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Feito
Profile Joined February 2011
United States65 Posts
December 09 2011 14:56 GMT
#981
Whoa quick. But I guess if he's more comfortable with Quantic, better for him definitely.
"To be forgotten is worse than death."
Lt.Roosevelt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden84 Posts
December 09 2011 14:59 GMT
#982
I'd like to know who QxG will be partnering up with in Korea because I think it will be crucial for them to find a great team with the right environment for QxG's players to improve and stay competitive, especially in Korea. Personally I hope it isn't ST, partly because I don't feel they have the right players and also because the little I've heard about the team mentions the practice schedule etc. not being very strict. Still really sad QIM is no more

Anyway gl to Naniwa, hope he likes it wherever QxG ends up and that living with Sase makes them both even more motivated to practice more and have fun in their quest for greatness
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 09 2011 14:59 GMT
#983
On December 09 2011 23:59 Lt.Roosevelt wrote:
I'd like to know who QxG will be partnering up with in Korea because I think it will be crucial for them to find a great team with the right environment for QxG's players to improve and stay competitive, especially in Korea. Personally I hope it isn't ST, partly because I don't feel they have the right players and also because the little I've heard about the team mentions the practice schedule etc. not being very strict. Still really sad QIM is no more

Anyway gl to Naniwa, hope he likes it wherever QxG ends up and that living with Sase makes them both even more motivated to practice more and have fun in their quest for greatness


Startale
Roghie
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway18 Posts
December 09 2011 15:00 GMT
#984
Wow, nice pick up by Quantic!
EvE Online Gamer.
Cylluus
Profile Joined November 2011
United States153 Posts
December 09 2011 15:00 GMT
#985
Best of luck to Naniwa. I hope the move goes well for him.
leperphilliac
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States399 Posts
December 09 2011 15:02 GMT
#986
I get why are people so pissed off at the anonymous source, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism. If it weren't for Deep Throat, an anonymous source, the whole Watergate scandal might not have seen light. Granted, ESFI isn't as credible as the NYTimes, but from their interviews thus far and what they say I trust they put that quote from the anonymous source for a reason and that the source actually knows what he's talking about.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 15:05:21
December 09 2011 15:03 GMT
#987
On December 09 2011 23:26 NKsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa?


Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all

They sold his contract because naniwa didn't want to be a part of complexity anymore. His descision? Yes, indirectly. Read naniwa's note before posting like the mod edit says.


Jason Lake said that Trimaster is going to koreaa soon (on reddit) and that he was going to be transferred regardless of what he wanted.

Naniwa may 'agree' with it but the decision was Complexity's in the end.


On December 10 2011 00:02 leperphilliac wrote:
I get why are people so pissed off at the anonymous source, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism. If it weren't for Deep Throat, an anonymous source, the whole Watergate scandal might not have seen light. Granted, ESFI isn't as credible as the NYTimes, but from their interviews thus far and what they say I trust they put that quote from the anonymous source for a reason and that the source actually knows what he's talking about.


That's fine for saying 'he's a pain to deal with'. But to say something as aggravating as 'he should seek mental help' and hiding behind an anonymity, THAT'S wrong. And ESFI is in the wrong too, seeing how they decided to publish something like that.

I don't really like Naniwa but it's just unprofessional to publish something like that.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 09 2011 15:14 GMT
#988
On December 10 2011 00:02 leperphilliac wrote:
I get why are people so pissed off at the anonymous source, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism. If it weren't for Deep Throat, an anonymous source, the whole Watergate scandal might not have seen light. Granted, ESFI isn't as credible as the NYTimes, but from their interviews thus far and what they say I trust they put that quote from the anonymous source for a reason and that the source actually knows what he's talking about.

It's not the anonymous part most people get pissed of at.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 09 2011 15:14 GMT
#989
On December 10 2011 00:03 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 23:26 NKsc2 wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:22 Flowjo wrote:
On December 09 2011 23:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
What was wrong with MVP, Naniwa?


Complexity sold his contract... not really his decision at all

They sold his contract because naniwa didn't want to be a part of complexity anymore. His descision? Yes, indirectly. Read naniwa's note before posting like the mod edit says.


Jason Lake said that Trimaster is going to koreaa soon (on reddit) and that he was going to be transferred regardless of what he wanted.

Naniwa may 'agree' with it but the decision was Complexity's in the end.


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 00:02 leperphilliac wrote:
I get why are people so pissed off at the anonymous source, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism. If it weren't for Deep Throat, an anonymous source, the whole Watergate scandal might not have seen light. Granted, ESFI isn't as credible as the NYTimes, but from their interviews thus far and what they say I trust they put that quote from the anonymous source for a reason and that the source actually knows what he's talking about.


That's fine for saying 'he's a pain to deal with'. But to say something as aggravating as 'he should seek mental help' and hiding behind an anonymity, THAT'S wrong. And ESFI is in the wrong too, seeing how they decided to publish something like that.

