Where is MaDFroG ?

On October 28 2011 08:34 ampson wrote:
Last I heard he was a prison guard and not playing competitively.

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

On October 28 2011 08:55 unit wrote:

i'd have said the same of huk back in the beta, honestly i think silver couldve done it with enough practice, he's quite a smart player

On October 28 2011 08:59 OSM.OneManArmy wrote:


idk, his primary builds did involve abusing terran back when it was really OP. i remember he even took games off of IdrA in the manner morrow did abusing the 5rax reaper build and lost temples tank cliff placement. he did quit after the patch that nerfed terran pretty hard came i believe, correct me if im wrong.

On October 28 2011 09:11 KingPaddy wrote:


Hmm.. I didn't follow the SC2 scene in the beginning, but all the games I've seen from Madfrog he played as Zerg. Perhaps he switched races..?

As far as I know he worked as a prison guard all the time he played SC2, that's perhaps why his results weren't that impressive (but I liked his style). Then to commit full time to SC2 he demanded a higher salary from SK, but due to his results they didn't want to reach his expectations..
Kinda sad, I'm pretty sure he would have became one of the top Europeans.

On October 28 2011 08:36 ClutchSC wrote:
Silver just wasn't good enough to sustain a pro-gaming career.

On October 28 2011 09:24 Fanek wrote:
Silver from Canada? Did he win something?
I know nothing about this guy.

On October 28 2011 08:42 ZAiNs wrote:

Cauthonluck quit and I thiiiiiiink now plays LoL. Silver quit as well. Their respective teams both made official statements, but MadFrog was teamless for a while then just disappeared.

On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

On October 28 2011 09:23 Piledriver wrote:



This is a perfect example of being an IdrA sheep. Silver was having excellent results even when he quit, but most people still irrationally hate on him (like they hated Cruncher) just because IdrA said "He is a terrible player".

I think its good to have your own opinions once in a while and look at results and players objectively instead of parroting what IdrA says. Almost every person who IdrA calls terrible are people who he has lost to at some point and he just doesnt have the humility to accept that he got outplayed by them. He even called people like KiwiKaKi, MarineKing, Nestea , HuK and NaNiwa terrible at some points of time, and they are all better players than him (except for maybe KiwiKaKi) and have better results than him as well.

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On October 28 2011 09:32 Denzil wrote:


Idra's called most of Korea bad, what's your point? No need to bash him in a thread that doesn't warrant it.

On October 28 2011 09:19 lysergic wrote:

Silver was an abusive Terran player, I don't know if he still plays.
MadFrog played Zerg, I remember he was one of the first Zerg's I watched when I was discovering the SC2 pro scene. Him, Idra, Silver, TLO, and HuK

On October 28 2011 10:37 Consolidate wrote:
I hate Idra's character assassination of Silver and the fact that all of his fanboys keep repeating that shit.

Silver was a really smart kid who didn't have his heart in pro-gaming, it had nothing to do with 'not being good enough'.

Under that criteria half of EG should stop wasting their time and quit as well.

On October 28 2011 10:44 HyperLimen wrote:



Yeah he was 'smart' enough to exploit a shitty map pool and things that have since been patched by blizzard.

He was a gimmicky scrub, and Idra hit the nail on the head when it came to him.

On October 28 2011 09:24 Fanek wrote:
Silver from Canada? Did he win something?
I know nothing about this guy.

On October 28 2011 10:37 Consolidate wrote:
I hate Idra's character assassination of Silver and the fact that all of his fanboys keep repeating that shit.

Silver was a really smart kid who didn't have his heart in pro-gaming, it had nothing to do with 'not being good enough'.

Under that criteria half of EG should stop wasting their time and quit as well.

On October 28 2011 11:01 GinDo wrote:
What happened to Masq. Thats my question. He was so good.

On October 28 2011 09:36 JayJay_90 wrote:

He is indeed working as a prison guard (Source).

Also why is this thread about Silver and Cauthonluck now?

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On October 28 2011 10:44 HyperLimen wrote:



Yeah he was 'smart' enough to exploit a shitty map pool and things that have since been patched by blizzard.

He was a gimmicky scrub, and Idra hit the nail on the head when it came to him.

On October 28 2011 12:28 Buffy wrote:
After looking at those games again silver vs idra. Still thinks he was overrated :D Abusing the cliff on Lost tempel, and close pos metalopolis 1 base mech allin. If thats some kind of overwhelming skill, heck. I dont know what skill is anymore.

