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Update: Statement by LS
On December 02 2011 20:14 lastshadow wrote:
Oasis was getting ready to leave as well, he was just waiting for me to make the decision, he's gone too. Galaxy/Royal already left as well, Oasis was just waiting to see my choice.
I suppose I'll wait for GG.net to make their announcement before I announce my reasonings etc.
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I made the Naugrim thread and I seem to be on time for this one as well. Seems like this is GG for team GG.
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Oasis was getting ready to leave as well, he was just waiting for me to make the decision, he's gone too. Galaxy/Royal already left as well, Oasis was just waiting to see my choice.
I suppose I'll wait for GG.net to make their announcement before I announce my reasonings etc.
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I have a feeling it was for lack of support to foreign tournaments or really anything for that matter, GG didn't really take their players anywhere.
LS would be a good choice for QxG to pick up.
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Korean team? That be really cool.
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Hmmm... Mildly disappointing, but somewhat expected.
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I wonder why all the players left. Really bad situation for GosuGamers.
Good luck to LS & Oasis and co.
ps. LS, i hope your hand is (getting) better.
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Maybe they were getting no support/communication from their managers
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I guess he couldn't handle the pressure.
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On December 02 2011 20:22 Grettin wrote:
I wonder why all the players left. Really bad situation for GosuGamers.
Good luck to LS & Oasis and co.
ps. LS, i hope your hand is (getting) better.
it is getting alot better, hurts sometimes but not nearly as much, thanks though
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On December 02 2011 20:16 masterbreti wrote:
I have a feeling it was for lack of support to foreign tournaments or really anything for that matter, GG didn't really take their players anywhere.
LS would be a good choice for QxG to pick up.
He said in an interview(or was it a vlog) that he doesn't really care about foreign tournaments. Anyway, i hope he finds a good team.
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gogogo join FXO
Good luck to LS and all other players that were on GG. Seems like the team is kinda dead.
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If Lastshadow finds a good Korean team and provided his hand doesn't hold him back, he will be beasting it up in no time.
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hmmm interesting, not sure what is going on with GG atm.
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I can't recall team GG doing ANYTHING in tournaments so this is totally expected.
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On December 02 2011 20:16 masterbreti wrote:
I have a feeling it was for lack of support to foreign tournaments or really anything for that matter, GG didn't really take their players anywhere.
LS would be a good choice for QxG to pick up.
Yep, I agree. Have to see GG.net's statement.
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LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
Where do you have that opinion from? He cheated in 07, he apologized and is not cheating anymore lol. Also why would he be disliked?
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On December 02 2011 21:23 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. Where do you have that opinion from?
That's his legacy...
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
I care.
I dont think LastShadow wont have any trouble joining a korean house as soon as his hand recovers.
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
You dont know how much he has changed. Nothing like what he used to be many years ago. But putting manner aside, there is no doubt that he is skilled and most of all determined.
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
People clearly care, as you can see even from this topic alone >_>
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At first I really thought Team GG had a lot of potential, maybe even enough to rival TL.
But a lot of time passed by and their biggest names were Lastshadow and Naugrim :S
Gosugamers.net is such a big site, I dont understand why they couldnt form a better team.
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On December 02 2011 21:00 Nawe wrote:
So, GG disbands?
Seems so
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On December 02 2011 21:38 Diizzy wrote:
hes still bm in games
And other aren't?
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On December 02 2011 21:42 merlin101 wrote:And other aren't?
Others didn't cheat 
Anyway, guess the GG team didn't work out as planned.
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On December 02 2011 21:42 merlin101 wrote:And other aren't?
"We believe that in electronical gaming, as in any sport, fair-play, sportsmanship, respect, and good manners are important. Further establishing these values in the online gaming community is the vision of GosuGamers."
When representing a page/team/community with a vision/description like that, it goes without saying that he didn't meet the requirements. I wish him the best and his dedication will probably get him places, but as far as him being in Team GG goes, I'd say good riddance. Hopefully they won't allow anyone who's decent/skilled just because they're friends with the manager, but actually set a standard and keep it.
On a side not, I do agree that the "he cheated" stuff isn't really viable anymore. He's clean and has done a lot of nice stuff for people seeking help etc.
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I really like LastShadow. I hope he can find a new team which supports him in Korea.
All the people still talking about the cheating stuff when he was a kid need to stfu.
