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Ammoth
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden391 Posts
October 06 2011 09:55 GMT
#1861
I kinda like the idea of a minelaying engineer unit, wouldnt mind scv's not being able to repair mech one bit.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 06 2011 10:00 GMT
#1862
Actually, now that I think about it, while it is REALLY similar to a flamethrower, didnt the Science Vessel in the campaign have something similar that it did in fact use to repair?
grappasc
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium86 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 10:06:54
October 06 2011 10:02 GMT
#1863
On October 06 2011 18:32 Ganseng wrote:
grappasc, I like your investigation. Seems plausible that blizzard could want to misslead us with the "obvious" hellion tire on this thing.
and then "chill" could be a counter-hint against hellion, couldn't it?
i'd love to see these things turn out to be mines!

I'm happy at least 1 person read it and liked it.

edit1:
edit2: edit1 was pointless
Dephy
Profile Joined January 2011
Lithuania163 Posts
October 06 2011 10:03 GMT
#1864
i think its remade reaper
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 10:24:21
October 06 2011 10:05 GMT
#1865
On October 06 2011 18:21 grappasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 18:13 Big G wrote:
On October 06 2011 17:48 grappasc wrote:
[image loading]
it's a little messy, but the relevant parts are the blue circles and the white circles. the mess is me measuring stuff.

on page 91 is my alternative model
on page 71 my first counter arguments against wheel theories.

Are you really measuring the tires size?

This is probably NOT a straight Hellion, as it is clear by the general robustness of the silhoutte. It could share an anti-light role with the Hellion (and replace it) given the flamethrower, but the important part is that it seems a transformable vehicle.

The tires' size is totally irrelevant as long as the model is very similar, since it is a matter of artistic design. The vehicles in the artist's imaginative world have to have something in common.

Your alternative design is hilarious, and that's it.



"if it had tires, which it doesn't, it wouldn't have hellion tires".
the picture is an answer to those making direct comparisons with hellions and saying the "tires" match, when that's false.

sorry I made such a messy picture. I should've seen it coming. people can't read the text on it.


The sizes don't match, but that's it. I see the same tire treads on the top set of tires and the same extruding hubcap on the lower set of tires.

One explanation could be that the Hellion is getting a revised model with differing tire sizes to make it look more like a buggy and less like a toy race car.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 10:19:15
October 06 2011 10:13 GMT
#1866
In recent news, Blizzard has also decided to rename Terran to "The Autobots".

EDIT: Its probably a replacement for the Thor. My guess is a goliath/hellion or a helliath.
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Latty
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany567 Posts
October 06 2011 10:24 GMT
#1867
ok whatever the f it is, it will kill drones FAST and it pisses me off :D
"Nice, *claps* gogo kill kill, yeah bane speed, nice EU Power" Dimaga
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
October 06 2011 10:28 GMT
#1868
On October 06 2011 18:21 grappasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 18:13 Big G wrote:
On October 06 2011 17:48 grappasc wrote:
[image loading]
it's a little messy, but the relevant parts are the blue circles and the white circles. the mess is me measuring stuff.

on page 91 is my alternative model
on page 71 my first counter arguments against wheel theories.

Are you really measuring the tires size?

This is probably NOT a straight Hellion, as it is clear by the general robustness of the silhoutte. It could share an anti-light role with the Hellion (and replace it) given the flamethrower, but the important part is that it seems a transformable vehicle.

The tires' size is totally irrelevant as long as the model is very similar, since it is a matter of artistic design. The vehicles in the artist's imaginative world have to have something in common.

Your alternative design is hilarious, and that's it.



"if it had tires, which it doesn't, it wouldn't have hellion tires".
the picture is an answer to those making direct comparisons with hellions and saying the "tires" match, when that's false.

sorry I made such a messy picture. I should've seen it coming. people can't read the text on it.


Your picture only talks about hellion tires. So maybe it doesnt have the same tires as the hellion, but it still has tires. You cant just say "the tires doesnt fit to the hellion, so it doesnt have tires at all"

Besides that, they still look nearly identical to the hellions tires. They size might be wrong, but everything else fits perfectly.

Also, we (probably) do get a unit with a flamethrower that can transform into a vehicle and is build from the factory. How can this unit have nothing to do with the hellion? Maybe the hellion gets a new model, but technically they belong together.
workers, supply, money, workers, supply, money, workers, ...
Abstract10
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom19 Posts
October 06 2011 10:36 GMT
#1869
obv can fly, probs just a grounded medi
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
October 06 2011 10:36 GMT
#1870
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/
ArhK
Profile Joined July 2007
France287 Posts
October 06 2011 10:44 GMT
#1871
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/


You are not alone with this feeling I think, I support you in that regard. It is so trollish, while we never ever had that many terrans in the GSL, with Terran being stronger than ever, Dustin Bowder stating rightfully that "Terran has already everything", to tease us with a .... terran unit, which looks like....a fucking HELLION...