On October 28 2011 10:48 Falcor wrote:


any time a new guy comes into the scene and is getting more attention then idra. all idra does is shit on the kid until the community agrees. Everyone exploited the shitty map pools back in the day. Omg jinro what a fucking scrub double bunker idras ramp close spawns on metal!!!!

Im getting really tired of north american bw pros getting a easy ride because they're known names...when theres people who if only given the chance would pour their heart into the game(not talking about silver). And not " im so good i dont need to practise ill wait til everyone catches up"...lol howd that work out for you...

edit: or the whole " the money is in the foreign scene so we dont need our players to be in korea" even tho everyone knew that koreans would start showing up in foreign events and shit on everyone

On October 28 2011 09:24 Fanek wrote:
Silver from Canada? Did he win something?
I know nothing about this guy.

On October 28 2011 12:41 Soulriser wrote:


i dont think i ever heard idra bash on stephano? hes mannered up quite a bit. and everyone abuses shitty maps now. you think XNC is balanced? LOL. and they JUST removed close spawns from maps.

by NA BW pros you mean... idra? 0.o he was really the only good one. no one has gotten an 'easy ride' because they were known. they had connections and knew people, so when SC2 came out, they were simply 1 step ahead. they didnt practice less just because other people needed to 'catch up'. BW players had an advantage, yeah, but it was by no means 'easy'.

actually, most foreign players didnt go to korea to play because they couldnt. kespa is annoying like that, you need all kinds of paperwork to get deeply involved in something like GSL.

On October 28 2011 12:41 Soulriser wrote:


i dont think i ever heard idra bash on stephano? hes mannered up quite a bit. and everyone abuses shitty maps now. you think XNC is balanced? LOL. and they JUST removed close spawns from maps.

by NA BW pros you mean... idra? 0.o he was really the only good one. no one has gotten an 'easy ride' because they were known. they had connections and knew people, so when SC2 came out, they were simply 1 step ahead. they didnt practice less just because other people needed to 'catch up'. BW players had an advantage, yeah, but it was by no means 'easy'.

actually, most foreign players didnt go to korea to play because they couldnt. kespa is annoying like that, you need all kinds of paperwork to get deeply involved in something like GSL.

On October 28 2011 12:48 Gamegene wrote:
Bah. Silver fans only know him for beating IdrA and defend him religiously while IdrA fans only know Silver for beating IdrA and attack him religiously.

Two sides, same coin both suck.

Remember Masq? I played a 1v1 obs with him and he still seems to be playing around masters level. No real notability except beating IdrA.

On October 28 2011 08:59 eieio wrote:


I'm pretty sure he plays LoL now. I've seen his name a few times when I watch high level LoL streams so either it's him or someone else is playing LoL with his name.

On October 28 2011 13:27 eieio wrote:


Thanks, I've actually been super curious about that.

On October 28 2011 13:46 eieio wrote:



lol T___________T some day I'll know for certain.

On October 28 2011 12:50 Consolidate wrote:


What are you talking about?

Right after Stephano won IPL, Idra said he thought Stephano was a 'gimmicky' player whose style would be 'figured out'. Which in and of itself is ridiculous because Stephano has more far more playstyles than one-note macro.

Lo' and behold, his fans begin spouting the same bullshit.

Idra is pretty transparent.

On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

On October 28 2011 13:54 pbjsandwich wrote:
IT's a shame he never stuck with the game

he was playing in a time where Zerg really wasn't figured out IMO

He had incredible micro and decision making but his macro was just so poor. I had really high hopes for him

EDIT: idk why so many of you are talking about silver

MadFrog was literally a legend in WC3. This thread should stay on track

On October 28 2011 14:02 Naniwa wrote:


oh come on you cant compare madfrog to ' silver ' or cauthonlock

On October 28 2011 14:03 DoomsVille wrote:

Honestly, it was a time when zerg was destroyed up the butthole by balance + shitty map pools.

The balance started to fix itself late 2010. The map pool situation started to fix itself early 2011.

NesTea and Fruitdealers wins are absolutely astonishing considering the state of the game at the time of each tournament. Granted, NesTea did play a fair few ZvZs and Fruitdealer got ridiculously lucky to even reach the finals... but still.

