On December 10 2011 11:20 Lavi wrote: So complexity considers a pro streamer at the same level as 2nd place at providence - the biggest non gsl tournament of the year... that seems so backwards...
Naniwa wants to be a team where players are valued for accomplishments and not publicity, which is why he went to Quantic, the team that added Destiny as their first player! Nice one Naniwa! impeccable reasoning.
You obviously didnt pay attention to anything in this thread. His contract was sold to Quantic gaming, and he had no choice in the matter at all...so what reasoning are you talking about? He went to Quantic because thats who Jason Lake sold him to....
On December 10 2011 11:20 Lavi wrote: So complexity considers a pro streamer at the same level as 2nd place at providence - the biggest non gsl tournament of the year... that seems so backwards...
Naniwa wants to be a team where players are valued for accomplishments and not publicity, which is why he went to Quantic, the team that added Destiny as their first player! Nice one Naniwa! impeccable reasoning.
You obviously didnt pay attention to anything in this thread. His contract was sold to Quantic gaming, and he had no choice in the matter at all...so what reasoning are you talking about? He went to Quantic because thats who Jason Lake sold him to....
Says one side. The other side says the exact opposite. If you just believe one side...
On December 10 2011 11:24 thedaks16 wrote: From the statements I have read, Naniwa's story seems to be more honest than Col. I and other people tend to be getting the idea that Col slightly slanders players that don't work out for them.
It just feels more likely that a signed player on a contract would have a clause in there staying that his contract is valid for a certain amount of time unless he breaks certain rules.
Naniwa stating that he likes ST house practice better than MVP, that he is upset that Col isn't sending any Col players over and he feels secluded (Col retorts by saying they are sending Trimaster at some point - kinda weak as we have no confirmation or date on that) does not in my head constitute Naniwa breaking a contract. This is all guesswork peoples.
If he didn't break rules/clauses I really have a hard time believing that Complexity had complete control in removing Naniwa like they state. It's far more believable that Naniwa stated he wants a "bonus" for some of his recent achievements and a different practice environment and that Col could/would not produce. Ere-go it lead to a little disarray between the Team/Player. Naniwa then speaks out, talks with Quantic (like he says in UCG interview) Col decides its best to move in this direction and a deal was struck. But come on, Naniwa has no say in the decision sounds fishy doesn't it?
I guess we will have to wait and here more retorts.
-Thedaks16-
are you kidding me? given nanwia's atrocious history in the professional scene of being difficult to tournament organizers, his bm and immaturity rooting back to the wc3 days, the mess he created in ESL, his disqualification from IEM, you find his story more "honest" than Col? he's already been through 6 teams since the beta and I don't anticipate he'll be on quantic for long. when you run into a problem, it's wise to take a step back and try analyze it objectively to see who's at fault. but when you seem to have problems with everyone, it's probably you. more recently the IM coach even used a shit ton of expletives on naniwa. either the IM coach is crazy or there really is something up with him that he needs to reflect on.
On December 10 2011 10:42 emecee wrote: Someone is not telling the truth and i'm gonna trust the owner of complexity rather than someone who has the reputation of being a douche bag.
Sadly, as we all have seen for a long time, one doesn't exclude the other.
Jason Lake is the coolest dad in the world:
You don't need to bring here his PR work to let us know who he is in reality and how he deals with players. And talking about being the coolest dad in the world, does it implies exposing his own children on a webtv show and asking them to drop insults? Talk about "core values"...
On December 10 2011 11:59 PopcornColonel wrote: Naniwa really does have a great drive. It's all about the game for him. He wants to the be the best, and he wants to make that apparent.
In my opinion, he's actually pretty close to being the best protoss in the world.
Obviously its hard to prove that he definitely is... but yeah, I do think he is the best protoss in the world! But of course Im a biased Naniwa fan :D! Fighting.. !
Love the interview, Naniwa's answers were more fully formed and reasonable than ever before. It's nice to get his thoughts when he's not in full tournament terminator mode. Couldn't care less if Nani's interview or coL's antagonistic reddit comment was the truth, as long as he's happier in the ST house.
On December 10 2011 09:01 JBanKs wrote: The first interview since NaNiwa has moved to quantic, explaining what happened, why it happened and his plans for the future.
NaNiwa is staying in the StarTale house and arrived today, he sat down with us to discuss all that has been going on and put his side of the story across, what do you guys think?
From the interview "It something about money of course but basically I lived at startale before i lived at mvp and I just liked it way way better, no offence to mvp guys obviously, they are nice people but I liked it a lot more here[StarTale]"
"It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view"
You can also check out other great StarTale content at our youtube, website and see the teamliquid thread about INSIDE THE STARTALE HOUSE here.
