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Phyanketto
United States611 Posts
1) Success - With even moderate success, more money from supporters, sponsorships and the like will bring more skill and attention to the scene. More money in tournaments, more production value, more gg, more skill. 2) Failure - People with think we are nerds. I like the outcomes of both. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On October 30 2011 18:12 Phyanketto wrote: I'l just say this to the people that are against putting SC2 on Tv... There are two possible outcomes. 1) Success - With even moderate success, more money from supporters, sponsorships and the like will bring more skill and attention to the scene. More money in tournaments, more production value, more gg, more skill. 2) Failure - People with think we are nerds. I like the outcomes of both. It can't be succesful, just look at the facts. ESPN is American only? atleast half of the americans won't tune in to ESPN cuz they either don't have a TV, don't have a subscription for ESPN or just prefer watching it on their pc. Don't think people that never heard about it are gonna watch, cuz that's false hope. I know people think TV is a good idea and every1 wants to rush things, but the community isn't big enough at all. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On October 30 2011 18:24 Jakkerr wrote: It can't be succesful, just look at the facts. ESPN is American only? atleast half of the americans won't tune in to ESPN cuz they either don't have a TV, don't have a subscription for ESPN or just prefer watching it on their pc. Don't think people that never heard about it are gonna watch, cuz that's false hope. I know people think TV is a good idea and every1 wants to rush things, but the community isn't big enough at all. Sometimes they have some obscure shit on ESPN, especially ESPN2, and I'll tune in just to see what it's all about. I'm sure it would draw at least a little attention from the average viewer, especially with the right casters. | ||
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Phyanketto
United States611 Posts
On October 30 2011 18:24 Jakkerr wrote: It can't be succesful, just look at the facts. ESPN is American only? atleast half of the americans won't tune in to ESPN cuz they either don't have a TV, don't have a subscription for ESPN or just prefer watching it on their pc. Don't think people that never heard about it are gonna watch, cuz that's false hope. ESPN is American only. Ok, that's a baseline of 350,000,000 people. Let's say that 60% of people do not watch TV. That's 140,000,000 left over. Let's say that a good 10% of those that do have TV's watch ESPN (hint: it's actually a lot more, as American handegg is one of the biggest media events in the nation, and that is broadcast on ESPN). That number is 14,000,000. Let's say that even 10% of people that watch ESPN in our little hypothetical debate would even give SC2 a chance. That's 1,400,000. Add that in with the demographic we're shooting for (males 13-30) and we'd have a fairly healthy number. That's certainly larger than any MLG stream numbers for SC2 so far. Add that to the fact that people that already watch SC, let's say they're a good 100k, would watch and spread the word, etc. More and more people play video games. Those that were gamers as children are now growing up. There will be more and more gamers in the media industry (perhaps disproportionately so, given the leanings of graphic design, PR, etc) meaning that sooner or later, competitive gaming will end up on TV. | ||
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Kommissar
Australia48 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On October 30 2011 18:24 Jakkerr wrote: It can't be succesful, just look at the facts. ESPN is American only? atleast half of the americans won't tune in to ESPN cuz they either don't have a TV, don't have a subscription for ESPN or just prefer watching it on their pc. Don't think people that never heard about it are gonna watch, cuz that's false hope. I know people think TV is a good idea and every1 wants to rush things, but the community isn't big enough at all. Before ESPN started to show poker it was relatively a small niche community and who would have figured watching people play poker would draw so many in? There are a lot of great personalities that you can parallel and the casters for Poker are as enjoyable as Tastosis and other SC2 casters. Honestly, if they still continue to show Bowling and Spelling Bees on ESPN 2 & 3 then I doubt SC would be less successful than those programs. They simply cannot just throw a bunch of money in the beginning. I think a lot of people would be surprised how many folks watch the poker shows who normally never play poker because of the mind games, personalities, and money on the line. The same dynamics are at work with SC and it is more visceral which brings in a broader demographic. They would have to cast replays since a live broadcast just wouldn't work that well. EX: After MLG is over they could break down the segments into hour long and have it shown over the course of a week or so with interviews, histories, documentaries, etc. Get to know the players, just like in Poker. IdrA would be the Phil Helmuth of SC2. I think people would tune in. In enough numbers to make a profit. It wouldn't be all that expensive for ESPN and e-Sports is continuing to grow. All the gamer nerds who grew up playing games are getting older with jobs & money to put towards their hobbies, etc. No one is arguing (or at least they shouldn't) that ESPN should host a league with teams, or individual tournaments. Honestly, the downside is very limited. It's a much more enjoyable experience to watch the games on your 40+ inch HD TV while lounging on the couch, instead of on your 18-20' laptop screen. (Not to mention you can TIVO/DVR the games and watch them later, instead of having to hunt them down on folks Twitch.TV or Youtube with horribad quality) PS: I don't know how it is in the NL, but 98% of the American population owns a TV and many own 3+. As for cable...yes, that number is lower, but it is still a majority of households in the US. | ||
