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Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
October 28 2011 03:28 GMT
#41
After looking at those games again silver vs idra. Still thinks he was overrated :D Abusing the cliff on Lost tempel, and close pos metalopolis 1 base mech allin. If thats some kind of overwhelming skill, heck. I dont know what skill is anymore.
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Scodia
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom588 Posts
October 28 2011 03:30 GMT
#42
I miss cauthon luck, i remember watching the king of the hills i think they were some of JP's first casts not 100% though
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kofman
Profile Joined August 2011
Andorra698 Posts
October 28 2011 03:39 GMT
#43
On October 28 2011 12:28 Buffy wrote:
After looking at those games again silver vs idra. Still thinks he was overrated :D Abusing the cliff on Lost tempel, and close pos metalopolis 1 base mech allin. If thats some kind of overwhelming skill, heck. I dont know what skill is anymore.

I bet you think still is macroing your opponent to death. Actually, its winning games, in whatever way. Who wouldn't abuse the cliff on lost temple and close positions on metalopolis? The point of SC2 is to win, and if doing those strats give him the best win percentage, you can't blame Silver. Idra just likes to blame his defeats on opponents being "abusive".
Soulriser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 03:42:20
October 28 2011 03:41 GMT
#44
On October 28 2011 10:48 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 10:44 HyperLimen wrote:
On October 28 2011 10:37 Consolidate wrote:
I hate Idra's character assassination of Silver and the fact that all of his fanboys keep repeating that shit.

Silver was a really smart kid who didn't have his heart in pro-gaming, it had nothing to do with 'not being good enough'.

Under that criteria half of EG should stop wasting their time and quit as well.



Yeah he was 'smart' enough to exploit a shitty map pool and things that have since been patched by blizzard.

He was a gimmicky scrub, and Idra hit the nail on the head when it came to him.


any time a new guy comes into the scene and is getting more attention then idra. all idra does is shit on the kid until the community agrees. Everyone exploited the shitty map pools back in the day. Omg jinro what a fucking scrub double bunker idras ramp close spawns on metal!!!!

Im getting really tired of north american bw pros getting a easy ride because they're known names...when theres people who if only given the chance would pour their heart into the game(not talking about silver). And not " im so good i dont need to practise ill wait til everyone catches up"...lol howd that work out for you...

edit: or the whole " the money is in the foreign scene so we dont need our players to be in korea" even tho everyone knew that koreans would start showing up in foreign events and shit on everyone


i dont think i ever heard idra bash on stephano? hes mannered up quite a bit. and everyone abuses shitty maps now. you think XNC is balanced? LOL. and they JUST removed close spawns from maps.

by NA BW pros you mean... idra? 0.o he was really the only good one. no one has gotten an 'easy ride' because they were known. they had connections and knew people, so when SC2 came out, they were simply 1 step ahead. they didnt practice less just because other people needed to 'catch up'. BW players had an advantage, yeah, but it was by no means 'easy'.

actually, most foreign players didnt go to korea to play because they couldnt. kespa is annoying like that, you need all kinds of paperwork to get deeply involved in something like GSL.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
October 28 2011 03:41 GMT
#45
On October 28 2011 09:24 Fanek wrote:
Silver from Canada? Did he win something?
I know nothing about this guy.


He was the person IdrA said "apologize for playing that race" to i'm pritty sure.
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
October 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#46
On October 28 2011 12:41 Soulriser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 10:48 Falcor wrote:
On October 28 2011 10:44 HyperLimen wrote:
On October 28 2011 10:37 Consolidate wrote:
I hate Idra's character assassination of Silver and the fact that all of his fanboys keep repeating that shit.

Silver was a really smart kid who didn't have his heart in pro-gaming, it had nothing to do with 'not being good enough'.

Under that criteria half of EG should stop wasting their time and quit as well.



Yeah he was 'smart' enough to exploit a shitty map pool and things that have since been patched by blizzard.

He was a gimmicky scrub, and Idra hit the nail on the head when it came to him.


any time a new guy comes into the scene and is getting more attention then idra. all idra does is shit on the kid until the community agrees. Everyone exploited the shitty map pools back in the day. Omg jinro what a fucking scrub double bunker idras ramp close spawns on metal!!!!

