EPTOn October 06 2011 20:06 nibbl wrote:
It's a mobile creep cleaning unit duh, clearly a water cannon on top :p
It's a mobile creep cleaning unit duh, clearly a water cannon on top :p
What I wouldn't do for a way to clear creep faster...
New Terran Unit in Heart of the Swarm - Page 95
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On October 06 2011 14:59 grappasc wrote: tires. no. page 71. I would like to add to my previous list of reasons it's not tires, that the "tire" on his leg doesn't match the "tires" on his shoulders. Look at a picture of a hellion, the back wheels don't have the same hub caps as the front and the rear wheels look a tad larger. (ankles are front wheels shoulders are back wheels) Also, the wheel on the top left shoulder you can clearly see the same tread in the high resolution pictures. ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/e/e2/Hellion_SC2_DevRend1.jpg) Also look at the inside surface of the shields, clearly the same ridged shape. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/W6aGq.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wEUkX.jpg) + Show Spoiler + This is what I see. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CL9gt.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i52.tinypic.com/4t9esp.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nPkLx.jpg) | ||
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
On October 06 2011 19:36 Cabinet Sanchez wrote: This is not a troll. I am not trying to make anyone angry. I am not trying to whine about balance. BUT I do, without question 100% agree with Artosis saying that Terran is the "swiss army knife" race. They really do have a unit for all situations, with a great variety of skills / features and a counter for every situation. I find it,... frustrating that the first unit they post a picture of is a Terran unit rather than Z or P. It's a bit childish of me but really, that's how I see it :/ they could either release 3 at once, or 1 at a time, and 1 at a time gives them more hype, and the order is just the same as the campaigns, the development team has had the most time to think about terran units, so it would make sense that they would have a good unit idea for terran before the other two races (imho). I'm sure they had a ton of unit ideas that got scrapped when they were making WoL | ||
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grappasc
Belgium86 Posts
On October 06 2011 19:28 Grummler wrote: Your picture only talks about hellion tires. So maybe it doesnt have the same tires as the hellion, but it still has tires. You cant just say "the tires doesnt fit to the hellion, so it doesnt have tires at all" Besides that, they still look nearly identical to the hellions tires. They size might be wrong, but everything else fits perfectly. Also, we (probably) do get a unit with a flamethrower that can transform into a vehicle and is build from the factory. How can this unit have nothing to do with the hellion? Maybe the hellion gets a new model, but technically they belong together. I can't say "the tires doesnt fit to the hellion, so it doesnt have tires at all", and I never did. The reasons it doesn't have tires are separate. the picture explains why they can't be hellion tires. why do I need to say this again? You are quoting me saying the same thing I'm telling you now. did you not read the quote you used? this dialogue is rather confusing to me. am I being trolled? The picture was an answer to those saying they're exactly like hellion tires. ... and no, "everything else" does not fit perfectly. the tire treads don't match, as pointed out in the picture ( blue circles ). the image showed 2 reasons they're not hellion tires, and that included both the size and the treads not matching if you don't bother reading what I say, why do you write me a reply? | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:12 CatNzHat wrote: they could either release 3 at once, or 1 at a time, and 1 at a time gives them more hype, and the order is just the same as the campaigns, the development team has had the most time to think about terran units, so it would make sense that they would have a good unit idea for terran before the other two races (imho). I'm sure they had a ton of unit ideas that got scrapped when they were making WoL Or they could just release a Zerg unit for the Zerg expansion, and after that the order doesn't matter (because if a second race also gets its new shiny unit, the third one will not worry too much). The thing is, we don't need to be reassured that Blizzard is looking at strengthening Terran, do we? And at this point, I'm sure they got a clear idea of every unit they want to add, because it's actually all dependant, you can't just add a terran unit, and then if you have time, zerg and protoss units also. So I think that they could have done it differently. They went for the WoL, HotS, LotV order, so be it. | ||
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Azera
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Sandro
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Zerg units can change into others by 'morphing' but its a one way transformation. Protoss units 'merge' by combing 2 units and this is also a one way transformation. Basically what I'm getting at is, will protoss/zerg get additional units in the expansion through morphing/merging? | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:33 Sandro wrote: Terran units can change into other units by 'transforming' they can also change back. Zerg units can change into others by 'morphing' but its a one way transformation. Protoss units 'merge' by combing 2 units and this is also a one way transformation. Basically what I'm getting at is, will protoss/zerg get additional units in the expansion through morphing/merging? Can I say if that's a Viking + Hellion merge, I will nergasm right now. "Your drill will pierce the heavens!" | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:40 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Can I say if that's a Viking + Hellion merge, I will nergasm right now. "Your drill will pierce the heavens!" they wouldnt be that stupid. no way they would make hellions fly :| Or if they do hopefully zerg gets something other then corruptors ....then again it seems like blizzard likes making zergs use units they say are bad units | ||
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Bane_
United Kingdom494 Posts
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Torumfroll