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never heard anything about team gosugamers. specially that their players are participating in offline tournaments . didnt see any1 of them in the GSL qualis
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Naugrim attended DH Summer 2011 (correct me if I'm wrong). Apart from that I haven't seen any other offline activity.
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I didn't know GosuGamers had a team. I never hear anything about them anymore, not even TL making fun of them. Times have changed
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Naugrim left team GG aswell, apperently they didn't send him to DHW like they were supposed to o_o
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On December 02 2011 21:51 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:42 merlin101 wrote:On December 02 2011 21:38 Diizzy wrote:
hes still bm in games And other aren't? Others didn't cheat
Really? TONS of people were caught cheating in SCBW that are fairly big in the community now in SC2.
Think back on yourself 5 years ago. I was an idiot 5 years ago and did tons of things I regret. These people who cheated shouldn't be shit on for the rest of their lives because of it - especially because most of the cheating was done in minor events.
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change.
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LastShadow is excellent player and his stream is awesome, I bet that any team would be happy to have him on their roster
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hes not that good anyways, why is this a big deal lol
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
TeamLiquid has officially forgiven him. When you forgive someone for something you're not allowed to throw it in their faces anymore or judge them by it.
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On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change.
This is really really really wrong. Don't compare them please. LastShadow was caught maphacking, using custom maps where his units produced faster etc and even bragging about beating good players using cheats like this.
Dimaga was caught abusing the ladder for the TSL. In my mind atleast there is a huge difference!
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On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change.
Tehcnially Dimaga didn't cheat. He wasn't using any hack program, didn't watch the stream and so on.
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On December 02 2011 22:33 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change. This is really really really wrong. Don't compare them please. LastShadow was caught maphacking, using custom maps where his units produced faster etc and even bragging about beating good players using cheats like this. Dimaga was caught abusing the ladder for the TSL. In my mind atleast there is a huge difference!
WHAT?? He did something that was not allowed in a tournament with a big prize pool.... How can you not compare that to maphacking?
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On December 02 2011 20:28 Klonere wrote:
gogogo join FXO
Good luck to LS and all other players that were on GG. Seems like the team is kinda dead.
it never really seemed to take off other than LS going to Korea.
Edit: Also to the Person who said its probably because of no Foreign Support, LastShadow has stated on his (personal) Facebook that he has no interest in competing in Foreign Tournaments hes interested in staying in Korea and getting "better"
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On December 02 2011 22:25 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:51 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On December 02 2011 21:42 merlin101 wrote:On December 02 2011 21:38 Diizzy wrote:
hes still bm in games And other aren't? Others didn't cheat Really? TONS of people were caught cheating in SCBW that are fairly big in the community now in SC2. Think back on yourself 5 years ago. I was an idiot 5 years ago and did tons of things I regret. These people who cheated shouldn't be shit on for the rest of their lives because of it - especially because most of the cheating was done in minor events.
Others can be from millions to one. Regardless, OTHERS didn't cheat. Others who cheated are not being talked about here.
I didn't do any stupid stuff in the past five years. Not all people have to behave like dicks at some point in their life to say they have "grown up." Well, it is still a stigma and stigmas don't disappear that easily.
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I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
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Whatever his past might have been he's a great and determined player now and deserves to be respected and on a good team.
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Hmm, interesting. Refreshed the site now, and the statement is gone. Oo
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Something went wrong :S
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FXO want players that live by the korean training style. FXOLastshadow incoming! 
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On December 02 2011 22:42 Klonere wrote:
I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
Comparing someone who maphacked on ladder to someone who threw matches for thousands of dollars?
LS did a lot of stupid things. He was a teenager for heck's sake. Don't tell me you did nothing stupid while you were a teenager?
He has been forgiven and was given a second chance. He has not taken it lightly and is practicing his hear away. Everyone derserves a 2nd chance and so does Lastshadow, Dimaga, HayprO, TT1, and everyone else who hacked in bw. All them have taken their 2nd chances and made good with the community.
Savior threw big important matches for a lot of money. He organized a big match fixing ring. There is a big difference.
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I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
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On December 02 2011 23:04 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:42 Klonere wrote:
I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
Comparing someone who maphacked on ladder to someone who threw matches for thousands of dollars? LS did a lot of stupid things. He was a teenager for heck's sake. Don't tell me you did nothing stupid while you were a teenager? He has been forgiven and was given a second chance. He has not taken it lightly and is practicing his hear away. Everyone derserves a 2nd chance and so does Lastshadow, Dimaga, HayprO, TT1, and everyone else who hacked in bw. All them have taken their 2nd chances and made good with the community. Savior threw big important matches for a lot of money. He organized a big match fixing ring. There is a big difference.
