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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
he was playing in a time where Zerg really wasn't figured out IMO He had incredible micro and decision making but his macro was just so poor. I had really high hopes for him EDIT: idk why so many of you are talking about silver MadFrog was literally a legend in WC3. This thread should stay on track | ||
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Soulriser
United States192 Posts
On October 28 2011 12:50 Consolidate wrote: What are you talking about? Right after Stephano won IPL, Idra said he thought Stephano was a 'gimmicky' player whose style would be 'figured out'. Which in and of itself is ridiculous because Stephano has more far more playstyles than one-note macro. Lo' and behold, his fans begin spouting the same bullshit. Idra is pretty transparent. it is gimmicky, and it will be figured out. thats just how the game goes. he didnt say he was a stupid player or he was bad or he should apologize for playing his race. hes said several times that Stephano is really really good, ive heard him say it on SotG before. ive seen idra all-in and cheese before too? long macro games are generally more enjoyable and exciting than bullshit all-in cheeses. also @Za7oX, Tyler hasnt done a whole lot in SC2, so he mightve gotten to where hes at, but he doesnt do very much with it, so i didnt count him. Jinro, Nony, and Idra were basically the 3 best foreigners in BW | ||
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote: Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver? oh come on you cant compare madfrog to ' silver ' or cauthonlock | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
Great WC3 player? - yes WC3 Legend? - no imo | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:54 pbjsandwich wrote: IT's a shame he never stuck with the game he was playing in a time where Zerg really wasn't figured out IMO He had incredible micro and decision making but his macro was just so poor. I had really high hopes for him EDIT: idk why so many of you are talking about silver MadFrog was literally a legend in WC3. This thread should stay on track Honestly, it was a time when zerg was destroyed up the butthole by balance + shitty map pools. The balance started to fix itself late 2010. The map pool situation started to fix itself early 2011. NesTea and Fruitdealers wins are absolutely astonishing considering the state of the game at the time of each tournament. Granted, NesTea did play a fair few ZvZs and Fruitdealer got ridiculously lucky to even reach the finals... but still. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:02 Naniwa wrote: oh come on you cant compare madfrog to ' silver ' or cauthonlock Agree 100%. Madfrog dropped out of the scene because his race was so terrible he couldn't get results (and a decent salary because of it). Silver/cauthonluck dropped out because their race stopped being ridiculously OP. Anyone that disagrees with that is fooling themselves. Back in those days, Terran was OP. They have been nerfed almost every patch since and still dominate. The map pool has continued to get worse for Terran but it hasn't been an issue. Can you imagine what it was like being a zerg this time last year? | ||
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:03 DoomsVille wrote: Honestly, it was a time when zerg was destroyed up the butthole by balance + shitty map pools. The balance started to fix itself late 2010. The map pool situation started to fix itself early 2011. NesTea and Fruitdealers wins are absolutely astonishing considering the state of the game at the time of each tournament. Granted, NesTea did play a fair few ZvZs and Fruitdealer got ridiculously lucky to even reach the finals... but still. i don't think anyone would deny that zerg was just really not developed metagame wise in the early part of the game I think if he started a bit later with more developed zerg strategies he probably would've succeeded | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:06 pbjsandwich wrote: i don't think anyone would deny that zerg was just really not developed metagame wise in the early part of the game I think if he started a bit later with more developed zerg strategies he probably would've succeeded I mean this certainly is part of the issue. But even back then ling/muta/bling was the go to combination in ZvT. And that certainly hasn't changed with most zergs. Honestly, IdrA for example, hasn't changed his ZvT style much at all in the last year. