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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
October 06 2011 08:05 GMT
#1841
On October 06 2011 17:02 awha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 16:49 archflames wrote:
knowing blizzard it's probably a marauder with tires on his back which allow him to lay on his back and shoot air now


oh god, can you imagine that
It would be a great april fools prank though


my god... you did not just...
The universe created an audience for itself.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
October 06 2011 08:06 GMT
#1842
A firebat with two shield, 3 armored o/
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Warzilla
Profile Joined December 2010
Czech Republic311 Posts
October 06 2011 08:11 GMT
#1843
On October 06 2011 13:09 ZorBa.G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 12:59 DystopiaX wrote:
On October 06 2011 12:48 Artok wrote:
On October 06 2011 12:45 ZorBa.G wrote:
I really hope this isn't a replacement for the medivac, hence changing the medivac to a carrier. It's going to limit Terran harass options really.... making harrassing so much more riskier.

I've come to the conclusion it's just a transformed Hellion. The questions I have now are, when it's transformed;

- Will it only be able to attack air or just ground still?
- What type of attack will it have? Still a linear type flame or more of an AOE Arc type flame?
- I think it's obvious it will have increased armour, but how slow will it really move? I'm hoping it at least moves just as fast as the ground Viking.

Will it get a spell cast ability it can use when transformed? Such as laying mines?

I highly doubt it will though. If it has a spellcast ability, they will slap a gas cost on the unit. I can't see this happening.

I'm really hoping Terran gets a unit in this expansion that can lay down mines

@ MaestroSC. The only reason BW is more entertaining to watch is because the game has been played out sooooo much it's pretty much down to a science. Give SC2 some time for gods sake, it's still a new game and I'm sure there are heaps more things yet people still haven't worked out about the game. I think we all agree here Terran is by far the most "worked out" race so far. But I'm sure Protoss and Zerg still have little tricks up their sleeves that no-one knows about yet.

SC2 is only going to get more exciting as time goes along IMO.


oh no, that would make terran like other races, what is this i dont even

also medivacs weren't in brood war yet t managed to drop all the time...


How long does it take for people to get through their thick heads that SC2 IS NOT BROODWAR!


Also, Terran needs to be able to drop.... Protoss has Warp Tech, Zerg has the speed to backstab.
What do you want? A terran that just 1 bases all day... yeah that makes a lot of sense. Really starting to get over all the Terran is OP crap.... really. If you think Terran has soooo much of an advantage over other races, why not just play as Terran? Stop complaining for gods sake!


We will get over once thats true. For now, GSL is kicking you arguments in a butt
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salsaCHAYNES
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia12 Posts
October 06 2011 08:27 GMT
#1844
On October 06 2011 17:11 YosHGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 13:09 ZorBa.G wrote:
On October 06 2011 12:59 DystopiaX wrote:
On October 06 2011 12:48 Artok wrote:
On October 06 2011 12:45 ZorBa.G wrote:
I really hope this isn't a replacement for the medivac, hence changing the medivac to a carrier. It's going to limit Terran harass options really.... making harrassing so much more riskier.

I've come to the conclusion it's just a transformed Hellion. The questions I have now are, when it's transformed;

- Will it only be able to attack air or just ground still?
- What type of attack will it have? Still a linear type flame or more of an AOE Arc type flame?
- I think it's obvious it will have increased armour, but how slow will it really move? I'm hoping it at least moves just as fast as the ground Viking.

Will it get a spell cast ability it can use when transformed? Such as laying mines?

I highly doubt it will though. If it has a spellcast ability, they will slap a gas cost on the unit. I can't see this happening.

I'm really hoping Terran gets a unit in this expansion that can lay down mines

@ MaestroSC. The only reason BW is more entertaining to watch is because the game has been played out sooooo much it's pretty much down to a science. Give SC2 some time for gods sake, it's still a new game and I'm sure there are heaps more things yet people still haven't worked out about the game. I think we all agree here Terran is by far the most "worked out" race so far. But I'm sure Protoss and Zerg still have little tricks up their sleeves that no-one knows about yet.

SC2 is only going to get more exciting as time goes along IMO.


oh no, that would make terran like other races, what is this i dont even

also medivacs weren't in brood war yet t managed to drop all the time...


