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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
October 01 2011 18:25 GMT
#661
MLG should just make it a pay-per-view event. Would be more worth the money than a Boxing event.
Bortlett
Profile Joined October 2010
United States302 Posts
October 01 2011 18:26 GMT
#662
On October 02 2011 02:52 nerdoplex wrote:
No, ESPN is made for real sports, not eSports. I love them both but keep eSports online and off American TV.


Because Scrabble, poker, and darts are real sports, unlike Starcraft.

As others have said, there's zero downside. This probably won't even cost that much for ESPN, and Starcraft caters to the valuable 18-35 male demographic. It's not like MLG is broadcasting on ESPN instead of streams.
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
October 01 2011 18:27 GMT
#663
really liking the commitment mlg has to help spread competitive gaming. Sundance gains +1 follower on twitter.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
October 01 2011 18:31 GMT
#664
No offense but MLG tried television before. It was a disaster.

It's really hard to broadcast a tournament with such a small time slot. I assume they would just be broadcasting the finals of the tournament if they did do it.
babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
October 01 2011 18:34 GMT
#665
If ESPN2 were to try to get SC2 I think it'd just end up like how Magic: the Gathering was on it. Random program filler at like noon or 3 am of taped older matches.
Joey Wheeler
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (North)276 Posts
October 01 2011 18:35 GMT
#666
On October 02 2011 03:31 Corrik wrote:
No offense but MLG tried television before. It was a disaster.

It's really hard to broadcast a tournament with such a small time slot. I assume they would just be broadcasting the finals of the tournament if they did do it.


MLG lacked popularity back then. Do you think TV execs would be willing to try again if they weren't confident in this?
IveReturned
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Turkey258 Posts
October 01 2011 18:36 GMT
#667
On October 02 2011 03:26 Bortlett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 02:52 nerdoplex wrote:
No, ESPN is made for real sports, not eSports. I love them both but keep eSports online and off American TV.


Because Scrabble, poker, and darts are real sports, unlike Starcraft.

As others have said, there's zero downside. This probably won't even cost that much for ESPN, and Starcraft caters to the valuable 18-35 male demographic. It's not like MLG is broadcasting on ESPN instead of streams.


Fakesports
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
October 01 2011 18:51 GMT
#668
On October 02 2011 03:35 Joey Wheeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 03:31 Corrik wrote:
No offense but MLG tried television before. It was a disaster.

It's really hard to broadcast a tournament with such a small time slot. I assume they would just be broadcasting the finals of the tournament if they did do it.


MLG lacked popularity back then. Do you think TV execs would be willing to try again if they weren't confident in this?


I don't know. I thought MLG recently lost it's support on espn.com (or at least I can't find portals to it anymore), but I could be wrong.

Obviously they think it working is possible. But, I don't know...

I just can't see a really good way to broadcast an event in such a time slot.

Maybe they could try poker's way, but you can't have that many episodes per tournament. Some games last an hour alone (TvT lol). How could you possibly do it?

I'm open to the idea of it...I just don't see it being viable for a TV slot (unless fully broadcasted on G4 maybe).
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
October 01 2011 19:12 GMT
#669
I'd probably watch it if I came across it, but I just can't see a way that a real deal, live event would work on TV. And that's what most people are going to want.

there could always be something like what NBC did with the Olympics, showing some games and directing viewers to their site for others.

But even if the goal was to only show the finals as 100% live, that's such a difficult task. If it's a BoX series, there's a very real possibility of having a five minute first game because of some aggressive play, followed by a really conservative 40 something minute game... you're absolutely getting TV breaks during gameplay, which is setting up SC2 for a Heidi Game right off the bat. There's also the fact that ESPN wouldn't be able to accurately set their programming for the day because of how wildly the length of say, a best of 3 series could vary.
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Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
October 01 2011 21:02 GMT
#670
most sc2 games, be honest, are 12-16 min. the 45m TvTs are few and far between, and i'm jaded enough at this point to not give a fuck if it commercials during TvT #30 (;

(joke answer in part: i'm sure they will either televise with a 3min delay to allow for c-breaks or be willing to not commercial during a long game, like they [i hear] are during other intense sports moments)
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
October 01 2011 21:08 GMT
#671
Any update from Sundance? It's been way more than an hour and I doubt he's still in this meeting.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
October 01 2011 21:10 GMT
#672
Couldn't they just put a commercial in and jump right back in where the game was. I don't see why that's such a technical impossibility. Just don't do it mid-battle.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 01 2011 21:19 GMT
#673
On October 02 2011 06:10 Jonoman92 wrote:
Couldn't they just put a commercial in and jump right back in where the game was. I don't see why that's such a technical impossibility. Just don't do it mid-battle.