Im getting really tired of north american bw pros getting a easy ride because they're known names...when theres people who if only given the chance would pour their heart into the game(not talking about silver). And not " im so good i dont need to practise ill wait til everyone catches up"...lol howd that work out for you...

edit: or the whole " the money is in the foreign scene so we dont need our players to be in korea" even tho everyone knew that koreans would start showing up in foreign events and shit on everyone


i dont think i ever heard idra bash on stephano? hes mannered up quite a bit. and everyone abuses shitty maps now. you think XNC is balanced? LOL. and they JUST removed close spawns from maps.

by NA BW pros you mean... idra? 0.o he was really the only good one. no one has gotten an 'easy ride' because they were known. they had connections and knew people, so when SC2 came out, they were simply 1 step ahead. they didnt practice less just because other people needed to 'catch up'. BW players had an advantage, yeah, but it was by no means 'easy'.

actually, most foreign players didnt go to korea to play because they couldnt. kespa is annoying like that, you need all kinds of paperwork to get deeply involved in something like GSL.


Tyler?
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
October 28 2011 03:48 GMT
#47
Bah. Silver fans only know him for beating IdrA and defend him religiously while IdrA fans only know Silver for beating IdrA and attack him religiously.

Two sides, same coin both suck.

Remember Masq? I played a 1v1 obs with him and he still seems to be playing around masters level. No real notability except beating IdrA.

Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
October 28 2011 03:50 GMT
#48
On October 28 2011 12:41 Soulriser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 10:48 Falcor wrote:
On October 28 2011 10:44 HyperLimen wrote:
On October 28 2011 10:37 Consolidate wrote:
I hate Idra's character assassination of Silver and the fact that all of his fanboys keep repeating that shit.

Silver was a really smart kid who didn't have his heart in pro-gaming, it had nothing to do with 'not being good enough'.

Under that criteria half of EG should stop wasting their time and quit as well.



Yeah he was 'smart' enough to exploit a shitty map pool and things that have since been patched by blizzard.

He was a gimmicky scrub, and Idra hit the nail on the head when it came to him.


any time a new guy comes into the scene and is getting more attention then idra. all idra does is shit on the kid until the community agrees. Everyone exploited the shitty map pools back in the day. Omg jinro what a fucking scrub double bunker idras ramp close spawns on metal!!!!

Im getting really tired of north american bw pros getting a easy ride because they're known names...when theres people who if only given the chance would pour their heart into the game(not talking about silver). And not " im so good i dont need to practise ill wait til everyone catches up"...lol howd that work out for you...

edit: or the whole " the money is in the foreign scene so we dont need our players to be in korea" even tho everyone knew that koreans would start showing up in foreign events and shit on everyone


i dont think i ever heard idra bash on stephano? hes mannered up quite a bit. and everyone abuses shitty maps now. you think XNC is balanced? LOL. and they JUST removed close spawns from maps.

by NA BW pros you mean... idra? 0.o he was really the only good one. no one has gotten an 'easy ride' because they were known. they had connections and knew people, so when SC2 came out, they were simply 1 step ahead. they didnt practice less just because other people needed to 'catch up'. BW players had an advantage, yeah, but it was by no means 'easy'.

actually, most foreign players didnt go to korea to play because they couldnt. kespa is annoying like that, you need all kinds of paperwork to get deeply involved in something like GSL.


What are you talking about?

Right after Stephano won IPL, Idra said he thought Stephano was a 'gimmicky' player whose style would be 'figured out'. Which in and of itself is ridiculous because Stephano has more far more playstyles than one-note macro.

Lo' and behold, his fans begin spouting the same bullshit.

Idra is pretty transparent.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
October 28 2011 03:56 GMT
#49
On October 28 2011 12:48 Gamegene wrote:
Bah. Silver fans only know him for beating IdrA and defend him religiously while IdrA fans only know Silver for beating IdrA and attack him religiously.

Two sides, same coin both suck.

Remember Masq? I played a 1v1 obs with him and he still seems to be playing around masters level. No real notability except beating IdrA.



well i don't get the hate on silver or anyone idra has hated really. the average community member is more like the people idra raged on in the beta (maybe still now), potential up and comers w/ inferior mechanics and no established name. if you were to go into a game and beat idra as an unknown with a cheesy strat (or any overpowered build in idra's opinion), esp in the beta, you would probably get verbally shit on w/ lines of text.
cnas
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden640 Posts
October 28 2011 04:01 GMT
#50
After the SK incident madfrog shut down playing, at least on his main account. It's a shame, I was a huge fan of his creative play in wc3 and I think we would have made an insane zerg today when the zergs are doing better generally.