How long does it take for people to get through their thick heads that SC2 IS NOT BROODWAR!


Also, Terran needs to be able to drop.... Protoss has Warp Tech, Zerg has the speed to backstab.
What do you want? A terran that just 1 bases all day... yeah that makes a lot of sense. Really starting to get over all the Terran is OP crap.... really. If you think Terran has soooo much of an advantage over other races, why not just play as Terran? Stop complaining for gods sake!


We will get over once thats true. For now, GSL is kicking you arguments in a butt

Lol wtf, I don't understand the "terran needs to be able to drop" thing.... is he serious?
"When things get weird, I'm in my element." - Liquid`TLO
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
October 06 2011 08:29 GMT
#1845
On October 06 2011 14:59 grappasc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 14:54 nerak wrote:
On October 06 2011 14:39 grappasc wrote:
since my post on page 71 attracted zero attention, I decided to post a more accurate picture than before and include more key text pieces to the picture, so people won't have to bother read what looks like a message on a forum.



I was thinking about a bio unit too, but after the contrast image I couldnt stop seeing those tires!

[image loading]

You see? TIRES!
[Also, the thing over his head is almost surely a flamethrower, but hardly a healer-thingy. We also totally have one shield, but two? IDK]

tires. no. page 71. I would like to add to my previous list of reasons it's not tires, that the "tire" on his leg doesn't match the "tires" on his shoulders.

The tires on his legs match the front tires of the Hellion. And the tires on his back match the rear tires of the Hellion. The flametrower is somewhat different but that's what it is: a flametrower. I really dont know how can you imagine something different.

Anyway, it is probably very far from the actual Hellion (a mineral-only unit can't be so flexible), even from the aesthetic point of view, it seems too fat and robust to be just the actual hellion trasformed. It could very well be a new vehicle... a replacement for the hellion.
Hattori_Hanzo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore1229 Posts
October 06 2011 08:36 GMT
#1846
On October 06 2011 17:29 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 14:59 grappasc wrote:
On October 06 2011 14:54 nerak wrote:
On October 06 2011 14:39 grappasc wrote:
since my post on page 71 attracted zero attention, I decided to post a more accurate picture than before and include more key text pieces to the picture, so people won't have to bother read what looks like a message on a forum.



I was thinking about a bio unit too, but after the contrast image I couldnt stop seeing those tires!

[image loading]

You see? TIRES!
[Also, the thing over his head is almost surely a flamethrower, but hardly a healer-thingy. We also totally have one shield, but two? IDK]

tires. no. page 71. I would like to add to my previous list of reasons it's not tires, that the "tire" on his leg doesn't match the "tires" on his shoulders.

The tires on his legs match the front tires of the Hellion. And the tires on his back match the rear tires of the Hellion. The flametrower is somewhat different but that's what it is: a flametrower. I really dont know how can you imagine something different.

Anyway, it is probably very far from the actual Hellion (a mineral-only unit can't be so flexible), even from the aesthetic point of view, it seems too fat and robust to be just the actual hellion trasformed. It could very well be a new vehicle... a replacement for the hellion.


If the Hellion could turn into an assault walker with higher rate of fire from its current 2.5 cooldown to say... 1s? That'll be awesome.
Cauterize the area
ArhK
Profile Joined July 2007
France287 Posts
October 06 2011 08:36 GMT
#1847
On October 06 2011 17:29 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 14:59 grappasc wrote:
On October 06 2011 14:54 nerak wrote:
On October 06 2011 14:39 grappasc wrote:
since my post on page 71 attracted zero attention, I decided to post a more accurate picture than before and include more key text pieces to the picture, so people won't have to bother read what looks like a message on a forum.



I was thinking about a bio unit too, but after the contrast image I couldnt stop seeing those tires!

[image loading]

You see? TIRES!
[Also, the thing over his head is almost surely a flamethrower, but hardly a healer-thingy. We also totally have one shield, but two? IDK]

tires. no. page 71. I would like to add to my previous list of reasons it's not tires, that the "tire" on his leg doesn't match the "tires" on his shoulders.

The tires on his legs match the front tires of the Hellion. And the tires on his back match the rear tires of the Hellion. The flametrower is somewhat different but that's what it is: a flametrower. I really dont know how can you imagine something different.