That would only work with pre-recorded stuff.
Can you imagine the rage when suddenly cut in the middle of a match for a commercial?
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
October 01 2011 21:22 GMT
#674
4k yes's o .o
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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
October 01 2011 21:23 GMT
#675
I would watch, but if they did it they have to do it like it is on the internet now. I can't see how they would do the advertising and it it into a timeslot without being heavily edited. I wouldn't be interested in watching small segments or highlights.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
October 01 2011 21:25 GMT
#676
On October 02 2011 06:10 Jonoman92 wrote:
Couldn't they just put a commercial in and jump right back in where the game was. I don't see why that's such a technical impossibility. Just don't do it mid-battle.


You've played long enough to know that a LOT can happen within the 30 sec to 2min that an ad or a couple ads can run. You could make up for it in between games, but there's a lot of other issues at hand too. Many can be worked around, but a true live event seems quite difficult.
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
October 01 2011 21:28 GMT
#677
On October 02 2011 06:08 Zooper31 wrote:
Any update from Sundance? It's been way more than an hour and I doubt he's still in this meeting.


Yep.

@MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni
Thank you Reddit and Twitter for answering the call. Front-page of reddit and well over a thousand replies and retweets. Made an impression.
19 hours ago


He also acknowledged the TL votes.
/commercial
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
October 01 2011 21:29 GMT
#678
On October 01 2011 19:34 j0ker wrote:
You have to take a step back and look at this objectively. This isn't a new league or tournament that is relying on TV viewership to sustain itself. This is MLG, currently a staple of foreign sc2 and a very successful, sustainable business model that is potentially offering programming to Espn. The only risk here is that Espn wouldn't bother itself with SC2 again, which would be fine if this turned out to be unsuccessful.

Loving the armchair TV execs discussing programming length and commercial timing. Lets be realistic, this isn't going to get a primetime slot. Espn2 has a long history of covering niche "sports", and even has a history with Mlg. They also have a history of poker, which EXPLODED in popularity and spread like wildfire across the television medium and all over the internet. Poker coverage started on espn(2) as niche programming to fill in slots that were taken up by the 80th rerun of sportscenter.

From espn's perspective, they are looking at a game/"esport" that is currently experiencing pretty incredible growth in the U.S.(and to a slightly lesser extent in Europe), and has a decade-long history of extreme popularity in South Korea. They are also very reminiscent of the explosion of poker, of which they were a very big helping hand. They see this as an opportunity to grab Starcraft 2 first, and to nurture it and help it explode like they did with poker.

From the perspective of a Starcraft 2 fan, this has to be viewed as nothing other than a huge opportunity. I think we all agree that SC2 doesn't NEED to be shown on TV, the internet is the ideal medium and currently works best. But one has to realize that, despite programming becoming more and more popular online, there are ALWAYS going to be people that want to lay down on their couch and flip channels. And there are a lot more of those people than internet streamers like ourselves. A LOT more. Furthermore, ESPN leveraging their gigantic viewership and powerful advertising and self-promotion infrastructure on a game we all love is nothing but a good thing. We all know how addicting this game is to watch and we all know or know of dozens of people who have played little more than 5 games in bronze yet set their alarms to 2:10 AM to watch tastosis cover the GSL. It is naive to think that this addictive game isn't going to gain a pretty significant bump with exposure to MILLIONS of new sets of eyes.

