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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
October 02 2011 01:39 GMT
#701
First of all there is no sc2 on ESPN and secondly there no information regarding how sc2 will be presented or packaged. We'll have to wait and see. Don't make internet any bigger than it already is with pure speculation
I'm Quotable (IQ)
eleaf
Profile Joined September 2011
526 Posts
October 02 2011 01:40 GMT
#702
Well at least it is more entertaining to watch than the poker game...
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
October 02 2011 01:42 GMT
#703
I don't see why a channel like G4 wouldn't stream an event though.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 02 2011 01:51 GMT
#704
I think having SC2 on TV would be awesome, but I think having SC2 on ESPN 3 (an online channel available through Xbox live) is a better transition. Either way I'd love to turn on the TV and watch a game of SC2.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 01:54:04
October 02 2011 01:51 GMT
#705
On October 02 2011 10:03 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 07:11 Petninja wrote:
On October 02 2011 06:52 Terranist wrote:
for the non gamer, watching SC on espn will be about as interesting as watching paint dry. they tried it with MTG and it didn't end well.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQuXalg4PKs

this failed hard. especially because as an average viewer, i have no interest in MTG and would've changed the channel after trying to figure out this freakshow for 30 seconds. sorry, it's the truth.




I remember visiting my mothers house during the MLG with the hour long Boxer TvT, and my mother was absolutely absorbed in it. She had never seen the game before, and never watched games when I was growing up, but it made enough sense to her to be entertaining. It's a fun game to watch, even if you don't know it intimately. You don't give it nearly enough credit. Football should be more boring if anything, but tons of people watch Football without understanding the strategy that goes into it.


Cases like this are remote, if anything. Hate to break it to you.

I'm all for seeing SC2 on ESPN, but I'm not about to get my hopes up that the masses will be converted here.


Have you ever been to a LAN? How about a BarCraft? I have. Unlike your theory, I have seen people converted to fandom, once they give it a chance. My brother was one of them, and I have heard many, many stories of similar results from other barcraft organizers.

Give some faith to the game we all love and the general public's ability to grasp competition. StarCraft will not get anywhere with that kind of defeatist attitude.
Thank God and gunrun.
JoeKer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States9 Posts
October 02 2011 01:54 GMT
#706
That'd be sick!
I'll think of one give me a minute.
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
October 02 2011 02:02 GMT
#707
Id love to watch sc2 on the couch in the living room. I dont have a laptop so itd be a great alternative for if you have people over or just want to chill
Ixirawr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States86 Posts
October 02 2011 02:10 GMT
#708
if ESPN mentions how much money players make from winning tourneys (and don't mention the embarassing $5k MLG gives out) I could see people getting into the game. Much like they do with poker.

The idea that someone can get rich playing games appeals to a lot of people.
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
October 02 2011 02:25 GMT
#709
Love Esports and its growth, but not on Televison, that I don't use. IMO.
ponyo.848
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
October 02 2011 02:28 GMT
#710
Just bill it as Poker and then have Kiwikaki pull a computer out of a jacket and start playing so people can't avoid it!
They're fools. You should eat them.
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
October 02 2011 03:02 GMT
#711
On October 02 2011 07:41 Corrupted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 07:01 Soluhwin wrote:
TV is a downgrade from streaming in my opinion, I would only prefer this if it would get my family to watch it with me.


Yeah...the first point is my opinion as well. I never understand this desire from people to move onto television. The internet is so much better than TV in virtually every way. TV ruins things that are incredibly cool without it. I don't even own a television anymore...and have no intention of getting one anytime soon.


TV = more money. That's essentially the benefit. Instead of MLG giving the 1st place winner $5,000 they would have the money to give them $500,000. And that's not a big deal?

Maybe the internet is "better" but there is no comparison when it comes to the money.
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
October 02 2011 03:02 GMT
#712
Starcraft on television would have to work like Tour de France on television... There may be some times where it SEEMES that nothing is happening, but these moments are actually when the mood and the setting is made for the sport..

Imagine if every stage of the tour was boiled down into 5 minutes... I wouldnt watch that

I just dont believe that IF this is indeed happening, that TV networks such as EPSN/Eurosport will have the patience to show full games.. We'd be shown 3 minute snippets of each match.. If not full matches are shown, I would rather have none at all..
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
alwaid
Profile Joined October 2010
United States96 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#713
i support this 100%
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#714
Couldn't you run it like tennis, have like four matches at once and just switch to show the interesting parts until you get to semifinals and grand finals and show the whole games?
They're fools. You should eat them.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 02 2011 03:52 GMT
#715
On October 02 2011 12:02 ELA wrote:
Starcraft on television would have to work like Tour de France on television... There may be some times where it SEEMES that nothing is happening, but these moments are actually when the mood and the setting is made for the sport..

Imagine if every stage of the tour was boiled down into 5 minutes... I wouldnt watch that

I just dont believe that IF this is indeed happening, that TV networks such as EPSN/Eurosport will have the patience to show full games.. We'd be shown 3 minute snippets of each match.. If not full matches are shown, I would rather have none at all..


The tour de france works on TV for the same reason that other sports work on TV and for the same reason that Starcraft is probably the worst sport to pick for a live series and thats that for the previous examples they have a rough idea how long the games will last. They schedule 3 hours for football and sometimes they go over and sometimes they go under but usually when they are under or over it isnt by more than 20% of the time asigned or 30 minutes each way. If I were to schedule a Bo5 it could go either 4 hours or 30 minutes and thats just a massive time descrepancy to deal with as a scheduler. Even if you were to use only 1 or 2 games a day then you still dont know whether you are going to fill 2 hours or barely fill 30 minutes.

