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Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
December 09 2011 15:55 GMT
#1001
nice statement from Naniwa. At first I wasn't sure what to think of naniwa switching teams so often, doing interviews where he comes off very "uninterested", not saying gg in an official gsl game etc, but looks like quantic is a team for him and I wish him the best of luck with his new team
WhiteraCares
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden339 Posts
December 09 2011 15:58 GMT
#1002
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:05:15
December 09 2011 16:04 GMT
#1003
"I also want to be clear this was not a mutual decision. This was solely compLexity's decision to do this."

After this, I really think that complexity is an awfull organisation that treats people as just merchandize.

Naniwa is BM, they knew it when they recruited him (unless they are highly incompetent.)
To know it, you don't need a super secret inside source with the qualification to evaluate someone's mental health.

There are plenty of well known people in the community who said Naniwa is extremely BM (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164254). It was complexity job to deal with it.
When you recruit Naniwa, you don't do it for his social skill, you do it because he plays 10 hours/day and can show great results.

Complexity is now, no more than a weak team among minor teams. Who is their best player ? Catz, Drewbie ?
They are only a shadow of what root was.
This is also a good reason to question their decisioning. Why recruit Naniwa when almost all your player are from ROOT, knowing that ROOT and Naniwa were all but friendly with each others ?



Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
December 09 2011 16:05 GMT
#1004
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.

Millenium? Mouz? Reign? FXO? Fnatic? Acer?
SaSe fan club manager
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
December 09 2011 16:06 GMT
#1005
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.

Reign, FXO, Fnatic, Team Acer, Mousesports, Alternate, mTw, Millenium, Imba.FXOpen, Korean Team, Chinese Team.

And one of the smaller teams:
ESC, eSahara, Low Land Lions, It's Gosu, CheckSix, Vile.

Even if they are not all a major team and want to have Naniwa. There are a lot of teams left for him to choose from.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
December 09 2011 16:06 GMT
#1006
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.


That would highly depend on his results.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
December 09 2011 16:07 GMT
#1007
On December 10 2011 01:06 Baituri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.

Reign, FXO, Fnatic, Team Acer, Mousesports, Alternate, mTw, Millenium, Imba.FXOpen, Korean Team, Chinese Team.

And one of the smaller teams:
ESC, eSahara, Low Land Lions, It's Gosu, CheckSix, Vile.

Even if they are not all a major team and want to have Naniwa. There are a lot of teams left for him to choose from.

He's been on mTw, do your research bro.
SaSe fan club manager
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
December 09 2011 16:09 GMT
#1008
On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 20:33 eYeball wrote:
[quote]

I'm curious why didn't they name the organization or anything?

Now there's a site I won't be reading anymore.


I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site.

What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source.
That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore.


You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you.


I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information.
They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading.



real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved.

how do you not get that?


How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been.
You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out.


no you can't.

it's that simple.

you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names.

1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi.
2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM.

you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard.



To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI:
"He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS.

"I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.

Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.


I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.

I don't know why any of that is your problem, that's between Naniwa, ESFI and the anonymous source.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
December 09 2011 16:12 GMT
#1009
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.


Naniwa is really good. He is not running out of options lol.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:17:33
December 09 2011 16:16 GMT
#1010
On December 10 2011 01:07 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:06 Baituri wrote:
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.

Reign, FXO, Fnatic, Team Acer, Mousesports, Alternate, mTw, Millenium, Imba.FXOpen, Korean Team, Chinese Team.

And one of the smaller teams:
ESC, eSahara, Low Land Lions, It's Gosu, CheckSix, Vile.

Even if they are not all a major team and want to have Naniwa. There are a lot of teams left for him to choose from.

He's been on mTw, do your research bro.

Well only for WC3 right?

Edit: Just looked it up, you are right. In the beginning of the beta he was on mTw.

But that is not the point, look at the list of other teams can choose from...
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
December 09 2011 16:17 GMT
#1011
On December 10 2011 01:09 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:
[quote]

I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site.

What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source.
That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore.


You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you.


I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information.
They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading.



real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved.

how do you not get that?


How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been.
You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out.


no you can't.

it's that simple.

you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names.

1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi.
2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM.

you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard.



To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI:
"He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS.

"I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.

Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.


I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.

I don't know why any of that is your problem, that's between Naniwa, ESFI and the anonymous source.


Because it shows that ESFI isn't a real news site, they're just a medium for 'sources' to air their dirty laundry without any journalistic integrity.

I mean really I don't like Naniwa as a person but I think what ESFI has done is far worse. I don't even mind that they're apparently biased towards complexity - but the fact that they publish what should be kept in private (an 'anonymous source' thinking Naniwa is mental) as an actual news article is disgusting.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
December 09 2011 16:17 GMT
#1012
On December 10 2011 01:09 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:
[quote]

I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site.

What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source.
That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore.


You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you.


I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information.
They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading.



real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved.

how do you not get that?


How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been.
You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out.


no you can't.

it's that simple.

you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names.

1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi.
2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM.

you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard.



To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI:
"He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS.

"I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.

Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.


I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.

I don't know why any of that is your problem, that's between Naniwa, ESFI and the anonymous source.