Once again. Dimage never hacked. You can read all about it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=107728
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/11029-gosugamer-acts-against-tsl-abusers
Also if you like, you can compare it to what lastshadow did here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=63176
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Has the community forgiven LastShadow mostly or not? I have a hard time disliking people for very long :/
Back on topic, It kinda sucks that Gosugamers is dead, or looks like it is about to be. They had one of the best team names imo. 
Edit: Also for those who hate Lastshadow, Everyone deserves a second chance. He was a lot younger when he hacked and now he practices a lot and is serious about improving. I am not saying what he did was right, infact it was extremely wrong and very stupid but everyone deserves a second chance. Trying to cheat is something a lot of people when they are younger might try to do, no reason to not give them a second chance eventually. Just my 2 cents but like I said, hard to take my opinion seriously when I can't really stay angry at people for very long lol
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On December 02 2011 23:04 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:42 Klonere wrote:
I wonder how many people complaining about LS's past are Savior fans T_T
Comparing someone who maphacked on ladder to someone who threw matches for thousands of dollars? LS did a lot of stupid things. He was a teenager for heck's sake. Don't tell me you did nothing stupid while you were a teenager? He has been forgiven and was given a second chance. He has not taken it lightly and is practicing his hear away. Everyone derserves a 2nd chance and so does Lastshadow, Dimaga, HayprO, TT1, and everyone else who hacked in bw. All them have taken their 2nd chances and made good with the community. Savior threw big important matches for a lot of money. He organized a big match fixing ring. There is a big difference.
Thats exactly what I was trying to say, while TL seems to have a hard time letting LS move on from the hacking he did when he was 14 there are many who wish to see Savior back playing as a pro despite how much worse his actions were than LS's. (I understand of course why people think this, Savior was a special player)
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On December 02 2011 22:33 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 22:27 Chicodog wrote:On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. As an example: Dimaga was caught cheating in BW, but many people love him now. People forget and people can change. This is really really really wrong. Don't compare them please. LastShadow was caught maphacking, using custom maps where his units produced faster etc and even bragging about beating good players using cheats like this. Dimaga was caught abusing the ladder for the TSL. In my mind atleast there is a huge difference!
Take TT1 then.
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On December 02 2011 23:12 Kamikiri wrote:Has the community forgiven LastShadow mostly or not? I have a hard time disliking people for very long :/ Back on topic, It kinda sucks that Gosugamers is dead, or looks like it is about to be. They had one of the best team names imo.
The "community" today is mostly people discussing things that happened before they even knew what a Starcraft was so you have to wonder how much the forgiveness of people who don't know what they are actually talking about really matters
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Good luck to LastShadow, he's been playing a shit ton lately and is getting really good, wouldn't be surprised if he got picked up fairly soon.
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On December 02 2011 23:06 floor exercise wrote:
I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
Well the bigger problem for LastShadow is that he's arrogant. Notice how in the OP he's careful to point out that other players on the team are waiting for his decision to make theirs. That kind of stuff characterizes him imo
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On December 02 2011 23:27 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:06 floor exercise wrote:
I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
Well the bigger problem for LastShadow is that he's arrogant. Notice how in the OP he's careful to point out that other players on the team are waiting for his decision to make theirs. That kind of stuff characterizes him imo
It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they lived together for several months and are good friends, no its all about Nick being arrogant. I'm not saying he isn't (a lot of sc2 pros are quite arrogant) its just that is an awful awful example.
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Oasis and the others all said to me "If you leave, we leave." I was GG.net's branch to the Koreans, since we all lived together and were all extremely close, especially me/oasis (who was the one who stayed pending my decision). -__-;
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On December 02 2011 23:31 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:27 Vul wrote:On December 02 2011 23:06 floor exercise wrote:
I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
Well the bigger problem for LastShadow is that he's arrogant. Notice how in the OP he's careful to point out that other players on the team are waiting for his decision to make theirs. That kind of stuff characterizes him imo It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they lived together for several months and are good friends, no its all about Nick being arrogant. I'm not saying he isn't (a lot of sc2 pros are quite arrogant) its just that is an awful awful example.
