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On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change.
This is really really really wrong. Don't compare them please. LastShadow was caught maphacking, using custom maps where his units produced faster etc and even bragging about beating good players using cheats like this.
Dimaga was caught abusing the ladder for the TSL. In my mind atleast there is a huge difference!
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On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change.
Tehcnially Dimaga didn't cheat. He wasn't using any hack program, didn't watch the stream and so on.
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On December 02 2011 22:33 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change. This is really really really wrong. Don't compare them please. LastShadow was caught maphacking, using custom maps where his units produced faster etc and even bragging about beating good players using cheats like this. Dimaga was caught abusing the ladder for the TSL. In my mind atleast there is a huge difference!
WHAT?? He did something that was not allowed in a tournament with a big prize pool.... How can you not compare that to maphacking?
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On December 02 2011 20:28 Klonere wrote:
gogogo join FXO
Good luck to LS and all other players that were on GG. Seems like the team is kinda dead.
it never really seemed to take off other than LS going to Korea.
Edit: Also to the Person who said its probably because of no Foreign Support, LastShadow has stated on his (personal) Facebook that he has no interest in competing in Foreign Tournaments hes interested in staying in Korea and getting "better"
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On December 02 2011 22:25 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:51 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On December 02 2011 21:42 merlin101 wrote:On December 02 2011 21:38 Diizzy wrote:
hes still bm in games And other aren't? Others didn't cheat  Really? TONS of people were caught cheating in SCBW that are fairly big in the community now in SC2. Think back on yourself 5 years ago. I was an idiot 5 years ago and did tons of things I regret. These people who cheated shouldn't be shit on for the rest of their lives because of it - especially because most of the cheating was done in minor events.
Others can be from millions to one. Regardless, OTHERS didn't cheat. Others who cheated are not being talked about here.
I didn't do any stupid stuff in the past five years. Not all people have to behave like dicks at some point in their life to say they have "grown up." Well, it is still a stigma and stigmas don't disappear that easily.
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I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
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Whatever his past might have been he's a great and determined player now and deserves to be respected and on a good team.
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Hmm, interesting. Refreshed the site now, and the statement is gone. Oo
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Something went wrong :S
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FXO want players that live by the korean training style. FXOLastshadow incoming! 
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On December 02 2011 22:42 Klonere wrote:
I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
Comparing someone who maphacked on ladder to someone who threw matches for thousands of dollars?
LS did a lot of stupid things. He was a teenager for heck's sake. Don't tell me you did nothing stupid while you were a teenager?
He has been forgiven and was given a second chance. He has not taken it lightly and is practicing his hear away. Everyone derserves a 2nd chance and so does Lastshadow, Dimaga, HayprO, TT1, and everyone else who hacked in bw. All them have taken their 2nd chances and made good with the community.
Savior threw big important matches for a lot of money. He organized a big match fixing ring. There is a big difference.
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I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
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On December 02 2011 23:04 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:42 Klonere wrote:
I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
Comparing someone who maphacked on ladder to someone who threw matches for thousands of dollars? LS did a lot of stupid things. He was a teenager for heck's sake. Don't tell me you did nothing stupid while you were a teenager? He has been forgiven and was given a second chance. He has not taken it lightly and is practicing his hear away. Everyone derserves a 2nd chance and so does Lastshadow, Dimaga, HayprO, TT1, and everyone else who hacked in bw. All them have taken their 2nd chances and made good with the community. Savior threw big important matches for a lot of money. He organized a big match fixing ring. There is a big difference.
Once again. Dimage never hacked. You can read all about it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=107728
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/11029-gosugamer-acts-against-tsl-abusers
Also if you like, you can compare it to what lastshadow did here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=63176
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Has the community forgiven LastShadow mostly or not? I have a hard time disliking people for very long :/
Back on topic, It kinda sucks that Gosugamers is dead, or looks like it is about to be. They had one of the best team names imo. 
Edit: Also for those who hate Lastshadow, Everyone deserves a second chance. He was a lot younger when he hacked and now he practices a lot and is serious about improving. I am not saying what he did was right, infact it was extremely wrong and very stupid but everyone deserves a second chance. Trying to cheat is something a lot of people when they are younger might try to do, no reason to not give them a second chance eventually. Just my 2 cents but like I said, hard to take my opinion seriously when I can't really stay angry at people for very long lol
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On December 02 2011 23:04 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:42 Klonere wrote:
I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
Comparing someone who maphacked on ladder to someone who threw matches for thousands of dollars? LS did a lot of stupid things. He was a teenager for heck's sake. Don't tell me you did nothing stupid while you were a teenager? He has been forgiven and was given a second chance. He has not taken it lightly and is practicing his hear away. Everyone derserves a 2nd chance and so does Lastshadow, Dimaga, HayprO, TT1, and everyone else who hacked in bw. All them have taken their 2nd chances and made good with the community. Savior threw big important matches for a lot of money. He organized a big match fixing ring. There is a big difference.
Thats exactly what I was trying to say, while TL seems to have a hard time letting LS move on from the hacking he did when he was 14 there are many who wish to see Savior back playing as a pro despite how much worse his actions were than LS's. (I understand of course why people think this, Savior was a special player)
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On December 02 2011 22:33 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change. This is really really really wrong. Don't compare them please. LastShadow was caught maphacking, using custom maps where his units produced faster etc and even bragging about beating good players using cheats like this. Dimaga was caught abusing the ladder for the TSL. In my mind atleast there is a huge difference!
Take TT1 then.
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On December 02 2011 23:12 Kamikiri wrote:Has the community forgiven LastShadow mostly or not? I have a hard time disliking people for very long :/ Back on topic, It kinda sucks that Gosugamers is dead, or looks like it is about to be. They had one of the best team names imo.
The "community" today is mostly people discussing things that happened before they even knew what a Starcraft was so you have to wonder how much the forgiveness of people who don't know what they are actually talking about really matters
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Good luck to LastShadow, he's been playing a shit ton lately and is getting really good, wouldn't be surprised if he got picked up fairly soon.
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