This is rather signifigant to advertisers who like to know there products are being advertised during the primary thing they bought. If you were to start with broadcasting Esports over live TV it would have to be something like either Halo or Gears of War in America for there popularity and there ability to look nice enough on a TV to draw a national or even global audiance (unlike BW and CS 1. 6 would struggle in that department). If you pick those games then you have a rought timeline of how long it will take to within about 15 minutes depending on if a Bo5 goes 3 games or 5.

If they were to broacast it though it would either have to be prerecorded and done with highlights and player reactions (like the madden series they did awhile back) or part of a gaming block so that you could ensure advertisers got what they wanted and would want to pay for.

Slightly off topic I would be willing to bet that ESPN's interest was probably garnered by either the reaction they got to the Gorden Hayward article or when they saw the numbers Starcraft was getting when researching it.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 02 2011 03:53 GMT
#716
On October 02 2011 12:18 Darclite wrote:
Couldn't you run it like tennis, have like four matches at once and just switch to show the interesting parts until you get to semifinals and grand finals and show the whole games?



That is actually an idea I hadnt thought of but is probably something ESPN could make work to fix the time issue.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 04:11:05
October 02 2011 04:10 GMT
#717
On October 02 2011 12:52 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:02 ELA wrote:
Starcraft on television would have to work like Tour de France on television... There may be some times where it SEEMES that nothing is happening, but these moments are actually when the mood and the setting is made for the sport..

Imagine if every stage of the tour was boiled down into 5 minutes... I wouldnt watch that

I just dont believe that IF this is indeed happening, that TV networks such as EPSN/Eurosport will have the patience to show full games.. We'd be shown 3 minute snippets of each match.. If not full matches are shown, I would rather have none at all..


The tour de france works on TV for the same reason that other sports work on TV and for the same reason that Starcraft is probably the worst sport to pick for a live series and thats that for the previous examples they have a rough idea how long the games will last. They schedule 3 hours for football and sometimes they go over and sometimes they go under but usually when they are under or over it isnt by more than 20% of the time asigned or 30 minutes each way. If I were to schedule a Bo5 it could go either 4 hours or 30 minutes and thats just a massive time descrepancy to deal with as a scheduler. Even if you were to use only 1 or 2 games a day then you still dont know whether you are going to fill 2 hours or barely fill 30 minutes.

This is rather signifigant to advertisers who like to know there products are being advertised during the primary thing they bought. If you were to start with broadcasting Esports over live TV it would have to be something like either Halo or Gears of War in America for there popularity and there ability to look nice enough on a TV to draw a national or even global audiance (unlike BW and CS 1. 6 would struggle in that department). If you pick those games then you have a rought timeline of how long it will take to within about 15 minutes depending on if a Bo5 goes 3 games or 5.

If they were to broacast it though it would either have to be prerecorded and done with highlights and player reactions (like the madden series they did awhile back) or part of a gaming block so that you could ensure advertisers got what they wanted and would want to pay for.

Slightly off topic I would be willing to bet that ESPN's interest was probably garnered by either the reaction they got to the Gorden Hayward article or when they saw the numbers Starcraft was getting when researching it.



It is sucessfully done with Tennis and Kroket... A tennis match can potentially go between 40 minutes to 5 hours - A croket match can last a couple of hours up till 3 days

They can make it work, if they want to make it work

A halfarsed 30 minute show with highlights from a tournament that you just know will have no appeal to a person who's never seen starcraft before...

Yeah, i'd rather do without

However, lets see what happens - I might get positively surprised
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
October 02 2011 04:33 GMT
#718
On October 02 2011 09:50 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 07:05 Oreo7 wrote:
MLG just needs to not fuck this up. They need to make sure that ESPN will run complete games, sets, etc. not just some high light reel to fit the tv schedule. ESPN needs to be willing to play to Starcraft, not vice versa. I have faith that esports will one day be main stream etc, and I hope this is the beginning.


Uhh yeah right... you have to be kidding me. ESPN will definitely not run MLG live (for reasons mentioned millions of times). And you're crazy if you think they'd make the time to run SC2 for more than an hour or two at a time. That's enough for two, maybe three BO3s.

Exactly why I'm against this idea. If you really think ESPN is going to show SC2 on a Sunday (keep in mind this is MLG, so you are in the same/similar time zones) over...

1) Fantasy Football Pre-Game Show
2) A Soccer Game (Real Madrid is on ESPN tomorrow)
3) Multiple Random Programming (College Women's Volleyball, BodyBuilding)
4) WNBA
5) Women's Billiards

You gotta be kidding me. Maybe ESPN would cut one of the latter 3. But they aren't going to spend more than a few hours (which is how much each of these programming items get) showing Starcraft.

Re-read my post before you condescend, I say exactly the same thing you do, except I'm optimistic and you're pessimistic for no real reason with no facts to back up your reasoning. Sundance has proven time after time he knows what he's doing.
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RodneyEdge
Profile Joined July 2011
United States8 Posts
October 02 2011 21:01 GMT
#719
To anyone saying no to SC2 being on ESPN2 because they don't watch tv...

I mean, do you realize how awesome it'd be to watch an epic game of Starcraft at your house, sitting on the couch with some of your best buds? Jumping up and yelling after seeing an awesome play? That's the appeal of it. I'd much rather take the social setting of watching in the living room rather than watching it by myself in a dark room on a smaller screen. And even if I were to get some friends to watch with me on a computer, it's not as appealing to hunch and gather around a computer.

If this happens, it'll be amazing. I can imagine a friend calling me and asking "hey, you wanna come over and watch the game?" And I'd be like "hell yeah!"
What if all the air in the world turned into wood?
bluehawky
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom183 Posts
October 02 2011 21:06 GMT
#720
I doubt this will ahppen but there hope... there's always hope! hopefully if it does happen teamliquid will be all over it :D
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