On October 28 2011 14:06 pbjsandwich wrote:

i don't think anyone would deny that zerg was just really not developed metagame wise in the early part of the game

I think if he started a bit later with more developed zerg strategies he probably would've succeeded

On October 28 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote:

Madfrog dropped out of the scene because his race was so terrible he couldn't get results (and a decent salary because of it).

Approximately how much time do you usually practice per day?

Anywhere from zero to a maximum of ten hours, somewhere in that range, depending on my schedule.

So, are you saying it is somewhat comparable to a South Korean player’s regiment?

No, not at all... I get so frustrated, like when I have every sixth day of the week off, because I just worked six days in a row... The last of those seven days I feel so good and everything about my game feels great. But, then it's back to work, making a weekend's twelve-hour work day... so the other twelve hours of that day I have to sleep, so after that weekend, all the things I built up are kind of lost...

On October 28 2011 14:14 Awesomeness wrote:


Stop just making up stuff if you don't know anything about the player. He didn't quit because of race-imbalance, he quit because he has a full-time job as a prison guard and couldn't keep up with the best because of that.

On October 28 2011 14:03 Awesomeness wrote:
IMO Madfrog was one of the most overrated players even back in WC3. He had like 6 months where he actually was one of the best in the world, but other than that...He was good obviously, but he could never live up to the hype. Then he went inactive and had a couple of comebacks that somewhat failed.

Great WC3 player? - yes
WC3 Legend? - no imo

On October 28 2011 14:03 Awesomeness wrote:
IMO Madfrog was one of the most overrated players even back in WC3. He had like 6 months where he actually was one of the best in the world, but other than that...He was good obviously, but he could never live up to the hype. Then he went inactive and had a couple of comebacks that somewhat failed.

Great WC3 player? - yes
WC3 Legend? - no imo

On October 28 2011 13:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


It's likely they just all assumed it was the same guy, so it probably isn't

On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

On October 28 2011 14:03 Awesomeness wrote:
IMO Madfrog was one of the most overrated players even back in WC3. He had like 6 months where he actually was one of the best in the world, but other than that...He was good obviously, but he could never live up to the hype. Then he went inactive and had a couple of comebacks that somewhat failed.

Great WC3 player? - yes
WC3 Legend? - no imo

On October 28 2011 14:05 DoomsVille wrote:

Agree 100%.

Madfrog dropped out of the scene because his race was so terrible he couldn't get results (and a decent salary because of it).

Silver/cauthonluck dropped out because their race stopped being ridiculously OP. Anyone that disagrees with that is fooling themselves. Back in those days, Terran was OP. They have been nerfed almost every patch since and still dominate. The map pool has continued to get worse for Terran but it hasn't been an issue.

Can you imagine what it was like being a zerg this time last year?

On October 28 2011 14:23 TheLOLas wrote:
Players come and go with time. It's how e-sports works. I mean Fruitdealer won the first GSL and now you don;t even see him anymore.

On October 28 2011 14:34 Hyren wrote:


I've heard it is him, I've heard it isn't him, I've hear it is him but he'll deny it if you ask him in-game. :/

On October 28 2011 16:52 Honeybadger wrote:
I wonder where cowgomoo went. dude was crazy good in the beta.

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On October 28 2011 14:46 michielbrands wrote:


Are you crazy?

MaDFroG was the HuK of warcraft, the first foreigner too have succes in Korea. It's a great shame he quitted so early in his carreer, he brought Undead to another level. I can't really judge his StarCraft carreer, but if he was able to carry his decission making, micro & creativity over to StarCraft he most definitly would be able to take a shot at the top.

On October 28 2011 14:10 DoomsVille wrote:

I mean this certainly is part of the issue. But even back then ling/muta/bling was the go to combination in ZvT. And that certainly hasn't changed with most zergs. Honestly, IdrA for example, hasn't changed his ZvT style much at all in the last year.

On October 28 2011 17:53 Grumbels wrote:
Cauthonluck (Cluck!) had results well into release and was still one of the better terran players back then. His style was slightly gimmicky, but almost everyone's was back then. The reason he quit the game was because he was offered a job opportunity, not because he was a scrub who abused terran only. Yeah, he was famous for his 11rax/11fac/11starport banshee all-in against Idra and beating him 4-0 (1?) in the King of the Beta Hill(?) series, but he had legitimate results.