I don't really like Naniwa but it's just unprofessional to publish something like that.


I think it's hilarious that a community centered around a Blizzard game thinks "soon" actually means anything concrete. Yes, they were going to send Trimaster to Korea soon.
#2throwed
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
December 09 2011 15:16 GMT
#990
On December 10 2011 00:02 leperphilliac wrote:
I get why are people so pissed off at the anonymous source, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism. If it weren't for Deep Throat, an anonymous source, the whole Watergate scandal might not have seen light. Granted, ESFI isn't as credible as the NYTimes, but from their interviews thus far and what they say I trust they put that quote from the anonymous source for a reason and that the source actually knows what he's talking about.

I don't even know where to begin in terms of showing how futile your analogy is. Watergate was an actual scandal, with records, phone taps, and a large number of credible eye-witness testimony. To compare the use of Deep Throat's tips to ESFI randomly quoting someone as saying that another person is "mental" is absurd. It is cheap slander, and as a community we ought to make it clear that such nonsense does not continue.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 15:21:43
December 09 2011 15:19 GMT
#991
On December 10 2011 00:02 leperphilliac wrote:
I get why are people so pissed off at the anonymous source, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism. If it weren't for Deep Throat, an anonymous source, the whole Watergate scandal might not have seen light. Granted, ESFI isn't as credible as the NYTimes, but from their interviews thus far and what they say I trust they put that quote from the anonymous source for a reason and that the source actually knows what he's talking about.



The source didn't give them information. He gave an opinion. What if the NY Times quoted an anonymous high-level source in the Democratic party saying "I worked with Newt Gingrich in the past and I think he's disrespectful. He should seek mental help." There's nothing valuable and informative in that statement such that the source should be kept confidential in order to encourage other sources from divulging similar valuable information in the future. Most people would be completely fine with expressing their opinion of Gingrich in public, thus a journalist has no need to keep their identities confidential. Also, no one should suffer retribution for expressing an opinion so a journalist doesn't need to "protect" them by keeping their identity secret.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
December 09 2011 15:23 GMT
#992
Saseniwa archon morphing.
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Lt.Roosevelt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden84 Posts
December 09 2011 15:25 GMT
#993
On December 09 2011 23:59 careohx wrote:
Startale


Too bad, oh well gl to them all anyway.
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 15:33:39
December 09 2011 15:27 GMT
#994
On December 09 2011 22:58 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 22:42 careohx wrote:
quite a disrespectful disgrace from ESFI to bring anonymous opinions typical journalistic sensationalism , they arent even providing new information we already KNEW that Naniwa was hard to work with this is just simple bashing


Every newspaper (quality, no quality, shit quality and bullshit quality) has used anonymous sources at one time or another. And every newspapers brings in opinions in some articles.

Newspapers protect their sources like a leprechaun protecting it's pot of gold.

It's true though, the article does have some sensationalism. But, if you want SC2 to be big and huge, you have to accept the less cool stuff.


I think a key difference is that almost all anonymous sources are affiliated with some sort of organization. You always hear, a source at the white house, someone within the X football organization, etc for the goal of adding a lot of legitimacy to the quote. If any famous person had a quote from in one of, if not the top, premier media outlet saying they were mental you can be certain that media outlet would, at the very least, include the affiliation if not the entire source's name or face printing a retraction due to it being straight up slander and destroying all their credibility. They have probably removed any chance of interviewing Naniwa(I would refuse if they had a random quote calling me mental), which is a big blow as hes one of the best protoss in the world now and will probably win or place highly in multiple tournaments next year.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
December 09 2011 15:27 GMT
#995
I have one small question that keeps nagging at me. What could Nani have possibly done that was enough to piss off Col (since Mr. lake said the contract sale was non negotiable) enough to trade him away but not bad enough to void the contract outright? We know professional athletes have behaviour and morality clauses that can get them fined and even dropped from teams with no repercussions to the team holding them to contract terms. I'm pretty sure it's been implied that Complexity has something along those lines in their contracts ( Destiny's did ) and they have been known to drop teams under their banner for behaviour and professionalism issues before.

For a company as old and experienced as complexity I don't understand how they ended up in a situation with a player who'd done something not severe enough to void his contract and yet still something that made a proven winner with a lot of potential intolerable to the point that he needed to be removed from the team. I'm not looking for some sort of scandal here ( I'd prefer less drama not more) I just can't figure out what sort of behaviours fall into the range of " bad enough he absolutely has to go but not bad enough we can cut him with no legal repercussions.

