December 10 2011 12:01 zanga wrote:On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote:
Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world. Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. ! No he's not even close. He had 1 good weekend after failing miserably 0-2 three times in a row in the first round of Code A, but I know people here have selective memories. Perhaps if he does well in the Blizzard Cup and finally wins a game in GSL you will actually have some basis for that belief. I totally agree, Naniwa has to demonstrate a level of consistency before he can be christened as one of the best. Naniwa is a great player, but SC2 is a volatile game that is hard to dominate. Who would have guessed that Huk would get bounced from NASL in the round of 16, for instance? 1st MLG Anaheim 1st MLG Global invitational 1st MLG european invitational 2nd MLG Providence (finals) 2nd TSL3 2nd Blizzcon european finals 4th Blizzcon finals Nuff said. What are you saying? That achievement list certainly doesn't qualify him for best Protoss...which is what we were refuting. MC's achievements make those look pathetic by comparison. The post he was replying to said he wasn't one of the best because he wasn't consistent enough so he listed all his big achievments over a longer period of time? Anyways, feels like there's more to tell on both sides although Nani feels like the one who is the most open and has the most truth in what he says. Best luck for him in QxG. But he isn't. If i just listed off all Huk's achievements and said he was consistent because he had alot of high placings it doesn't mean it's true. Naniwa lost in the first round of Code A THREE times in a row, then he had one good weekend and beat alot of extremely good players, and next event, which was Dreamhack he had a fairly early exit as well losing to a player he beat at Providence. Where is the consistency?
Two of those were to FXOLucky, which is consistent losing in itself. But also Luck is actually a pretty sick gosu, and I consider him a Code S caliber player. I don't think Naniwa is the best Protoss or anything, but Lucky is no scrub.
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JBanKs... you are one of the best interviewers out there imo.
Keep it up.
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Really good interview.
As I said in the other thread as well, I support Nani's descision and hope he'll do well.
Lost some respect for coL as it seems they just released a false statement. Pity.
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