Silver was quite a revolutionary player I think. In a time where everyone was still apprehensive, waiting to see how the SC2 metagame would work out, players like Idra were just working on raising their overall gameplay, he realized that he could have success right then and there because he had a good talent for discovering timings. It's actually not trivial to see if the game would end up being about macro and mechanics, similar to Brood War. Artosis always said that and he turned out to be right, but I think it could have been different and for a portion of time it really was different. Silver was one of the few good players to really run with that idea, just coming up with 'abusive' builds.
This also takes talent, a lot of the people good in beta didn't have the highest of APM, but they had RTS experience and were very clever. Nowadays, like Silver, they've faded, but in a way it was a more interesting time than it is now.

Also, MadFrog was terrible. I don't know if he just didn't practice enough, but he could never play well enough to beat anyone who played straight up. A player like him wouldn't win anything now.

On October 28 2011 20:32 Hider wrote:


What abusive build did Silver come up with? Tanks on high grounds? 1 base thor push?

He played kidna like every other terran back then. And obv. terran had it easy back then, and Idra was without a doubt a better mechanical player than him. But of course the reason he stopped playing wasn't because he was extremely bad and only could win with gimmicks. Players like Naniwa and HUk and lots of other terran players were abusive back then, and slowly improved and played a stronger and stronger macro style.

And sc2 definitely was supposed to be a macro game. If sc2 still was played as it was back in beta/early release it would never had the succes it had now, as everybody would have gotton tired of the allins.

So thinkin Silver was extremely intelligent or thinking he was an extremely bad player is not true. He was just a pretty decent terran player who played like most other terran players, and happened to beat idra.

On October 28 2011 20:29 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
It's amusing how many of you think zerg was sooo UP back in 2010. Spare me the bullshit, after the reaper nerf, only thing that affected zerg was a bunker rush witch could be easily blocked by having a freaking drone at the bottom of the ramp. Besides that, muta/ling/baneling was as strong back then as it is now, only difference are the infestor plays you see today, witch were used back then also, to a lesser extent( ling infestor).

On October 28 2011 20:29 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
It's amusing how many of you think zerg was sooo UP back in 2010. Spare me the bullshit, after the reaper nerf, only thing that affected zerg was a bunker rush witch could be easily blocked by having a freaking drone at the bottom of the ramp. Besides that, muta/ling/baneling was as strong back then as it is now, only difference are the infestor plays you see today, witch were used back then also, to a lesser extent( ling infestor).

On October 28 2011 20:35 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:


Back then ,Zerg didn't even know they could magic box, and Idra wen't roaches. Rushing mutas was a good tactic in stopping that high ground abuse on LT.

On October 28 2011 20:29 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
It's amusing how many of you think zerg was sooo UP back in 2010. Spare me the bullshit, after the reaper nerf, only thing that affected zerg was a bunker rush witch could be easily blocked by having a freaking drone at the bottom of the ramp. Besides that, muta/ling/baneling was as strong back then as it is now, only difference are the infestor plays you see today, witch were used back then also, to a lesser extent( ling infestor).

On October 28 2011 20:38 Hider wrote:


Given that the maps played and no infestor buff (meaning you didn't actually need ghosts to counter hive tech) terran was a better race back then. However playing terran in macro game was just more difficult, and requires more practice. Controlling muta/bling just comes more natural than controlling tank marines. Terrans have slowly learned how to play macro games and hence slowly gotton nerfed in each patch.

On October 28 2011 11:01 GinDo wrote:
What happened to Masq. Thats my question. He was so good.

On October 28 2011 20:45 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:


What has gotten nerfed that has affected zerg? Marines haven't, tanks haven't( I'm talking post beta here). Hive tech besides Infestors killing everything in a few fungals like now ,was the same.

On October 28 2011 20:44 Micket wrote:

Steppes of war? You are very funny my friend hahahahahahhahha. The Zergs of today won't win a game on that map, and this is a Zerg that has been buffed whilst Terran has been nerfed. Delta Quadrant? Xelnaga Caverns was the second best Zerg map at the time, what does that tell you ? You're completely crazy if you think Zerg was any good.

On October 28 2011 20:53 shell wrote:
Wasn't madfrog a top BW player before war3?

On October 28 2011 20:54 Hider wrote:


Eh I kinda stated it in my post:

- Map changes
- Infestor buff (which made them much stronger at dealing with vikings).

I guess btw you dont mean post beta as tanks and reapers were nerfed after the game had been released.

