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It's actually a quite straight forward decision. He's alone in Korea as coL., he's in a pa-party with his buddy Sase as QxG. Game over.
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On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 20:33 eYeball wrote:On December 09 2011 20:01 dakalro wrote:
LOL, is ESFI's source a shrink, because otherwise its opinion is worthless and it's a dick move to include that part of the quote in the article.
Does ESFI's source have anything to do with Nani in SC2? It sounds more like a guy that knew Nani in WC3 if it's not col, dignitas. I'm curious why didn't they name the organization or anything? Now there's a site I won't be reading anymore. I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site. What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source. That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore. You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you. I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information. They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading. real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved. how do you not get that? How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been. You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out. no you can't. it's that simple. you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names. 1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi. 2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM. you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard. To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI: "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS. "I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration.
Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.
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On December 09 2011 22:58 Delicious Insanity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 22:42 careohx wrote:
quite a disrespectful disgrace from ESFI to bring anonymous opinions typical journalistic sensationalism , they arent even providing new information we already KNEW that Naniwa was hard to work with this is just simple bashing Every newspaper (quality, no quality, shit quality and bullshit quality) has used anonymous sources at one time or another. And every newspapers brings in opinions in some articles. Newspapers protect their sources like a leprechaun protecting it's pot of gold. It's true though, the article does have some sensationalism. But, if you want SC2 to be big and huge, you have to accept the less cool stuff.
It's not about them using an anonymous source.
It's about them using an anonymous source that basically says he is a douche and needs mental treatment.
Usually in my mind you are not allowed to bash on someone in such a harsh way without a little information/credibility given about yourself. This kind of journalism is what the enquirer or some unprofessional blog would do.
Sadly though, with how much attention they are getting from this... it will probably become more common.
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On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 20:33 eYeball wrote:On December 09 2011 20:01 dakalro wrote:
LOL, is ESFI's source a shrink, because otherwise its opinion is worthless and it's a dick move to include that part of the quote in the article.
Does ESFI's source have anything to do with Nani in SC2? It sounds more like a guy that knew Nani in WC3 if it's not col, dignitas. I'm curious why didn't they name the organization or anything? Now there's a site I won't be reading anymore. I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site. What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source. That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore. You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you. I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information. They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading. real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved. how do you not get that? How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been. You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out. no you can't. it's that simple. you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names. 1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi. 2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM. you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard. To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI: "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS. "I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration. Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.
An anonymous opinion that ESFI should never ever in a thousand years have reported if they wanted to come across as anything but a bunch of snot nosed kids who wouldn't know journalism if it crawled up their arse and set up a shooting range. It is so amateurish and so disrespectful it boggles the mind. Almost as bad as the Sun. Almost.
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unexpected but FULL SUPPORT to u ! happy for ya
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What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa?
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On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa?
Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all
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On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa? Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all
They sold his contract because naniwa didn't want to be a part of complexity anymore. His descision? Yes, indirectly. Read naniwa's note before posting like the mod edit says.
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On December 09 2011 23:13 helvete wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 20:33 eYeball wrote:
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I'm curious why didn't they name the organization or anything?
Now there's a site I won't be reading anymore. I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site. What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source. That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore. You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you. I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information. They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading. real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved. how do you not get that? How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been. You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out. no you can't. it's that simple. you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names. 1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi. 2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM. you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard. To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI: "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS. "I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration. Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source. An anonymous opinion that ESFI should never ever in a thousand years have reported if they wanted to come across as anything but a bunch of snot nosed kids who wouldn't know journalism if it crawled up their arse and set up a shooting range. It is so amateurish and so disrespectful it boggles the mind. Almost as bad as the Sun. Almost.
You seem mad.
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I can't help but feel like Naniwa must be really difficult to deal with behind closed doors. For someone with that much skill and potential to keep being dealt from team to team doesn't make sense.
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On December 09 2011 23:26 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa? Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all They sold his contract because naniwa didn't want to be a part of complexity anymore. His descision? Yes, indirectly. Read naniwa's note before posting like the mod edit says.
It doesn't seem like that. It seems like yeah, he wanted a switch but that had no relation whatsoever to the actual contract sale. Apparently Col got pissed about something and decided to sell the contract, with or without Nani's approval. His approval seems to be purely coincidental.
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waaaaaaat
makes a lot of sense, but very unexpected
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On December 09 2011 23:30 Trevi wrote:
I can't help but feel like Naniwa must be really difficult to deal with behind closed doors. For someone with that much skill and potential to keep being dealt from team to team doesn't make sense.
It is a known fact that he is hard to deal with but that is no excuse. Teams should man up and help him other than throwing away one of the best players out there. Ofc its easier to have medicore-good but nice players on your team, but is that what you want? Anyways im quite happy about Quantic they seem to be an open minded team! We need more of them.
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On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 20:33 eYeball wrote:On December 09 2011 20:01 dakalro wrote:
LOL, is ESFI's source a shrink, because otherwise its opinion is worthless and it's a dick move to include that part of the quote in the article.
Does ESFI's source have anything to do with Nani in SC2? It sounds more like a guy that knew Nani in WC3 if it's not col, dignitas. I'm curious why didn't they name the organization or anything? Now there's a site I won't be reading anymore. I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site. What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source. That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore. You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you. I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information. They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading. real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved. how do you not get that? How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been. You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out. no you can't. it's that simple. you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names. 1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi. 2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM. you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard. To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI: "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS. "I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration. Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source.