When he played tournaments early on they had to play on lost temple close spawn, steppes of war, scrap etc.. Good times.
One more game, bro's!
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
October 28 2011 04:05 GMT
#51
Oh yeah to add to that who remembers Naama champion of DH 2010 Winter?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
October 28 2011 04:10 GMT
#52
Silver looked quite strong, but maybe it was just terran being OP (ok c'mon, this isn't balance whine, since terran has now been nerfed in many areas since beta and maps like LT updated) and stuff that made it look like he was really good. The game must have changed a lot by then, so maybe what I remember of him that is "good" is silly today.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 28 2011 04:23 GMT
#53
On October 28 2011 08:59 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 08:42 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

Cauthonluck quit and I thiiiiiiink now plays LoL. Silver quit as well. Their respective teams both made official statements, but MadFrog was teamless for a while then just disappeared.


I'm pretty sure he plays LoL now. I've seen his name a few times when I watch high level LoL streams so either it's him or someone else is playing LoL with his name.


That is a different person than the SC2 CauthonLuck.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3509 Posts
October 28 2011 04:27 GMT
#54
Silver was a Waterloo engineering grad. He's pretty making much more money doing real things.. ;o
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
October 28 2011 04:27 GMT
#55
On October 28 2011 13:23 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 08:59 eieio wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:42 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

Cauthonluck quit and I thiiiiiiink now plays LoL. Silver quit as well. Their respective teams both made official statements, but MadFrog was teamless for a while then just disappeared.


I'm pretty sure he plays LoL now. I've seen his name a few times when I watch high level LoL streams so either it's him or someone else is playing LoL with his name.


That is a different person than the SC2 CauthonLuck.


Thanks, I've actually been super curious about that.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 04:46:27
October 28 2011 04:38 GMT
#56
On October 28 2011 13:27 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:23 Cel.erity wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:59 eieio wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:42 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

Cauthonluck quit and I thiiiiiiink now plays LoL. Silver quit as well. Their respective teams both made official statements, but MadFrog was teamless for a while then just disappeared.


I'm pretty sure he plays LoL now. I've seen his name a few times when I watch high level LoL streams so either it's him or someone else is playing LoL with his name.


That is a different person than the SC2 CauthonLuck.


Thanks, I've actually been super curious about that.


oh really, i herad in many places cauthonluck switched to lol xD

Oh wow i just remembered naama, he quit too?
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
October 28 2011 04:46 GMT
#57
On October 28 2011 13:38 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:27 eieio wrote:
On October 28 2011 13:23 Cel.erity wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:59 eieio wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:42 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

Cauthonluck quit and I thiiiiiiink now plays LoL. Silver quit as well. Their respective teams both made official statements, but MadFrog was teamless for a while then just disappeared.


I'm pretty sure he plays LoL now. I've seen his name a few times when I watch high level LoL streams so either it's him or someone else is playing LoL with his name.


That is a different person than the SC2 CauthonLuck.


Thanks, I've actually been super curious about that.


oh really, i herad in many places cauthonluck switched to lol xD



lol T___________T some day I'll know for certain.
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aFganFlyTrap
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia212 Posts
October 28 2011 04:48 GMT
#58
madfrog wanted a salary and a place to practice in korea but SK werent willing to shell out the money and since madfrog was looking to replace his guard salary with programing he just quit

he laddered just as much as kas back then

he would of been a top player if he kept playing tbh. he just didnt give it enough time. look at grubby now really showing his potential and giving us a little peak into how bloody good hes going to be in a year or two.

2nd at IesF
1st gigabyte cup beating happy 4-1
knocked out of the MSI cup the other day but beat kas 2-1(dont think hes ever beaten kas before and kas is boss at tvp)
4th at eswc

all in the last month he has bee improving dramatically. not just results wise you can actually see it in his play. his force fields are so fucking good now as well.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
October 28 2011 04:48 GMT
#59
He asked for enough money from SK so that he can play full time and quit his day job (as a prison guard yes) but his play and his performance couldn't justify it so he just stopped playing.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
October 28 2011 04:53 GMT
#60
On October 28 2011 13:46 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 13:38 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On October 28 2011 13:27 eieio wrote:
On October 28 2011 13:23 Cel.erity wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:59 eieio wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:42 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 28 2011 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
Same thing, but with Cauthonluck, or Silver?

Cauthonluck quit and I thiiiiiiink now plays LoL. Silver quit as well. Their respective teams both made official statements, but MadFrog was teamless for a while then just disappeared.


I'm pretty sure he plays LoL now. I've seen his name a few times when I watch high level LoL streams so either it's him or someone else is playing LoL with his name.


That is a different person than the SC2 CauthonLuck.


Thanks, I've actually been super curious about that.


oh really, i herad in many places cauthonluck switched to lol xD



lol T___________T some day I'll know for certain.


It's likely they just all assumed it was the same guy, so it probably isn't
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
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