On October 28 2011 20:57 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:


I do mean post beta, I stated that in my first post, obviously reapers were OP, so were Tanks, it fucked up Mech TvP but I guess 1/1/1's would of been even more unstoppable.

On October 28 2011 21:03 Hider wrote:



Well post beta terran was pretty OP (even with the skill level of players back then). Remember roaches were worse as well. Blue flame hellions could kite them (and still did + 10 dmg to light). Tanks 50 dmg to light, obv. with decent control a terran of todays standard would almost never lose to muta/bling. But of course back then terrans didn't know how to marine split. Infestors werent that good against marines, as medivacs healed faster (so you could kidna counter high infestor count by high medivac count + tanks).

And given that the map was played at close lost temple, close meta, steppes of war, or whatever. Terran by today standards would simply absolutely destroy zergs of todays standards. However as terran was (and IMO is) the more difficult race to play in a macro game, terrans didn't destroy everything back then. There was a short period (after the tank + reaper nerf) where zergs were doing veyr well vs terrans. Then marine spltting and 2 rax got invented and terrans did better again.

Edit: AS i saw you eidted your post. Vikings were much better at dealing with broodlord/corrupter. Infestors wasn't really that usefull in that composition as they did not do a lot of dmg to vikings. So if you had the vikign count you coul deal with it. Its much more difficult now.

On October 28 2011 21:11 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:


I think the combo of that period's fungal and corrupters were pretty ok vs vikings, now vikings are close to non existent because they die so easily to infestors. I also think only close spawn positions kept Terrans winning back then, if there would of been larger maps and no close positions back then, Zergs would of steamrolled Terran so bad. But comming back to the Idra vs Silver match Idra just didn't respond right to what silver did, he wen't roaches on LT , mutas would of won him the game, he lost to 2 tanks 2 thors and a bunch of hellions on Metalopolis, that push today would die so easily to Zergs.

On October 28 2011 11:01 GinDo wrote:
What happened to Masq. Thats my question. He was so good.

On October 28 2011 20:32 Hider wrote:


What abusive build did Silver come up with? Tanks on high grounds? 1 base thor push?

He played kidna like every other terran back then. And obv. terran had it easy back then, and Idra was without a doubt a better mechanical player than him. But of course the reason he stopped playing wasn't because he was extremely bad and only could win with gimmicks. Players like Naniwa and HUk and lots of other terran players were abusive back then, and slowly improved and played a stronger and stronger macro style.

And sc2 definitely was supposed to be a macro game. If sc2 still was played as it was back in beta/early release it would never had the succes it had now, as everybody would have gotton tired of the allins.

So thinkin Silver was extremely intelligent or thinking he was an extremely bad player is not true. He was just a pretty decent terran player who played like most other terran players, and happened to beat idra.

On October 28 2011 23:19 Grumbels wrote:
4. I used 'abusive' in quotes. You might think 4gate was abusive, but both Huk and Naniwa weren't really abusive players. Just because they liked to one-base using good micro? By the way, I think Huk has always been a macro player.

On October 28 2011 20:45 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:


What has gotten nerfed that has affected zerg? Marines haven't, tanks haven't( I'm talking post beta here). Hive tech besides Infestors killing everything in a few fungals like now ,was the same.

On October 28 2011 23:49 Logo wrote:


Before the Infestor buff patch (1.3) and since beta you had...

* Reaper Nerfs (all of them)
* Zealot build time increase (33->38 on gateway)
* Siege mode damage decrease (50 -> 35 + 15 armored)
* Zerg building hp increase
* Corruptor energy removal
* Medivac speed/acceleration reduction
* Barracks requiring Supply depot
* Void Ray damage nerf at stage 2
* SCV repairing threat increase (makes lings better vs units being repaired like Thors)
* Nerf to ramp blocking

On October 28 2011 12:39 kofman wrote:

I bet you think still is macroing your opponent to death. Actually, its winning games, in whatever way. Who wouldn't abuse the cliff on lost temple and close positions on metalopolis? The point of SC2 is to win, and if doing those strats give him the best win percentage, you can't blame Silver. Idra just likes to blame his defeats on opponents being "abusive".

On October 28 2011 23:54 Nemireck wrote:


*Stim timing increased
*Warp Gate tech timing increased

On October 28 2011 23:57 Logo wrote:


Stim was 1.3 (same patch as Infestor buff) and Warp gate was 1.3.3.

Both important changes, but happened during/after the Infestor buff.