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:15 grappasc wrote: I can't say "the tires doesnt fit to the hellion, so it doesnt have tires at all", and I never did. The reasons it doesn't have tires are separate. the picture explains why they can't be hellion tires. why do I need to say this again? You are quoting me saying the same thing I'm telling you now. did you not read the quote you used? this dialogue is rather confusing to me. am I being trolled? The picture was an answer to those saying they're exactly like hellion tires. ... and no, "everything else" does not fit perfectly. the tire treads don't match, as pointed out in the picture ( blue circles ). the image showed 2 reasons they're not hellion tires, and that included both the size and the treads not matching if you don't bother reading what I say, why do you write me a reply? You still didnt say why it doesnt have tires. All you said so fair is "the reasons are separate". Awesome. Please enlighten us: Why does it NOT have tires at all? 3 2 1 GO! | ||
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CptCutter
United Kingdom370 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On October 06 2011 16:45 Swwww wrote: Why the hell is everyone hating on this guy for stating some valid points. Yeh ok it would make the game more like BW. But that is GOOD thing. Just because you people were fucking awful at BW does not mean you need to defend shitty unit design in sc2 so passionately..... Nobody is defending "shitty unit design." But the correct solution is not to declare defeat and just make SC2 into SC1. The correct solution is to make better units, not to make SC1 all over again. Otherwise, what's the point of having a new game at all? Thinking like this is really what makes me wish Blizzard had just started over with a clean slate with SC2. No SC1 units, at all, no matter how iconic. No Marines. No Siege Tanks. No Zerglings. No Mutalisks. No Zealots. No Carriers. Nothing. Oh, you could call the races the same thing. You could even design each race along similar design principles. But they would have no unit-to-unit consistency with the original. The problem with keeping SC1 units around is that removing SC1 units creates holes that look... rather like SC1 units. So new units tend to revolve around SC1-style things. Take Mech for example. At the initial Terran reveal, the Factory produced three things: Vikings (the base unit. The air transform was an upgrade), Cobras (aka: Diamondbacks), and Siege Tanks. But then they moved the Thor from being built in the field by an SCV to being a Factory unit. And they made it GtA. You know... like Goliaths. And then they made a fast, harassment buggy. You know... like Vultures. They had all these unique and interesting ideas, which could have worked in their own rights. But they eventually devolved into SC1 with stuff. Why? Because they kept Siege Tanks. The original version of the Thor had an AoE barrage mode that would have overlapped quite a bit with STs. And since we can't have anything stealing the ST's spot light, and God forbid they remove STs, they turn the Thor into an oversized Goliath instead of a different way of providing something like what Siege Tanks do. If they'd started with a clean slate, rather than building races around certain iconic SC1 units, they would have had the freedom to go where good design led them. But they didn't; they couldn't. The presence of iconic units kept them developing along certain lines, so that ultimately what we got was a bunch of units that are a few minor tweaks from their SC1 equivalents. Or they just shoehorned other races units into the wrong race. | ||
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grappasc
Belgium86 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:59 Grummler wrote: You still didnt say why it doesnt have tires. All you said so fair is "the reasons are separate". Awesome. Please enlighten us: Why does it NOT have tires at all? 3 2 1 GO! again, all you need to do is read the very quotes you are using yourself. | ||
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grappasc
Belgium86 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:12 Reborn8u wrote: Look at a picture of a hellion, the back wheels don't have the same hub caps as the front and the rear wheels look a tad larger. (ankles are front wheels shoulders are back wheels) Also, the wheel on the top left shoulder you can clearly see the same tread in the high resolution pictures. Also look at the inside surface of the shields, clearly the same ridged shape. + Show Spoiler + This is what I see. look at the top right red circle you drew, the lines look more like the treads of hellion's front wheels than those of the back wheels, but the top left doesn't show a hubcap like the front wheels of a hellion. so if it was a hellion wheel, it would have the hubcap of the back, but the treads of the front. it's not matching. and I don't think the resemblance is that impressive anyway. there's similar shapes, but they're not necessarily exactly the same, and the alleged grooves are not as thick&deep. ... yet you still say "ankles are front wheels shoulders are back wheels". that's just not presented in the image you posted. there's no match. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On October 06 2011 20:23 ZenithM wrote: Or they could just release a Zerg unit for the Zerg expansion, and after that the order doesn't matter (because if a second race also gets its new shiny unit, the third one will not worry too much). The thing is, we don't need to be reassured that Blizzard is looking at strengthening Terran, do we? They didn't release this information to reassure anyone. Blizzard is not releasing information to reassure people of anything. They aren't using this as a way to prove something. They released it to get people talking and build hype and suspense. Nothing more. | ||
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
On October 06 2011 21:06 NicolBolas wrote: Because they kept Siege Tanks. The original version of the Thor had an AoE barrage mode that would have overlapped quite a bit with STs. And since we can't have anything stealing the ST's spot light, and God forbid they remove STs, they turn the Thor into an oversized Goliath instead of a different way of providing something like what Siege Tanks do. I don't think there's any RTS game out there, where the 'human' race has not a tank. A tank just feels right for any 'human' fraction. | ||
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warmachine.
United States10 Posts
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