I can't belive people doesn't get it....
They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS.
This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself.
Now that's fucking BM.
Last time ever i read or watch anything this bullshit ESFI ever make.
Anyone with just a little common sense would realise what a prick move this is.
Shame on you ESFI...
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On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa? Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all
I doubt Complexity can just sell his contract (unless it is stated in the contract). There are no general rules in esports regarding player trades and such.
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On December 09 2011 23:37 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa? Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all I doubt Complexity can just sell his contract (unless it is stated in the contract). There are no general rules in esports regarding player trades and such.
According to statements quoted in the thread, it would seem like they can just sell the contract no questions asked.
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On December 09 2011 23:30 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:26 NKsc2 wrote:On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa? Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all They sold his contract because naniwa didn't want to be a part of complexity anymore. His descision? Yes, indirectly. Read naniwa's note before posting like the mod edit says. It doesn't seem like that. It seems like yeah, he wanted a switch but that had no relation whatsoever to the actual contract sale. Apparently Col got pissed about something and decided to sell the contract, with or without Nani's approval. His approval seems to be purely coincidental.
Wait, can you really just sell a player to a different team like that without his approval? -_-
That doesn't seem very realistic to me. What if the new team was based in Siberia? They could've sold him to anybody. 
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On December 09 2011 23:40 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:30 mordk wrote:On December 09 2011 23:26 NKsc2 wrote:On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa? Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all They sold his contract because naniwa didn't want to be a part of complexity anymore. His descision? Yes, indirectly. Read naniwa's note before posting like the mod edit says. It doesn't seem like that. It seems like yeah, he wanted a switch but that had no relation whatsoever to the actual contract sale. Apparently Col got pissed about something and decided to sell the contract, with or without Nani's approval. His approval seems to be purely coincidental. Wait, can you really just sell a player to a different team like that without his approval? -_- That doesn't seem very realistic to me. What if the new team was based in Siberia? They could've sold him to anybody.
A team wouldn't buy his contract if Nani didn't approve. I think Lakes comments over on reddit was simply stating that they were going to unload him anyway possible
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Funny how ESFI justified their anonymous quote by calling the source "highly credible" as if he had actually given them valuable information. All he did was give them his personal opinion of Naniwa. You never use an anonymous source to let someone vent an opinion in the press.
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On December 09 2011 23:35 Ninjahoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 23:00 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 09 2011 22:05 dakalro wrote:On December 09 2011 22:00 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:57 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:49 Angel_ wrote:On December 09 2011 21:46 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 21:02 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 09 2011 20:45 Nadarath wrote:On December 09 2011 20:33 eYeball wrote:
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I'm curious why didn't they name the organization or anything?
Now there's a site I won't be reading anymore. I was starting to think that they will do something nice to scene. But after i read that - "Anonymous source" - I have lost whole respect and interest in their site. What they done is level with tabloid press. It is common strategy to bring readers. Spread some rumors by anonymous source. That is not professional. If they have anonymous source they should go deep into topic and keep looking until they got some source that they can name and some prof - and then make a whole article about it. As for now they came out like bad tabloid - so not gonna read them anymore. You really have no idea what a confidential source is do you. I exactly know what is confidential source... But i object to using that type of information. They would better investigate that matter based on confidential source information and get to the bottom of matter when they can use real names. As it is for now I treat their "confidential source" as rumor spreading. real names = potentially career ending for esfi and the actual source involved. how do you not get that? How do you not understand getting to the bottom of the matter ? Do not release that sort of statements until you got everything so well prepared that no one is at risk of anything. That is how investigating journalism have always been. You get to the bottom of everything - you find out everything on the matter at hand. Then you write article about it - in which you can use real names and sources that can be checked out. no you can't. it's that simple. you can fully be at complete understanding of an issue and at the bottom of it and still be in a position where you CAN NOT use people's names. 1. it makes that source not fucking want to talk to esfi ever again, hurting esfi. 2. it directly hurts that source's reputation with EVERYONE AROUND THEM. you can make the argument that esfi just shouldn't have used the quote at all, but to sit and pretend that they can just freely use names when they have all the information is just naive, or driven by the need to feed on sensationalism and drama, with complete disregard for reality and any sense of professional standard. To make it easier for you to understand why people rightfully bash ESFI: "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with," - is OK to use as an opinion from an anonymous source that's in ESPORTS. "I truthfully believe he needs to seek professional help." - is downright moronic, wrong on so many levels, including it seems more like malicious intent than trying to bring information. Either the writer and editor is an idiot or he wanted to hurt Naniwa. Bunch of amateurs, really, psych opinion from "a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past" IN ESPORTS, REALLY?!?! they're qualified to make psychological evaluations now? I somehow don't even believe he knows Nani from SC2 or has actually worked with Nani for more than a tournament duration. Why does that have to do with ESFI? It's not their quote to begin with, it's an opinion from an anonymous source. I can't belive people doesn't get it.... They are talking shit about him, ANONYMOUS. This trashtalker doesn't even dare to do it to his face, to get a reply AKA not giving NaNi any chance to even defend himself. Now that's fucking BM. Last time ever i read or watch anything this bullshit ESFI ever make. Anyone with just a little common sense would realise what a prick move this is. Shame on you ESFI...
I agree. Cheap way to fish site hits.
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