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
On October 30 2011 20:15 Wegandi wrote: Before ESPN started to show poker it was relatively a small niche community and who would have figured watching people play poker would draw so many in? There are a lot of great personalities that you can parallel and the casters for Poker are as enjoyable as Tastosis and other SC2 casters. Honestly, if they still continue to show Bowling and Spelling Bees on ESPN 2 & 3 then I doubt SC would be less successful than those programs. They simply cannot just throw a bunch of money in the beginning. I think a lot of people would be surprised how many folks watch the poker shows who normally never play poker because of the mind games, personalities, and money on the line. The same dynamics are at work with SC and it is more visceral which brings in a broader demographic. They would have to cast replays since a live broadcast just wouldn't work that well. EX: After MLG is over they could break down the segments into hour long and have it shown over the course of a week or so with interviews, histories, documentaries, etc. Get to know the players, just like in Poker. IdrA would be the Phil Helmuth of SC2. I think people would tune in. In enough numbers to make a profit. It wouldn't be all that expensive for ESPN and e-Sports is continuing to grow. All the gamer nerds who grew up playing games are getting older with jobs & money to put towards their hobbies, etc. No one is arguing (or at least they shouldn't) that ESPN should host a league with teams, or individual tournaments. Honestly, the downside is very limited. It's a much more enjoyable experience to watch the games on your 40+ inch HD TV while lounging on the couch, instead of on your 18-20' laptop screen. (Not to mention you can TIVO/DVR the games and watch them later, instead of having to hunt them down on folks Twitch.TV or Youtube with horribad quality) Is it not fair to say the biggest probable reason people stay on a channel when they see poker is because the amount of cash changing hands ;o? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I disagree. Most TV broadcasters dont support higher resolution stuff (I know sky, pretty much THE uk broadcaster, wont go past 1280x720p) and having that blown up onto a 40" screen gives me headaches. Much more comfortable with a 21" screen running 1920x1200 only 1-2 feet away from you and having a nice comfy chair with wheels etc and a desk to put stuff on, a way to talk to friends and other people about the game etc... | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On October 30 2011 20:21 dahornnn wrote: Is it not fair to say the biggest probable reason people stay on a channel when they see poker is because the amount of cash changing hands ;o? Sure, that plays a part, and there is a lot of money changing hands in the major SC2 tournaments also (just not in the millions...). However, a lot of people tune in to watch the personalities, the mind games, and as entertainment. (luck, random chance on the river, suspense, etc.) Poker and SC have a lot of the same qualities just ask ElkY, Rekrul, etc. | ||
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ILoveAustralia
Bangladesh104 Posts
Solution: JASON LEE for ESPN!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On October 30 2011 19:55 Kommissar wrote: Yes, but tonnes of people on reddit think this was just some guy trolling Well some guys on the internet thought some guy was lying with no evidence. You've convinced me! | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
I disagree with it. I won't catch any of these things on tv because i'll be able to get a better experience on my pc. | ||
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Wesso
Netherlands1245 Posts
On Oct 30 2011 15:28<span style='color:#d20000'> (12 min)</span> ih8Australia wrote: Problem with eSPN.. You cant have tasosis talking about dragonballz, pokemon or yugioh. This, I don't think the ESPN audience appreciates being called "nerd" every 30 seconds. Maybe TB or Husky? | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
On October 30 2011 23:41 Wesso wrote: This, I don't think the ESPN audience appreciates being called "nerd" every 30 seconds. Maybe TB or Husky? Why would we wan't either of those people who know very little about the game compaired to tasteless or artosis or day9 as the face of our community? | ||
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MysteryHours
United States168 Posts
On October 30 2011 23:39 D u o wrote: TV does drama the best. Players bring drama. Sc2 as a game has 0 drama SC2 has no more or less drama than stuff like bowling and pool which seem to do fine on ESPN. Though if SC2 was on TV I'd prefer to see it on a techy/alternative channel rather than an ESPN channel. | ||
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D u o
Canada381 Posts
