EPTCocA Incident Handled Correctly? - Page 14
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
Fire as in lighting the diamond encrusted sigar as you sit on your jetsky made of dollars and gold. Sure if it was done here in holland he would get a minor tap on the fingers. But I'm not Korean and I don't know jack about what they really look down upon. So I don't see it as a terrible punishment if they really feel like its a bad thing. All depends on the values | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:57 Ganseng wrote: There was actually no Code A spot at stake. (see previous posts)I think the op misinterprets the accident. in fact, coca helped his teammate get a spot in code a by losing that game and maybe the next one, so there is a clear gain for him in dropping that game. but i don't feel qualified to judge the severity of the deed and of the punishment. edit yeahaaa! i'm marine now!  ))/there should be a bot to post this at every 4-5 posts | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:40 Numy wrote: If he doesn't will we just keep saying "Have to make a scapegoat so others won't do but it sucks for Coca". Unfortunate, yes. But some do blow the punishment out of proportion. He is not the only one "not on Slayers A-team". It's a reminder to everybody what it takes to earn that privilege. He is not suddenly the outcast being spitted upon. In the KR netizen public, maybe. But none of us really can tell how things are handled internally and especially on a personal level. None of us can tell how he is being treated by Boxer, Cella and Jessica, what they told him exactly. There's a certain sentiment inside TL saying "he'll never make it back". On the other hand, from Slayers' point of view "with such a mentality, one might not have been fit for the A-team anyway". Forfeiting Code S is a huge deal, I get it. But on the other hand, it's a 2-month ban at the end of the year. Not a life-ban. Plus, there is to be more permeability to be expected with GSL's new format. I feel that's not the important part anyway- for Coca that is. I do imagine being thrown out of the house is the biggest disgrace, Yet again, we can't comment on how things will go on from this point. Is he really being left in the rain by his team? Or is it "show us that you're worth it". He will have to go through internal selections again. Being measured against all the others that are eager to climb up the ranks. Either he comes out on top or some other talent steals the show. At that time, it will be left to the team's upper echelon to judge. But that is part of the everyday process within a team | ||
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:00 turamn wrote: Because there was no "match-fixing"?I don't really understand why there's any grey area one way or another...match fixing is match fixing. It's pretty much the worst thing you can do in eSports. If he's guilty, then he should be prepared to suffer the most severe of consequences. He's lucky that SC2 isn't KESPA governed, or he might be banned for life. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
Its just this time they litterally spelt it out lol | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:06 firehand101 wrote: Not in this case - it was for very serious purpose: self-development and practice (particularly ZvT practice). You can also compare it to people who nuke themselves to demonstrate their advantage (and sometimes lose), but applied to a series in which you would handicap yourself with 1 game to make it more challenging and to extend your practice with 1 more game.throwing away matches on purpose even for no gain, shows they do not take their role seriously. | ||
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Ganseng
Russian Federation473 Posts
On November 17 2011 21:59 Numy wrote: Firstly Byun isn't his teammate. Secondly there was no code A spot up for grabs. So clearly there is no gain for dropping that game. You are the one that misinterprets the situation. well i was misinformed by this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566 but now when i read some explanations i still don't see a fair play in this game. it was matchfixing spoken out aloud, no matter for what purpose. | ||
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rblstr
Ireland398 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:44 Ganseng wrote: well i was misinformed by this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285566 but now when i read some explanations i still don't see a fair play in this game. it was matchfixing spoken out aloud, no matter for what purpose. It wasn't match fixing. It would be match fixing if they went into the game and Coca played bad / made mistakes on purpose in order to lose the game. But he CLEARLY says in the FULL chat log to the game that he didn't care if he win or lost he wanted to forfeit for more practice. | ||
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Ganseng
Russian Federation473 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:47 rblstr wrote: It wasn't match fixing. It would be match fixing if they went into the game and Coca played bad / made mistakes on purpose in order to lose the game. But he CLEARLY says in the FULL chat log to the game that he didn't care if he win or lost he wanted to forfeit for more practice. i don't see principal difference here. press surrender button without any reason to do so or make moves on purpose that will lead you to defeat is the same for me. he didn't make any secret out of his intentions, yes it's true. but even if you don't make a secret of your misdemeanour, it's still misdemeanour. if you want more practice, you can always play customs. if you play in a televised tournament, be so nice and show a gg. | ||
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Frankon
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adun12345
United States198 Posts
It's good to see these players' teams taking an active role in enforcing professional standards in their players' conduct. Continuing to foster an atmosphere of professionalism is important to the future growth of the E-Sports scene. | ||
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rblstr
Ireland398 Posts
On November 17 2011 22:53 Ganseng wrote: i don't see principal difference here. press surrender button without any reason to do so or make moves on purpose that will lead you to defeat is the same for me. he didn't make any secret out of his intentions, yes it's true. but even if you don't make a secret of your misdemeanour, it's still misdemeanour. if you want more practice, you can always play customs. if you play in a televised tournament, be so nice and show a gg. He did show a gg, thats the point.. He played all the matches and they were submitted to be casted. They were good games too, both players playing to win. At the end of the day why do we accept player A surrendering to player B as player B winning even if player A has won the game? | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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whitefluff
United States22 Posts
This is not the end of his career (I hope). It is merely a lesson that in a competitive environment, any form of intentional loss is unacceptable. And lets be honest. In January, who here believes they won't be seeing coca on the SlayerS A team again?  I mean really people. | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
If he is willing to throw a match to help a friend get into code S, then he deserves to have his code S status taken away. | ||
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rblstr
Ireland398 Posts
On November 17 2011 23:00 ishboh wrote: i think that is completely reasonable that he be taken from code S and for him to have to re-earn his spot. match fixing is serious business. If he is willing to throw a match to help a friend get into code S, then he deserves to have his code S status taken away. Please read the whole thread before posting please. Nothing you said is true and its only adding to the misinformation already floating around these threads. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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