On October 28 2011 23:58 Nizzy wrote:
Forget MaDFroG. Now I played WC3 for about 6 years followed the scene maybe even harder than I follow SC2 now. MaDFroG was sick however there's a few other players I wonder about more than him.

What about Mother Fucking SHOWTIME MOTHER FUCKING WERRA.

ShowTime.WeRRa

This guy IIRC was the 'it' guy just slightly before Grubby/Moon. He was so nasty. Definitely the best in the world for a small period of time. Guy even came to East and fucked up Azeroth on a few smurfs. He had the most EPIC post on the blizzard forums that went something like this:

Title: 'Power Blue'

Message: 'Now 6-1 = rank 1 ladder? I will give try but not good'

/thread.

---

Deadman? aka apm70 I believe. Russian player I believe.
I also wonder about TiLLeRMaN and how good he would be at SC2. The guy was so knowledgeable about WC3 IT WAS DISGUSTING.

please please please does anyone on here remember 'the-inclan.com' iN.TiLLeRMaN. That site was literally teamliquid.net for the first year of WC3 ROC.

Such good times. SC series might produce better RT's than WC however there's just stuff in WC community that don't touch SC and I can't explain it.

On October 28 2011 23:58 Nizzy wrote:
I also wonder about TiLLeRMaN and how good he would be at SC2. The guy was so knowledgeable about WC3 IT WAS DISGUSTING.

please please please does anyone on here remember 'the-inclan.com' iN.TiLLeRMaN. That site was literally teamliquid.net for the first year of WC3 ROC.

On October 29 2011 00:05 Nivoh wrote:

Additionally, TiLLeRMaN was insanely hilarious. Love his IMBIHLINCED.

On October 28 2011 23:50 Nemireck wrote:
My point isn't that 1-base play is abusive.

I was only pointing out that the natural progression of the game follows that early timings are heavily relied upon until they are figured out. And Huk's play in the early days of SC2 was no different, when he was matched with an opponent of equal or greater talent.

On October 29 2011 00:11 Grumbels wrote:

No, you don't know that. It might be the most obvious thing in the world to parrot the notion that timings will be figured out and the game will evolve to become more macro based, but first of all, timings being figured out does not mean that the game will become more macro based. Maybe it just means that you can't expand. PvP didn't become more macro based until Blizzard patched the game after all. This is not a 'natural progression of the game', this is forced on the game by Blizzard. It was never certain it would happen - even if it was likely enough.

Second, I wasn't saying that Silver was some kind of genius, but that he still is somewhat of a unique player that had a different way of thinking. The Artosis position of: "macro = skill" was very deeply ingrained in a lot of pro players, so they were all really just trying to improve their general gameplay. It takes a different kind of player to really approach the game as if it were purely about strategy and timing attacks.

On October 28 2011 08:36 ClutchSC wrote:
Silver just wasn't good enough to sustain a pro-gaming career.

On October 29 2011 00:12 Nemireck wrote:


Your point about PvP was covered in my original post where I clearly pointed out that some builds were patched by Blizzard to fix them, rather than figured out.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

On October 28 2011 23:19 Grumbels wrote:

Why are you so hostile and why do you put so many words in my mouth?
1. Silver came up with some tricky all-in builds.
2. SC2 might have been supposed to be a macro game, but it need not have ended up that way.
3. I didn't say he was extremely intelligent, just that his approach was focused on mindgames and strategy in a way that was innovative and the right way to play at that specific point in the game's development. Nowadays it's terrible, of course.
4. I used 'abusive' in quotes. You might think 4gate was abusive, but both Huk and Naniwa weren't really abusive players. Just because they liked to one-base using good micro? By the way, I think Huk has always been a macro player.

On October 28 2011 23:58 Nizzy wrote:
Forget MaDFroG. Now I played WC3 for about 6 years followed the scene maybe even harder than I follow SC2 now. MaDFroG was sick however there's a few other players I wonder about more than him.

What about Mother Fucking SHOWTIME MOTHER FUCKING WERRA.

ShowTime.WeRRa

This guy IIRC was the 'it' guy just slightly before Grubby/Moon. He was so nasty. Definitely the best in the world for a small period of time. Guy even came to East and fucked up Azeroth on a few smurfs. He had the most EPIC post on the blizzard forums that went something like this:

Title: 'Power Blue'

Message: 'Now 6-1 = rank 1 ladder? I will give try but not good'

/thread.

