Where is MaDFroG ? - Page 5

On October 28 2011 14:23 TheLOLas wrote:
Players come and go with time. It's how e-sports works. I mean Fruitdealer won the first GSL and now you don;t even see him anymore.

On October 28 2011 14:34 Hyren wrote:


I've heard it is him, I've heard it isn't him, I've hear it is him but he'll deny it if you ask him in-game. :/

On October 28 2011 16:52 Honeybadger wrote:
I wonder where cowgomoo went. dude was crazy good in the beta.

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On October 28 2011 14:46 michielbrands wrote:


Are you crazy?

MaDFroG was the HuK of warcraft, the first foreigner too have succes in Korea. It's a great shame he quitted so early in his carreer, he brought Undead to another level. I can't really judge his StarCraft carreer, but if he was able to carry his decission making, micro & creativity over to StarCraft he most definitly would be able to take a shot at the top.

On October 28 2011 14:10 DoomsVille wrote:

I mean this certainly is part of the issue. But even back then ling/muta/bling was the go to combination in ZvT. And that certainly hasn't changed with most zergs. Honestly, IdrA for example, hasn't changed his ZvT style much at all in the last year.

On October 28 2011 17:53 Grumbels wrote:
Cauthonluck (Cluck!) had results well into release and was still one of the better terran players back then. His style was slightly gimmicky, but almost everyone's was back then. The reason he quit the game was because he was offered a job opportunity, not because he was a scrub who abused terran only. Yeah, he was famous for his 11rax/11fac/11starport banshee all-in against Idra and beating him 4-0 (1?) in the King of the Beta Hill(?) series, but he had legitimate results.

Silver was quite a revolutionary player I think. In a time where everyone was still apprehensive, waiting to see how the SC2 metagame would work out, players like Idra were just working on raising their overall gameplay, he realized that he could have success right then and there because he had a good talent for discovering timings. It's actually not trivial to see if the game would end up being about macro and mechanics, similar to Brood War. Artosis always said that and he turned out to be right, but I think it could have been different and for a portion of time it really was different. Silver was one of the few good players to really run with that idea, just coming up with 'abusive' builds.
This also takes talent, a lot of the people good in beta didn't have the highest of APM, but they had RTS experience and were very clever. Nowadays, like Silver, they've faded, but in a way it was a more interesting time than it is now.

Also, MadFrog was terrible. I don't know if he just didn't practice enough, but he could never play well enough to beat anyone who played straight up. A player like him wouldn't win anything now.

On October 28 2011 20:32 Hider wrote:


What abusive build did Silver come up with? Tanks on high grounds? 1 base thor push?

He played kidna like every other terran back then. And obv. terran had it easy back then, and Idra was without a doubt a better mechanical player than him. But of course the reason he stopped playing wasn't because he was extremely bad and only could win with gimmicks. Players like Naniwa and HUk and lots of other terran players were abusive back then, and slowly improved and played a stronger and stronger macro style.

And sc2 definitely was supposed to be a macro game. If sc2 still was played as it was back in beta/early release it would never had the succes it had now, as everybody would have gotton tired of the allins.

So thinkin Silver was extremely intelligent or thinking he was an extremely bad player is not true. He was just a pretty decent terran player who played like most other terran players, and happened to beat idra.

On October 28 2011 20:29 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
It's amusing how many of you think zerg was sooo UP back in 2010. Spare me the bullshit, after the reaper nerf, only thing that affected zerg was a bunker rush witch could be easily blocked by having a freaking drone at the bottom of the ramp. Besides that, muta/ling/baneling was as strong back then as it is now, only difference are the infestor plays you see today, witch were used back then also, to a lesser extent( ling infestor).