Maybe you're right, but at the very least that perception is a bigger problem imo
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On December 02 2011 23:39 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:31 Klonere wrote:On December 02 2011 23:27 Vul wrote:On December 02 2011 23:06 floor exercise wrote:
I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
Well the bigger problem for LastShadow is that he's arrogant. Notice how in the OP he's careful to point out that other players on the team are waiting for his decision to make theirs. That kind of stuff characterizes him imo It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they lived together for several months and are good friends, no its all about Nick being arrogant. I'm not saying he isn't (a lot of sc2 pros are quite arrogant) its just that is an awful awful example. Maybe you're right, but at the very least that perception is a bigger problem imo
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to NOT be effing retards and regard evidence and facts more than sensational drama. If they want to think of someone as an arrogant douche, they can go read a gossip magazine.
As anyone who was best friends with their roommate in college can tell you, living together for months or years breeds some deep deep loyalty.
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On December 02 2011 23:39 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:31 Klonere wrote:On December 02 2011 23:27 Vul wrote:On December 02 2011 23:06 floor exercise wrote:
I'm against holding things over people for all eternity but there is a significant difference in intent and severity between what guys like LastShadow did and people who abused to qualify for TSL at the 11th hour. Both bad decisions but to be caught cheating your opponent, and then cheating again after being caught is worse than taking freewins. It just is, the same way not all crimes are equal and to pretend otherwise is ignorance.
People can change and people make mistakes, no matter how big or small. But to say LS = Dimaga = F91 = Testie = TT1 is bullshit
Well the bigger problem for LastShadow is that he's arrogant. Notice how in the OP he's careful to point out that other players on the team are waiting for his decision to make theirs. That kind of stuff characterizes him imo It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that they lived together for several months and are good friends, no its all about Nick being arrogant. I'm not saying he isn't (a lot of sc2 pros are quite arrogant) its just that is an awful awful example. Maybe you're right, but at the very least that perception is a bigger problem imo
Nah its just a bad example, LS is arrogant to a degree but says quite a bit on stream how bad he is at the game
+ Show Spoiler + A better example of the whole arrogance thing would be when he was reviewing a replay yesterday and said that his 2x speed was more like 8x cos of how fast he is
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A player leaves his team along with his other teammates and he gets flak for his past cheating history? People DO change , whether for the better or worse.
anyway hope LS gets picked up by another rising team like QxG.
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Yeah agreed with kurrysauce. Kid made some mistakes but he's proven himself over and over again.Fuck the haters thanks shadow!
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I can't see any team with a brand to protect pick him up any time soon. It will probably be a smaller/newer team which can't afford to be picky.
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I don't think he should be criticized for his record. Everyone does stupid things in their teens that they would be ashamed off, dosen't mean they wouldn't grow out of it. So far, he looks fine and in his interview, he looks really determined as well as being a nice guy.
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He was just 14 when it happened and he shows so much potential and work ethic now. Really hoping he can step it up to the big leagues - next Jaedong anyone?
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Nick I hope your hand is feeling better I was really looking forward to you playing in Providence... 
You will continue living in the gom house and stay in Korea yes ?
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On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol.
Dude so many people cheated in brood war. I've met him and he's a really nice guy, he's changed a lot. You should check out his vlogs to get a better understanding of him.
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Why are they all leaving their teams. So much team shuffling and no name change haha
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On December 03 2011 00:10 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 21:20 lightrise wrote:
LastShadow is still a cheater and disliked player. No one really cares lol. Dude so many people cheated in brood war. I've met him and he's a really nice guy, he's changed a lot. You should check out his vlogs to get a better understanding of him.
My last comment about this. Everyone did stupid shit when they were 14. Its how you take those experiences and motivate yourself to define who you really are
Peace
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he's still arrogant in some ways or "bm" in my opinion, and ppl keep saying he's not cheating anymore / we forgive him that he cheated bla bla bla - i am with them, everyone can make mistakes, thats why we are human and not robots.
nuff said
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Could you all please, please stop the fucking cheating debate. It's so full of shit and hypocrisy and it gets brought up every. single. goddamn time TT1/LS are being mentioned in any thread on reddit or TL (but everyone loves DIMAGA and HayprO). There is a reason why these guys got absolution from TL, it's so people like you can lay their pitchforks to rest and say, it's ok boys, you have your second chance.
Go and complain about Deezer if you want to bash a player or do some other useful thing FFS. This makes me so mad...
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