---

Deadman? aka apm70 I believe. Russian player I believe.
I also wonder about TiLLeRMaN and how good he would be at SC2. The guy was so knowledgeable about WC3 IT WAS DISGUSTING.

please please please does anyone on here remember 'the-inclan.com' iN.TiLLeRMaN. That site was literally teamliquid.net for the first year of WC3 ROC.

Such good times. SC series might produce better RT's than WC however there's just stuff in WC community that don't touch SC and I can't explain it.

On October 29 2011 02:20 Hider wrote:




1) Ehh. Throught you realized i wanted you to be specific (and tank on high ground + 1 base mech doesn't count as he did not invent them).
2) Well not in the short term. But long term it would and should be. SO if you only do gimmicks/cheese/all ins your not improving long term.
3) Yeh be specific again.
4) Ok.

On October 29 2011 02:46 3772 wrote:
Deadman is that psycho guy I remember from some interview?

On October 28 2011 23:58 Nizzy wrote:
Forget MaDFroG. Now I played WC3 for about 6 years followed the scene maybe even harder than I follow SC2 now. MaDFroG was sick however there's a few other players I wonder about more than him.

What about Mother Fucking SHOWTIME MOTHER FUCKING WERRA.

ShowTime.WeRRa

This guy IIRC was the 'it' guy just slightly before Grubby/Moon. He was so nasty. Definitely the best in the world for a small period of time. Guy even came to East and fucked up Azeroth on a few smurfs. He had the most EPIC post on the blizzard forums that went something like this:

Title: 'Power Blue'

Message: 'Now 6-1 = rank 1 ladder? I will give try but not good'

/thread.

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Deadman? aka apm70 I believe. Russian player I believe.
I also wonder about TiLLeRMaN and how good he would be at SC2. The guy was so knowledgeable about WC3 IT WAS DISGUSTING.

please please please does anyone on here remember 'the-inclan.com' iN.TiLLeRMaN. That site was literally teamliquid.net for the first year of WC3 ROC.

Such good times. SC series might produce better RT's than WC however there's just stuff in WC community that don't touch SC and I can't explain it.

On October 28 2011 09:23 Piledriver wrote:



This is a perfect example of being an IdrA sheep. Silver was having excellent results even when he quit, but most people still irrationally hate on him (like they hated Cruncher) just because IdrA said "He is a terrible player".

I think its good to have your own opinions once in a while and look at results and players objectively instead of parroting what IdrA says. Almost every person who IdrA calls terrible are people who he has lost to at some point and he just doesnt have the humility to accept that he got outplayed by them. He even called people like KiwiKaKi, MarineKing, Nestea , HuK and NaNiwa terrible at some points of time, and they are all better players than him (except for maybe KiwiKaKi) and have better results than him as well.

On October 29 2011 02:44 DueleR wrote:


I was around for all that too, I actually quit War3 around the time TFT came out so all my memories are from RoC. I even hung out on Kali with guys like TillerMaN before war3 itself came out and everyone was playing BW. Lots of good memories from those years

Showtime was a boss in the early days of War3 and I remember him coming to USEast. Actually there were a lot of people that I remember dominating East ladder for various periods of time:

Futile/Futility/Whorcraft - the same guy had 3 accounts in the top 3 of USEast at the same time. Played NE and HU. He was a student at Columbia University at the time, now he works for goldman sachs.

Qazzi - always would make new accounts and compile insane w/l records, he was a college student at the time too (rutgers)

Xa_Metro/FearFaCT - UD player, also was a college student back then (Drexel), he was #1 or near the top of USeast for a while. Quit and played poker semi-seriously I think.

Then I remember when Deadman-1 started dominating europe (played NE and UD) and everyone accused him of hacking...then it came out that he actually did hack. Still he managed a pretty nice career for himself afterward, people gave him second chances I guess.

On October 30 2011 02:19 EricCartman wrote:
Best moment was when 4K creo prevented Sky from a hat trick of WCGs.

On October 28 2011 09:24 Fanek wrote:
Silver from Canada? Did he win something?
I know nothing about this guy.

