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On October 30 2011 18:39 Phyanketto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 18:24 Jakkerr wrote:
It can't be succesful, just look at the facts.
ESPN is American only?
atleast half of the americans won't tune in to ESPN cuz they either don't have a TV, don't have a subscription for ESPN or just prefer watching it on their pc.
Don't think people that never heard about it are gonna watch, cuz that's false hope.
ESPN is American only. Ok, that's a baseline of 350,000,000 people. Let's say that 60% of people do not watch TV. That's 140,000,000 left over. Let's say that a good 10% of those that do have TV's watch ESPN (hint: it's actually a lot more, as American handegg is one of the biggest media events in the nation, and that is broadcast on ESPN). That number is 14,000,000. Let's say that even 10% of people that watch ESPN in our little hypothetical debate would even give SC2 a chance. That's 1,400,000. Add that in with the demographic we're shooting for (males 13-30) and we'd have a fairly healthy number. That's certainly larger than any MLG stream numbers for SC2 so far. Add that to the fact that people that already watch SC, let's say they're a good 100k, would watch and spread the word, etc. More and more people play video games. Those that were gamers as children are now growing up. There will be more and more gamers in the media industry (perhaps disproportionately so, given the leanings of graphic design, PR, etc) meaning that sooner or later, competitive gaming will end up on TV.
LOL @ people thinking ESPN is american only. They have ESPN Brasil here.
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On October 31 2011 01:01 bigbadgreen wrote:Show nested quote +Bowling and pool don't have 55 minute TvT's which would overlap commercial breaks But ESPN already shows soccer which is two 45 minute halfs without commercial as well as their Indy car coverage where they don't break from the race unless it allows, like during a caution. For indy they do a side by side ad and coverage and for soccer they have a small ad next to the score and they commentators usually say something like "brought to you commercial free by XYZ..."
Sorry but if you are comparing a video game with a world known sport you are doing something wrong.
Same for everyone else here saying stuff like "yea but they have obscure stuff like spelling bee"
Ever thought that spelling bee stuff is more known then a game everywhere besides korea?
Like it or not but the majority sees starcraft as just another video game so if you indeed want it on tv prepare to take serious hits.
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sounds like blasphemy but i would rather have an NBA season on ESPN
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Thumbs UP!!! Wonder how the show would be like, 1 hour seems to little thou. Guess they making progress. Gold Carding Up for Providence!!!
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On October 31 2011 01:49 Riskr wrote:sounds like blasphemy but i would rather have an NBA season on ESPN
yea I would like an NBA season too
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I saw a post earlier in this thread that I liked. Shame I can't find it.
If you do this on TV, it has one shot. ONE shot. If it crashes and burns, especially on something like ESPN, that's it. It's done for, FOREVER. Almost no one will give it another shot again. It will never get another shot on TV, unless something absolutely miraculous happens. I would not want to make that chance just yet.
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On October 31 2011 01:54 Candadar wrote:
I saw a post earlier in this thread that I liked. Shame I can't find it.
If you do this on TV, it has one shot. ONE shot. If it crashes and burns, especially on something like ESPN, that's it. It's done for, FOREVER. Almost no one will give it another shot again. It will never get another shot on TV, unless something absolutely miraculous happens. I would not want to make that chance just yet.
This is completely accurate. Sundance better know what he's doing. I would love SC2 on TV, but we better do it right. The fate of esports' future lies in Sundance's hands. GL.
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On October 30 2011 18:39 Phyanketto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 18:24 Jakkerr wrote:
It can't be succesful, just look at the facts.
ESPN is American only?
atleast half of the americans won't tune in to ESPN cuz they either don't have a TV, don't have a subscription for ESPN or just prefer watching it on their pc.
Don't think people that never heard about it are gonna watch, cuz that's false hope.
ESPN is American only. Ok, that's a baseline of 350,000,000 people. Let's say that 60% of people do not watch TV. That's 140,000,000 left over. Let's say that a good 10% of those that do have TV's watch ESPN (hint: it's actually a lot more, as American handegg is one of the biggest media events in the nation, and that is broadcast on ESPN).
hrmmm...i guess the same way people stereotype video gamers the same can be done for other things.
ESPN is a worldwide brand....
http://intltv.espn.com/on_air/tv_listings
ESPN Brazil
ESPN Israel
ESPN Middle East
etc
etc
Soccernet (europe)
ESPN Deportes
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additionally, wouldn't be easier to integrate this with that video game channel..G4 or whatever...is that still around?
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On October 31 2011 02:08 basballguy wrote:
additionally, wouldn't be easier to integrate this with that video game channel..G4 or whatever...is that still around?
Only gamers watch g4 really, also none of their shows that i have seen even cover esports
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On October 31 2011 02:30 RumTalk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 02:08 basballguy wrote:
additionally, wouldn't be easier to integrate this with that video game channel..G4 or whatever...is that still around? Only gamers watch g4 really, also none of their shows that i have seen even cover esports
No, but AotS has covered SC2 a couple of times (including events) as far as I know. Dunno if they broadcast anything over TV, but I'm sure their site live-streamed it.
They need more gamer stuff, less reruns of Cops/Cheaters. Giving them a bad rep. =(
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On October 31 2011 02:08 basballguy wrote:
additionally, wouldn't be easier to integrate this with that video game channel..G4 or whatever...is that still around?
G4 has 3 game shows they show at primetime and have Ninja Warrior, a couple of random Japanese shows, and reruns of Cops and Cheaters for the other 20 hours of the day.
It's a joke network that's quality has slipped consistently since they started phasing out the interesting shows left over from the TechTV merger.
I doubt they'd ever cover e-sports despite their anemic ratings anyway.
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On October 31 2011 01:54 Candadar wrote:
I saw a post earlier in this thread that I liked. Shame I can't find it.
If you do this on TV, it has one shot. ONE shot. If it crashes and burns, especially on something like ESPN, that's it. It's done for, FOREVER. Almost no one will give it another shot again. It will never get another shot on TV, unless something absolutely miraculous happens. I would not want to make that chance just yet.
That's only half true. A while ago (as in around 1990) a german station had a video game show with decent esports focus. In the end it petered off because the audience wasn't regular enough (and the station it aired on got axed) and now we are talking about esports on TV again.
True to some extent if ESPN fails it is unlikely that a major brand or station will pick it up in the forseeable future, but at some point in the future they might consider it again.
To be honest there are many ways in which esports COULD be done perfectly fine on TV, but i wonder if we truly need it. To some extent the entire generation which is the target audience is very used to the internet already, many new TVs can easily display internet streams (at least in Europe the newest generation can). I think with some targeted advertising on ESPN you could reach similar crowds and audiences with the current streams.
If MLG wanted they could easily host a daily show of 90 minutes with 2 commercial breaks where they repeat or recast replays from the last MLG or other tournaments (if they can get the rights to cast those) on their stream.
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