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: Madfrog dropped out of the scene because his race was so terrible he couldn't get results (and a decent salary because of it). Stop just making up stuff if you don't know anything about the player. He didn't quit because of race-imbalance, he quit because he has a full-time job as a prison guard and couldn't keep up with the best because of that. Approximately how much time do you usually practice per day? Anywhere from zero to a maximum of ten hours, somewhere in that range, depending on my schedule. So, are you saying it is somewhat comparable to a South Korean player’s regiment? No, not at all... I get so frustrated, like when I have every sixth day of the week off, because I just worked six days in a row... The last of those seven days I feel so good and everything about my game feels great. But, then it's back to work, making a weekend's twelve-hour work day... so the other twelve hours of that day I have to sleep, so after that weekend, all the things I built up are kind of lost... http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/31030-MaDFroG_I_really_missed_the_competitive_gaming | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:14 Awesomeness wrote: Stop just making up stuff if you don't know anything about the player. He didn't quit because of race-imbalance, he quit because he has a full-time job as a prison guard and couldn't keep up with the best because of that. Fine. That wasn't the only reason. But you have to agree that he likely would have had better results if the state of the game back then was what it is now. And better results would have given him much more bargaining room during his negotiations with SK. | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:03 Awesomeness wrote: IMO Madfrog was one of the most overrated players even back in WC3. He had like 6 months where he actually was one of the best in the world, but other than that...He was good obviously, but he could never live up to the hype. Then he went inactive and had a couple of comebacks that somewhat failed. Great WC3 player? - yes WC3 Legend? - no imo i mean if you go by pure accomplishments i guess he was overrated but in terms of talent and his impact on the game? He's a legend no doubt | ||
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:03 Awesomeness wrote: IMO Madfrog was one of the most overrated players even back in WC3. He had like 6 months where he actually was one of the best in the world, but other than that...He was good obviously, but he could never live up to the hype. Then he went inactive and had a couple of comebacks that somewhat failed. Great WC3 player? - yes WC3 Legend? - no imo He was undead tho | ||
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laharl23
United States582 Posts
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
 I don't mind people calling him a legend, just depends on how you define that word. I just felt that he was overhyped for a long time in his career and didn't have the results to back it up. | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On October 28 2011 13:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: It's likely they just all assumed it was the same guy, so it probably isn't  I've heard it is him, I've heard it isn't him, I've hear it is him but he'll deny it if you ask him in-game. :/ | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote: Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver? Ahh man Cauthonluck was such a boss in the beta. I think Silver was a bit overrated though. He was just another guy riding the "I beat IdrA as terran while they were OP" wave... though he wasn't as overrated as Masq. I'm not saying any of them could or couldn't have done well if they continued on, but I was just stating what I thought of them at the time. As for Madfrog himself, I wasn't too impressed by his mechanics from what I recall. I recall hearing that he quit. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:03 Awesomeness wrote: IMO Madfrog was one of the most overrated players even back in WC3. He had like 6 months where he actually was one of the best in the world, but other than that...He was good obviously, but he could never live up to the hype. Then he went inactive and had a couple of comebacks that somewhat failed. Great WC3 player? - yes WC3 Legend? - no imo Are you crazy? MaDFroG was the HuK of warcraft, the first foreigner too have succes in Korea. It's a great shame he quitted so early in his carreer, he brought Undead to another level. I can't really judge his StarCraft carreer, but if he was able to carry his decission making, micro & creativity over to StarCraft he most definitly would be able to take a shot at the top. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 28 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote: Agree 100%. Madfrog dropped out of the scene because his race was so terrible he couldn't get results (and a decent salary because of it). Silver/cauthonluck dropped out because their race stopped being ridiculously OP. Anyone that disagrees with that is fooling themselves. Back in those days, Terran was OP. They have been nerfed almost every patch since and still dominate. The map pool has continued to get worse for Terran but it hasn't been an issue. Can you imagine what it was like being a zerg this time last year? ZvT was my best matchup in beta til now. always has been even through 5 rax reaper (i had just been consistantly defending it when it was nerfed).  so i dunno terran Was NOT near OP until late in beta. Terran was horrible (HORRIBLE) until roaches + zealots got nerfed hard. | ||
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