*My personal feeling, not that of my websites or sponsors is that NaNiwa is a really nice guy deep down, such a dedicated and devoted player, he is a champion that is for sure and he has his own goal, he does not deserve 90% of the trash he has thrown at him, I wish him all the best in the future*
about the bolded part, I really think this stems from the fact that the sponsors are the ones who pay the bills in the end in the SC2 scene. This means that for a team it may be as important to show its sponsors they have a guy who gets 5k views a day than to show them they have a guy who places high in a tournament every few months, but has sort of a bad reputation.
On December 10 2011 11:24 thedaks16 wrote: From the statements I have read, Naniwa's story seems to be more honest than Col. I and other people tend to be getting the idea that Col slightly slanders players that don't work out for them.
It just feels more likely that a signed player on a contract would have a clause in there staying that his contract is valid for a certain amount of time unless he breaks certain rules.
Naniwa stating that he likes ST house practice better than MVP, that he is upset that Col isn't sending any Col players over and he feels secluded (Col retorts by saying they are sending Trimaster at some point - kinda weak as we have no confirmation or date on that) does not in my head constitute Naniwa breaking a contract. This is all guesswork peoples.
If he didn't break rules/clauses I really have a hard time believing that Complexity had complete control in removing Naniwa like they state. It's far more believable that Naniwa stated he wants a "bonus" for some of his recent achievements and a different practice environment and that Col could/would not produce. Ere-go it lead to a little disarray between the Team/Player. Naniwa then speaks out, talks with Quantic (like he says in UCG interview) Col decides its best to move in this direction and a deal was struck. But come on, Naniwa has no say in the decision sounds fishy doesn't it?
I guess we will have to wait and here more retorts.
-Thedaks16-
are you kidding me? given nanwia's atrocious history in the professional scene of being difficult to tournament organizers, his bm and immaturity rooting back to the wc3 days, the mess he created in ESL, his disqualification from IEM, you find his story more "honest" than Col? he's already been through 6 teams since the beta and I don't anticipate he'll be on quantic for long. when you run into a problem, it's wise to take a step back and try analyze it objectively to see who's at fault. but when you seem to have problems with everyone, it's probably you. more recently the IM coach even used a shit ton of expletives on naniwa. either the IM coach is crazy or there really is something up with him that he needs to reflect on.
On December 10 2011 11:24 thedaks16 wrote: From the statements I have read, Naniwa's story seems to be more honest than Col. I and other people tend to be getting the idea that Col slightly slanders players that don't work out for them.
It just feels more likely that a signed player on a contract would have a clause in there staying that his contract is valid for a certain amount of time unless he breaks certain rules.
Naniwa stating that he likes ST house practice better than MVP, that he is upset that Col isn't sending any Col players over and he feels secluded (Col retorts by saying they are sending Trimaster at some point - kinda weak as we have no confirmation or date on that) does not in my head constitute Naniwa breaking a contract. This is all guesswork peoples.
If he didn't break rules/clauses I really have a hard time believing that Complexity had complete control in removing Naniwa like they state. It's far more believable that Naniwa stated he wants a "bonus" for some of his recent achievements and a different practice environment and that Col could/would not produce. Ere-go it lead to a little disarray between the Team/Player. Naniwa then speaks out, talks with Quantic (like he says in UCG interview) Col decides its best to move in this direction and a deal was struck. But come on, Naniwa has no say in the decision sounds fishy doesn't it?
I guess we will have to wait and here more retorts.
-Thedaks16-
are you kidding me? given nanwia's atrocious history in the professional scene of being difficult to tournament organizers, his bm and immaturity rooting back to the wc3 days, the mess he created in ESL, his disqualification from IEM, you find his story more "honest" than Col? he's already been through 6 teams since the beta and I don't anticipate he'll be on quantic for long. when you run into a problem, it's wise to take a step back and try analyze it objectively to see who's at fault. but when you seem to have problems with everyone, it's probably you. more recently the IM coach even used a shit ton of expletives on naniwa. either the IM coach is crazy or there really is something up with him that he needs to reflect on.
Hmm? When did this happen?
Not expletives. Guy is exaggerating. IM coach just criticized Naniwa on Twitter post-MLG match vs. NesTea and said he'd never met a ruder player.
On December 10 2011 11:33 HappyChris wrote: Complexity and sixjax anyone els seen a similary pattern here?
No. Not even a little bit. Sixjax was a tiny little team that went under because of some management issues. compLexity is one of the top five multigame eSports organizations in the US and Europe. They're legendary and have had huge success in a number of games including CS1.6 and Dota. There's absolutely no comparison between the two, and no comparison between coL and any other team short of EG, mouz, SK or fnatic.
It is nice to see a thought out interview with Naniwa instead of his one line answers as of late. I see no reason to assume there was something bad going on, and because he is where he wants to be and with the people he wants to be with I think he will stay and do even better than he has been.
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