Well, I guess they want some memes out of this.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 06 2011 10:47 GMT
#1872
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/


Pretty much everyone is pissed man, and feeling trolled. But Blizzard has announced new units for the other races too and that the release order was just to be consistent with the expansion's focused races. We just have to hope that they will complete their races much more than this one will complete (even more) Terran ;D.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
October 06 2011 10:51 GMT
#1873
On October 06 2011 19:44 ArhK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/


You are not alone with this feeling I think, I support you in that regard. It is so trollish, while we never ever had that many terrans in the GSL, with Terran being stronger than ever, Dustin Bowder stating rightfully that "Terran has already everything", to tease us with a .... terran unit, which looks like....a fucking HELLION...

Well, I guess they want some memes out of this.


Just calm down until you see the next new unit silhouette that will clearly be a lurker. You can tell because it'll actually be a blank image.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#1874
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/

This is just blizzard having fun watching us squirm and rage at them really.

And then Zerg and Protoss will get silhouettes that aren't lurker/(insert BW protoss unit) and we'll forget all about this and be happy with blizzard until the next time they piss us off lol.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#1875
On October 06 2011 19:51 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 19:44 ArhK wrote:
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/


You are not alone with this feeling I think, I support you in that regard. It is so trollish, while we never ever had that many terrans in the GSL, with Terran being stronger than ever, Dustin Bowder stating rightfully that "Terran has already everything", to tease us with a .... terran unit, which looks like....a fucking HELLION...

Well, I guess they want some memes out of this.


Just calm down until you see the next new unit silhouette that will clearly be a lurker. You can tell because it'll actually be a blank image.


Wait, I thought the blank image was a new transformable banshee?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 06 2011 10:56 GMT
#1876
crap not a vulture.
ॐ
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
October 06 2011 10:59 GMT
#1877
On October 06 2011 19:47 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/


Pretty much everyone is pissed man, and feeling trolled. But Blizzard has announced new units for the other races too and that the release order was just to be consistent with the expansion's focused races. We just have to hope that they will complete their races much more than this one will complete (even more) Terran ;D.



I didn't read the thread and considering the mods at TL, it's best to err on the safe side.
Frankly, I want some units REMOVED for the races when they make this addon. I still agree with the fundamental position some people have expressed that Blizzard didn't put real deep analysis into the races when adding units.
Dustin admitted this himself "we'll add cool stuff and see what sticks" (something like that)

I never appreciated SC1 (or War 3) as much as I do until I saw SC2, which I do still love - but those 2 previous games both felt like they took the heart and soul of each race and gave them distinct strong and weak points, SC2 doesn't have that feel to it. Just how in an RPG the magician plays differently to the warrior, in SC2 however the races feel a bit similar.
I thought Protoss was meant to have less units, that are more expensive and stronger than anything else? but slower to build (you get the idea)

Anyhow, hopefully they address some of this for the expansion. I still enjoy watching the GSL but I must admit my passion is waning for the game.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 06 2011 11:03 GMT
#1878
On October 06 2011 18:07 NeoLearner wrote:
My very first impression was:

Blizzard is trolling us. That just Wall E
[image loading]

Then I saw the Hellion transformer thing and it looks nice, but I don't really see it. The left hand (in the right of the picture) is clearly a hand holding a weapon. The top thing looks like a flame thrower or a laser or something. But I would find it weird to have wheels on the back. Could it be Reaper wings?

[image loading]

EDIT: Why would a Hellion transform? Into what functionality? I mean, Hellion is fast and high damage, so the only "upgrade" would be extra armor. How does one transform into something with higher armor?


Better rate of fire, wider AoE, and more DPS are a few things I could see. Believe it or not, hellion DPS isn't actually that great. Compared to marines, you have to hit 2-3 light units to come out ahead, which is surprisingly hard with such narrow splash. You have to either catch stacked workers or tiny units converging through a choke.
nibbl
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom8 Posts
October 06 2011 11:06 GMT
#1879
It's a mobile creep cleaning unit duh, clearly a water cannon on top :p
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 06 2011 11:07 GMT
#1880
On October 06 2011 19:59 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 19:47 ZenithM wrote:
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
This is not a troll.
I am not trying to make anyone angry.
I am not trying to whine about balance.

BUT

I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation.
I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P.
It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/


Pretty much everyone is pissed man, and feeling trolled. But Blizzard has announced new units for the other races too and that the release order was just to be consistent with the expansion's focused races. We just have to hope that they will complete their races much more than this one will complete (even more) Terran ;D.



I didn't read the thread and considering the mods at TL, it's best to err on the safe side.
Frankly, I want some units REMOVED for the races when they make this addon. I still agree with the fundamental position some people have expressed that Blizzard didn't put real deep analysis into the races when adding units.
Dustin admitted this himself "we'll add cool stuff and see what sticks" (something like that)

I never appreciated SC1 (or War 3) as much as I do until I saw SC2, which I do still love - but those 2 previous games both felt like they took the heart and soul of each race and gave them distinct strong and weak points, SC2 doesn't have that feel to it. Just how in an RPG the magician plays differently to the warrior, in SC2 however the races feel a bit similar.
I thought Protoss was meant to have less units, that are more expensive and stronger than anything else? but slower to build (you get the idea)

Anyhow, hopefully they address some of this for the expansion. I still enjoy watching the GSL but I must admit my passion is waning for the game.


Blizzard has always done a magnificent job with expansions. They have already stated concerns with bloating SC2 unit choices, so replacements are more likely than additions, especially for Terran.
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