That said I really hope this all just sort of blows over quickly and everyone goes their seperate ways without any more fuss. I want the players and organizations that I like and support to be happy and to only have to focus on producing good starcraft 2 content.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 09 2011 15:35 GMT
#996
On December 10 2011 00:27 ladyumbra wrote:
I have one small question that keeps nagging at me. What could Nani have possibly done that was enough to piss off Col (since Mr. lake said the contract sale was non negotiable) enough to trade him away but not bad enough to void the contract outright? We know professional athletes have behaviour and morality clauses that can get them fined and even dropped from teams with no repercussions to the team holding them to contract terms. I'm pretty sure it's been implied that Complexity has something along those lines in their contracts ( Destiny's did ) and they have been known to drop teams under their banner for behaviour and professionalism issues before.

For a company as old and experienced as complexity I don't understand how they ended up in a situation with a player who'd done something not severe enough to void his contract and yet still something that made a proven winner with a lot of potential intolerable to the point that he needed to be removed from the team. I'm not looking for some sort of scandal here ( I'd prefer less drama not more) I just can't figure out what sort of behaviours fall into the range of " bad enough he absolutely has to go but not bad enough we can cut him with no legal repercussions.

That said I really hope this all just sort of blows over quickly and everyone goes their seperate ways without any more fuss. I want the players and organizations that I like and support to be happy and to only have to focus on producing good starcraft 2 content.


Personally I think it's more for public image reasons than anything. It looks better for Col to "transfer" Naniwa over getting hated on for firing him. That's just my take on it though.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 09 2011 15:38 GMT
#997
On December 10 2011 00:35 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 00:27 ladyumbra wrote:
I have one small question that keeps nagging at me. What could Nani have possibly done that was enough to piss off Col (since Mr. lake said the contract sale was non negotiable) enough to trade him away but not bad enough to void the contract outright? We know professional athletes have behaviour and morality clauses that can get them fined and even dropped from teams with no repercussions to the team holding them to contract terms. I'm pretty sure it's been implied that Complexity has something along those lines in their contracts ( Destiny's did ) and they have been known to drop teams under their banner for behaviour and professionalism issues before.

For a company as old and experienced as complexity I don't understand how they ended up in a situation with a player who'd done something not severe enough to void his contract and yet still something that made a proven winner with a lot of potential intolerable to the point that he needed to be removed from the team. I'm not looking for some sort of scandal here ( I'd prefer less drama not more) I just can't figure out what sort of behaviours fall into the range of " bad enough he absolutely has to go but not bad enough we can cut him with no legal repercussions.

That said I really hope this all just sort of blows over quickly and everyone goes their seperate ways without any more fuss. I want the players and organizations that I like and support to be happy and to only have to focus on producing good starcraft 2 content.


Personally I think it's more for public image reasons than anything. It looks better for Col to "transfer" Naniwa over getting hated on for firing him. That's just my take on it though.


Except then they proceed to kinda trash him anyway.
#2throwed
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
December 09 2011 15:44 GMT
#998
On December 10 2011 00:38 Klondikebar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 00:35 gruff wrote:
On December 10 2011 00:27 ladyumbra wrote:
I have one small question that keeps nagging at me. What could Nani have possibly done that was enough to piss off Col (since Mr. lake said the contract sale was non negotiable) enough to trade him away but not bad enough to void the contract outright? We know professional athletes have behaviour and morality clauses that can get them fined and even dropped from teams with no repercussions to the team holding them to contract terms. I'm pretty sure it's been implied that Complexity has something along those lines in their contracts ( Destiny's did ) and they have been known to drop teams under their banner for behaviour and professionalism issues before.

For a company as old and experienced as complexity I don't understand how they ended up in a situation with a player who'd done something not severe enough to void his contract and yet still something that made a proven winner with a lot of potential intolerable to the point that he needed to be removed from the team. I'm not looking for some sort of scandal here ( I'd prefer less drama not more) I just can't figure out what sort of behaviours fall into the range of " bad enough he absolutely has to go but not bad enough we can cut him with no legal repercussions.

That said I really hope this all just sort of blows over quickly and everyone goes their seperate ways without any more fuss. I want the players and organizations that I like and support to be happy and to only have to focus on producing good starcraft 2 content.


Personally I think it's more for public image reasons than anything. It looks better for Col to "transfer" Naniwa over getting hated on for firing him. That's just my take on it though.


Except then they proceed to kinda trash him anyway.

Yes coL's PR choices are somewhat confounding, I'm reminded of Alex Garfield getting involved during the Puma recruitment issue, and all in all, it would be better if team leaders and owners did not involve themselves in the public debates.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 09 2011 15:50 GMT
#999
Oh and for those of you who are taking the ESFI article seriously:

[image loading]

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/n6ahz/esfis_unbiased_naniwa_leaves_complexity_coverage/


We are NOT a trusting people. I love it.
#2throwed
vommy
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany532 Posts
December 09 2011 15:50 GMT
#1000
Gz to Quantic, hope nani does well in his new Clan.
Oh, I'm chasing this guy. [Dodd shoots at Leonard] No... he's chasing me.
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