On October 28 2011 09:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote:



Actually Silver I know personally, he even admits he was a noob who only abused terran's strengths. He spends most of his time playing Smashcraft (an insanely cool sc2 custom game) with his clan Sync

EDIT: Make no mistake, Silver is still a decent player, easily better than me, but not pro gaming level

On October 30 2011 03:10 Arceus wrote:
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blind european fanboyism prevented them from acknowledging that Creo was an one-hit wonder

On October 30 2011 02:11 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
There were far more better Koreans than Showtime.Werra who abused Ancients of War back in in Reign of Chaos. Tillerman only played in ROC also and the skill lvl back then was simply awful. In 2008 I wen't and watched some old replays between Grubby and Madfrog from early days of TFT. I would laugh at how bad they were compared to how they played in 2008. Trust me, early days of Warcraft 3, that mean's Reign of Chaos and a bit of TFT weren't that impressive compared to how the pros played in 2008.
I'm pretty sure if Showtime would play SC2 full time he would be an average korean lvl pro. That is 100% assured just by their work ethic and prohouses.

On October 30 2011 03:58 Nizzy wrote:


I just wrote a big long response to your post about everything and how much I disliked it/stuff that was wrong/etc and then I just deleted. You kind of don't understand certain things about how/where the game was and I don't want to discuss it.

On October 30 2011 03:10 Arceus wrote:

blind european fanboyism prevented them from acknowledging that Creo was an one-hit wonder

On November 04 2011 01:22 aFganFlyTrap wrote:


Creo the one-hit wonder that won WCG and Blizzcon and finished 2nd in the ESWC in the same year. Yeah, you have no idea what you are talking about.

winning wcg/blizzcon and 2nd at eswc then retiring from war3 to further his studies. you have no idea do you. everyone including 4kings knew he was the real deal and many people begged him to stay in the scene after his WCG victory but unfortunately he wouldnt

On November 04 2011 01:34 ODieN wrote:
I never heard of madfrog. o_O

On November 04 2011 01:43 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:

QFT Creo was inactive-ish before WCG, trained for like 2 months??- then won everything in the time he was active again and afterwards went back to his studies. I remember a few years after that he played some ENC under the ID Sjokomelk_ (Spelling) and i think one every game vs the top in Europe despite having been inactive for like 2 years

On April 06 2012 20:17 memcpy wrote:
While the thread is bumped...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFNIERRREq4
Oh man.. everyone was so bad back then lol.

On April 06 2012 20:17 memcpy wrote:
While the thread is bumped...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFNIERRREq4
Oh man.. everyone was so bad back then lol.

On April 06 2012 20:24 cuppatea wrote:
From what I gathered at the time he was juggling SC2 and a full-time job. At the end of his contract with SK he stated a desire to go full-time with SC2 and move to Korea to practice but SK weren't satisfied enough with his results to make that commitment so he went full-time with his job instead and quit SC2.

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On April 06 2012 21:01 HalloniKanada wrote:


Not sure that applies to Sweden.

On April 06 2012 21:02 ihasaKAROT wrote:


IKEA-theft is a big thing there

Too bad he stopped, allways loved the rivalry between him and Grubby in WC3. If I look at how good Grubby is getting (future gsl code s, calling it) its too bad hes not also on that level anymore :/

On April 06 2012 21:39 Elem wrote:
C'mon guys, the man played Undead. He was cursed to begin with. We could never have saved him.

On April 06 2012 22:58 Eee wrote:

So did Naniwa and HasuObs.

On October 28 2011 08:36 VampireLady wrote:



Prison guard? i met em irl and that.. is no prison guard material

On April 07 2012 07:02 nGBeast wrote:


and both of them were nothing special in WC3.

On April 07 2012 07:30 Valikyr wrote:

But Madfrog was extremely successful with Undead seperating him from them

On April 07 2012 08:35 synd wrote:
He was more of a game developer. Yeah, he had a WC3 and a very short SC2 career as a pro gamer but now he makes Dota2 for Valve so he can't really commit to other things anymore

On April 07 2012 08:35 synd wrote:
He was more of a game developer. Yeah, he had a WC3 and a very short SC2 career as a pro gamer but now he makes Dota2 for Valve so he can't really commit to other things anymore

On April 08 2012 03:00 Southwards wrote:
I have also wondered where Madfrog went, I remember watching quite a lot of replays with him playing in 2010, and he definitely had a unique style, sometimes even trying 3 hatch vs Terran We can assume though that he has left the scene, be it that he saw no prospect in playing professional SC2 or if he had other endeavours to pursue. All we can do is speculate until someone posts an official statement of what he is doing at the moment.

On April 07 2012 07:18 crms wrote:


prison guard in sweden. everyone knows the swedes are nice. <:D