Anyway, it is probably very far from the actual Hellion (a mineral-only unit can't be so flexible), even from the aesthetic point of view, it seems too fat and robust to be just the actual hellion trasformed. It could very well be a new vehicle... a replacement for the hellion.


In HoTS, they will "delete" the actual Hellion, too powerful (a measly 100 mineral ? Come on...), and add some versatility to it by making it able to transform and shoot down air unit. The unit will cost gas (25-50).
grappasc
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium86 Posts
October 06 2011 08:48 GMT
#1848
[image loading]
it's a little messy, but the relevant parts are the blue circles and the white circles. the mess is me measuring stuff.

on page 91 is my alternative model
on page 71 my first counter arguments against wheel theories.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
October 06 2011 08:57 GMT
#1849
On October 06 2011 15:38 bokeevboke wrote: Terrans are struggling against ling/baneling/muta compo


I wouldnt call what terrans are doing struggling, its more that they have to fight to win. Why would you make it easier than it is right now? It feels pretty hard for both sides to kill each other.
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NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 09:11:05
October 06 2011 09:07 GMT
#1850
My very first impression was:

Blizzard is trolling us. That just Wall E
[image loading]

Then I saw the Hellion transformer thing and it looks nice, but I don't really see it. The left hand (in the right of the picture) is clearly a hand holding a weapon. The top thing looks like a flame thrower or a laser or something. But I would find it weird to have wheels on the back. Could it be Reaper wings?

[image loading]

EDIT: Why would a Hellion transform? Into what functionality? I mean, Hellion is fast and high damage, so the only "upgrade" would be extra armor. How does one transform into something with higher armor?
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
October 06 2011 09:13 GMT
#1851
I loved medics in SC1, but I really don't think they would work in SC2. There's so much splash that medics wouldn't have chance to survive imo.

I'm still saying Tech Engineer guy, allows you to heal mech and lay mines, but removes the heal mech from SCVs so people can't all in with a load of SCVs and mass repair mech units.
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
October 06 2011 09:13 GMT
#1852
On October 06 2011 17:48 grappasc wrote:
[image loading]
it's a little messy, but the relevant parts are the blue circles and the white circles. the mess is me measuring stuff.

on page 91 is my alternative model
on page 71 my first counter arguments against wheel theories.

Are you really measuring the tires size?

This is probably NOT a straight Hellion, as it is clear by the general robustness of the silhoutte. It could share an anti-light role with the Hellion (and replace it) given the flamethrower, but the important part is that it seems a transformable vehicle.

The tires' size is totally irrelevant as long as the model is very similar, since it is a matter of artistic design. The vehicles in the artist's imaginative world have to have something in common.

Your alternative design is hilarious, and that's it.


Modernist
Profile Joined March 2011
United States89 Posts
October 06 2011 09:17 GMT
#1853
On October 06 2011 16:39 NicolBolas wrote:
The one problem with that theory is this: why do you think that's a flamethrower on it's head?

Except for the fact that they're both cylindrical, there aren't any similarities between the gun on this new unit and the Hellion's flamethrower. It seems to me that, while this may be a transforming vehicle, that doesn't mean that it uses a flamethrower in robot form. Or uses a flamethrower in vehicle form either.

It could be a "repurposed" Hellion, the way the Viking is kind of a modified Goliath.


Okay I have to point this out because people seem to have not noticed it...

We are comparing the in-game hellion model to concept art. This means, if it is a hellion transformed, things could look a little different!

IMO It's pretty obvious that it is a hellion transformed, despite a few mismatched details.
grappasc
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium86 Posts
October 06 2011 09:21 GMT
#1854
On October 06 2011 18:13 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 17:48 grappasc wrote:
[image loading]
it's a little messy, but the relevant parts are the blue circles and the white circles. the mess is me measuring stuff.

on page 91 is my alternative model
on page 71 my first counter arguments against wheel theories.

Are you really measuring the tires size?

This is probably NOT a straight Hellion, as it is clear by the general robustness of the silhoutte. It could share an anti-light role with the Hellion (and replace it) given the flamethrower, but the important part is that it seems a transformable vehicle.