On October 31 2011 00:11 MysteryHours wrote: SC2 has no more or less drama than stuff like bowling and pool which seem to do fine on ESPN. Bowling and pool don't have 55 minute TvT's which would overlap commercial breaks. Internet is a better outlet for watching SC2 because we won't have to be censored, overlapped and we will be able to watch a lot more of the actual events since we can have multiple streams and views on the players and the event. Poker and SC2 are along the same terms it's all about information deducing however poker has a huge social aspect you learn a lot of the players because they're constantly talking or not talking you get these views 100%. Changing the way Artosis or Tasteless are in front of a camera is bad for us as fans of WHAT they are and putting people with lackluster knowledge in front of the camera to be our face is also bad for what we want to show to the world. We are gamers, we're very passionate about the game and we shouldn't have to change the way we are to apply to a general audience, who watch bowling, pool, lumberjack competitions and bugle/drum competitions. If we will have to change the face's or be a lot more censored it's not good for our community. Sure it'll grow it. But growth isn't always the best thing. If the growth will change what I love about watching SC2 then I vote no for growth. Tournaments are rapidly getting bigger, regardless of TV or not. Our audience is getting more and more diverse WITHOUT TV ALREADY. Why do we NEED SC2 on TV if it even has ANY potential of changing these sorts of things. I have no doubt that it'll do good its what we'll have to change for it to actually be on TV. The comparison i can leave with anyone is just see how much worse pure pwnage got going from a no censor program to a more mainstream audience when it got put on TV. I know for myself it got hugely worse because they had to make less community references and had to change the personalities of characters. Sure this isn't a TV show but just going from one audience group to another there will be some changes that have to be made. I watch a lot of SC2 streams and almost every major event, and I can't imagine tasteless or Artosis without being nerdy. I can't imagine day9 without his random bursts of laughter. | ||
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bigbadgreen
United States142 Posts
As for creating drama. That's what tv is for. Espn has done enough broadcasts and had to fill so much downtime that they will be prepared no matter what. The formula they use is to have a broadcast team in place and then add atleast one expert. I can guarentee that any broadcast team that Espn uses will know the game and be able to talk non stop about it. The reason for this is that the Espn provided casters would be newer and are trying to establish a relationship with Espn so they can advance to the big time stuff. Go ahead and research how much time all of their analysts and commentators do researching the things they broadcast. If you were to throw in somebody like Day 9 with two espn casters I don't think you would be dissapointed. For production value alone this should be done. If you think any SC tournament is on par with the capabilities of Espn you are fooling yourself. The crews setting up and tearing down for Espn events do thousands per year. The logistics of it blow away anything SC has seen. Even if it fails on Espn the experience of seeing how it's done would be invaluable to any SC tournament organizer. Having SC on a mainstream channel also legitimizes it to the general public. This could spur a new generation of foreign gamers. It's a lot easier to convince your parents that you want to explore a gaming career if your chosen game is being shown on something that your parents understand and they can see the potential future in. This not only peaks the interest of a wider gamer audience, it builds upon itself. Why do you think SC is so big in Korea? Because they have the infrastructure in place to support and legitimize it. I just don't see how this is a bad thing to explore. If it succeeds then you'll bring in potential millions in advertising and sponsorship money. If it fails then there are underlying benefits and things will go back to how they are now and potentially be improved. Also with more capable "smart" tvs coming out and more channels to choose from SC could make a comeback to mainstream in the future, even if it were on a smaller channel. | ||
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bigbadgreen
United States142 Posts
Bowling and pool don't have 55 minute TvT's which would overlap commercial breaks But ESPN already shows soccer which is two 45 minute halfs without commercial as well as their Indy car coverage where they don't break from the race unless it allows, like during a caution. For indy they do a side by side ad and coverage and for soccer they have a small ad next to the score and they commentators usually say something like "brought to you commercial free by XYZ..." | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On October 30 2011 20:21 Cyro wrote: "It's a much more enjoyable experience to watch the games on your 40+ inch HD TV while lounging on the couch, instead of on your 18-20' laptop screen. " I disagree. Most TV broadcasters dont support higher resolution stuff (I know sky, pretty much THE uk broadcaster, wont go past 1280x720p) and having that blown up onto a 40" screen gives me headaches. Much more comfortable with a 21" screen running 1920x1200 only 1-2 feet away from you and having a nice comfy chair with wheels etc and a desk to put stuff on, a way to talk to friends and other people about the game etc... You know you can watch TV AND have your laptop open in front of you... | ||
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