And surely the readership of a news site has absolutely no interrelation with their displayed journalistic practises
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 09 2011 16:21 GMT
#1013
On December 10 2011 01:17 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:09 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:
[quote]

You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you.


I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information.
They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading.



real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved.

how do you not get that?


How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been.
You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out.


no you can't.

it's that simple.

you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names.

1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi.
2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM.

you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard.



To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI:
"He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS.

"I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.

Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.


I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.

I don't know why any of that is your problem, that's between Naniwa, ESFI and the anonymous source.


Because it shows that ESFI isn't a real news site, they're just a medium for 'sources' to air their dirty laundry without any journalistic integrity.

I mean really I don't like Naniwa as a person but I think what ESFI has done is far worse. I don't even mind that they're apparently biased towards complexity - but the fact that they publish what should be kept in private (an 'anonymous source' thinking Naniwa is mental) as an actual news article is disgusting.


And there's no evidence at all that they were paid/influenced by CoL to write the article *rolls eyes*
#2throwed
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
December 09 2011 16:22 GMT
#1014
On December 10 2011 01:21 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:17 Serelitz wrote:
On December 10 2011 01:09 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:
[quote]

I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information.
They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading.



real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved.

how do you not get that?


How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been.
You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out.


no you can't.

it's that simple.

you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names.

1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi.
2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM.

you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard.



To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI:
"He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS.

"I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.

Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.


I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.

I don't know why any of that is your problem, that's between Naniwa, ESFI and the anonymous source.


Because it shows that ESFI isn't a real news site, they're just a medium for 'sources' to air their dirty laundry without any journalistic integrity.

I mean really I don't like Naniwa as a person but I think what ESFI has done is far worse. I don't even mind that they're apparently biased towards complexity - but the fact that they publish what should be kept in private (an 'anonymous source' thinking Naniwa is mental) as an actual news article is disgusting.


And there's no evidence at all that they were paid/influenced by CoL to write the article *rolls eyes*


But an anonymous source from TL is sure of it!
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
December 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#1015
On December 10 2011 01:21 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:17 Serelitz wrote:
On December 10 2011 01:09 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:
On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:
On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:
[quote]

I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information.
They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading.



real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved.

how do you not get that?


How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been.
You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out.


no you can't.

it's that simple.

you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names.

1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi.
2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM.

you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard.



To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI:
"He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS.

"I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.

Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.


I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.

I don't know why any of that is your problem, that's between Naniwa, ESFI and the anonymous source.


Because it shows that ESFI isn't a real news site, they're just a medium for 'sources' to air their dirty laundry without any journalistic integrity.

I mean really I don't like Naniwa as a person but I think what ESFI has done is far worse. I don't even mind that they're apparently biased towards complexity - but the fact that they publish what should be kept in private (an 'anonymous source' thinking Naniwa is mental) as an actual news article is disgusting.


And there's no evidence at all that they were paid/influenced by CoL to write the article *rolls eyes*


Even if they aren't independant, there are plenty of sites like that. I don't even mind that. What I mind is that they publish something that's clearly not news but a personal attack from an anonymous source to boot. Saying someone is difficult to deal with / an asshole in person is one thing, but saying he needs to get professional help is only one thing - tabloid journalism.

I think Complexity could've handled their PR a lot better, I think Naniwa could have handled his PR better (the reason he got transferred after all) but the real issue for me is how ESFI claims to have any journalistic integrity and yet post something like that.
f0X
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany38 Posts
December 09 2011 16:26 GMT
#1016
unexpected! lets see how long nani will stay with QxG
"What you deserve is what you get"
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
December 09 2011 16:27 GMT
#1017
On December 10 2011 01:06 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.


That would highly depend on his results.


Pretty much this, if he manages to stay in code S and do well there, there will always be someone willing to deal with him at least short term if only to reap the benefit of saying "we have a code S player" and the fanbase that follows him. Also if he produced consistent results while on a team ( thus making a salary + winnings) eventually he'd reach a point where he could financially support himself, go on to be teamless and just pay one of the poorer korean teams to let him train with them.

If he goes on say a 6 month slump and finds himself fired again he'd have less teams interested in taking a chance on him. Someone eventually would but Nani would have to accept a paycut or something until he proved himself again.

I'm personally hoping he stays put for a long while, at least as long as the 8 months he spent with Dignitas.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:34:57
December 09 2011 16:31 GMT
#1018
On December 10 2011 01:05 Choboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 00:58 WhiteraCares wrote:
So uh, let's say Quantic fires Naniwa in the future; Is there ANY foreign teams left that he could join that hes has not already been kicked/fired/transfered/etc from except EG and TL?

Hes running out of options...And a career it seems.

Millenium? Mouz? Reign? Fnatic? Acer?



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hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 09 2011 16:36 GMT
#1019
fnatic would never pick him up
SK maybe, they're familiar with being dicks
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
December 09 2011 16:52 GMT
#1020
On December 10 2011 01:36 hugman wrote:
fnatic would never pick him up
SK maybe, they're familiar with being dicks


I was not aware that NaDa and MC were dicks.
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