The tires' size is totally irrelevant as long as the model is very similar, since it is a matter of artistic design. The vehicles in the artist's imaginative world have to have something in common.

Your alternative design is hilarious, and that's it.



"if it had tires, which it doesn't, it wouldn't have hellion tires".
the picture is an answer to those making direct comparisons with hellions and saying the "tires" match, when that's false.

sorry I made such a messy picture. I should've seen it coming. people can't read the text on it.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
October 06 2011 09:28 GMT
#1855
On October 06 2011 16:45 Swwww wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 10:54 Tatari wrote:
On October 06 2011 09:12 0neder wrote:
Terran
Make a mech hover bike unit - the new vulture, whatever the name is - to replace the Hellion.
Moving shot micro.
The Cliff-jump upgrade at armory, might have cooldown.
Separate Speed upgrade at armory. Make it ridiculously fast with upgrade.
Mines or reaper mine upgrade as well at tech lab.
Give Marauder AoE attack or eliminate it altogether.
Remove Reaper
Make Tanks 2 supply.
Replace Thor with new splash AA unit. Less supply.
Make Banshee faster, but nerf attack dmg/hp a bit.
Reduce Comsat footprint by 25-33%.
Nerf MULE mining rate slightly.
Give EMP to Raven and remove HSM.
Give Ghost new ability

Zerg:
Give Hydras Marauder's concussive slowing attack, upgraded at hydra den. More in line with Zerg's
Make Roaches 1 supply again so zerg feels more swarmy compared to terran. Nerf HP and attack accordingly. Buff default armor to compensate for reduced HP.
Lurkers evolve from Roach at tier 2. 2 supply, not seige range. No burrow move.
Make Burrow Hatchery tech.
Broodlords evolve from mutalisk.
Replace corruptor.
Add scourge.


Protoss:
Make Warpgate cooldown a bit slower than Gateway cooldown.
Move Warpgate upgrade to Twilight Council, adjust research time.
Replace Colossus with more exciting, more dangerous splash Robotics unit.
Fix carrier micro or replace carrier
Replace mothership with non-hero caster air unit.
Rename Phoenix
AA Splash Air unit

SC2, now with 200% more excitement, playability, and watchability


I think this guy lost his BW CD...


Why the hell is everyone hating on this guy for stating some valid points. Yeh ok it would make the game more like BW. But that is GOOD thing. Just because you people were fucking awful at BW does not mean you need to defend shitty unit design in sc2 so passionately.....

If you feel so passionately about that, what the hell are you doing in a SC2 thread? SC2 and BW are two different things with different mechanics, it's not gonna make one better if you make it more similar to the other.
salsaCHAYNES
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia12 Posts
October 06 2011 09:29 GMT
#1856
omg.. it must be so fun working at blizzard to know that everybody is going to lose their shit and overanalyse everything to ridiculous extents like this :\
"When things get weird, I'm in my element." - Liquid`TLO
Ganseng
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation473 Posts
October 06 2011 09:32 GMT
#1857
grappasc, I like your investigation. Seems plausible that blizzard could want to misslead us with the "obvious" hellion tire on this thing.
and then "chill" could be a counter-hint against hellion, couldn't it?
i'd love to see these things turn out to be mines!
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
October 06 2011 09:39 GMT
#1858
To be honest, I'd be very disappointed it was another transforming unit.

I want Terran - not transformers. The viking is enough as it is, it's one of the most boring units in the game.
Callynn
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands917 Posts
October 06 2011 09:44 GMT
#1859
On October 06 2011 18:29 salsaCHAYNES wrote:
omg.. it must be so fun working at blizzard to know that everybody is going to lose their shit and overanalyse everything to ridiculous extents like this :\


Oh yes, Team Blizzard is having the week of their lives

Worst of all is we are probably not going to know for sure untill Blizzcon :D
Comparing BW with SCII is like comparing a beautiful three-master sailing ship with a modern battlecruiser. Both are beautiful in their own way, both perform the same task, but they are worlds apart in how they are built and how they are steered.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
October 06 2011 09:44 GMT
#1860
Interesting. I really think the picutre made by amanda but I wonder about helion transformer ? Why would it transform ? Flying helions that would be a bit imba.

Guess well just have to wait and see!
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