Logistically, SC2 tourneys are not ideal for programming and SC2 games are not ideal for commerical timings. Concessions can be made though, from both sides. Initially this is almost certainly going to be a late night time slot, therefore not live considering MLG is the tournament being discussed. I know we all prefer our sc2 as live as can be, but remember that this isn't necessarily targeted at you specifically, but targeted at your classmate who doesn't know he likes SC2 yet(although you bet your ass you will end up tuning in as well). An edited 2-3 hour program could cover the late bracket stages of an MLG with minimal downtime between games. TV likes its commercials short and frequent, but sports on TV are given flexibility in this regard. Soccer is a nightmare for commercials but is shown on TV. Keep in mind that most SC2 games average around 15 minutes or shorter. The format would probably look quite a bit like it does for baseball.

(3 hour MLG final day condensed):

Intro/casters/bracket rundown
Commercial
Game 1
Commercial after each game
Double commercial after each match, with commentary and bracket stuff filled in

Pretty doable to be honest. Any nightmare 45 minute+ games would be an issue, but these are quite rare and a quick commercial could even be added in if the coverage was not live. Live coverage would be a good deal more difficult logistically, but realistically the overall popularity would be so high at that point that they could work things out without much legitimate whining from the community.

In closing, this would be an amazing opportunity for SC2 to grow and best of luck to Sundance and his staff.


This post should be quoted on the topic to get people to stop talking nonsense. While it may still be premature for StarCraft, Sundance is creating a huge opportunity for our sport, so let's support him.
Thank God and gunrun.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
October 01 2011 21:30 GMT
#679
Eurosport would be great imo. They air a lot of sports that aren't very popular and always try to show as much live-content as possible. They also did bits about eSport in the past so it would be fitting.
xlord 5:0
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
October 01 2011 21:35 GMT
#680
On October 02 2011 06:29 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 19:34 j0ker wrote:
You have to take a step back and look at this objectively. This isn't a new league or tournament that is relying on TV viewership to sustain itself. This is MLG, currently a staple of foreign sc2 and a very successful, sustainable business model that is potentially offering programming to Espn. The only risk here is that Espn wouldn't bother itself with SC2 again, which would be fine if this turned out to be unsuccessful.

Loving the armchair TV execs discussing programming length and commercial timing. Lets be realistic, this isn't going to get a primetime slot. Espn2 has a long history of covering niche "sports", and even has a history with Mlg. They also have a history of poker, which EXPLODED in popularity and spread like wildfire across the television medium and all over the internet. Poker coverage started on espn(2) as niche programming to fill in slots that were taken up by the 80th rerun of sportscenter.

From espn's perspective, they are looking at a game/"esport" that is currently experiencing pretty incredible growth in the U.S.(and to a slightly lesser extent in Europe), and has a decade-long history of extreme popularity in South Korea. They are also very reminiscent of the explosion of poker, of which they were a very big helping hand. They see this as an opportunity to grab Starcraft 2 first, and to nurture it and help it explode like they did with poker.

From the perspective of a Starcraft 2 fan, this has to be viewed as nothing other than a huge opportunity. I think we all agree that SC2 doesn't NEED to be shown on TV, the internet is the ideal medium and currently works best. But one has to realize that, despite programming becoming more and more popular online, there are ALWAYS going to be people that want to lay down on their couch and flip channels. And there are a lot more of those people than internet streamers like ourselves. A LOT more. Furthermore, ESPN leveraging their gigantic viewership and powerful advertising and self-promotion infrastructure on a game we all love is nothing but a good thing. We all know how addicting this game is to watch and we all know or know of dozens of people who have played little more than 5 games in bronze yet set their alarms to 2:10 AM to watch tastosis cover the GSL. It is naive to think that this addictive game isn't going to gain a pretty significant bump with exposure to MILLIONS of new sets of eyes.

Logistically, SC2 tourneys are not ideal for programming and SC2 games are not ideal for commerical timings. Concessions can be made though, from both sides. Initially this is almost certainly going to be a late night time slot, therefore not live considering MLG is the tournament being discussed. I know we all prefer our sc2 as live as can be, but remember that this isn't necessarily targeted at you specifically, but targeted at your classmate who doesn't know he likes SC2 yet(although you bet your ass you will end up tuning in as well). An edited 2-3 hour program could cover the late bracket stages of an MLG with minimal downtime between games. TV likes its commercials short and frequent, but sports on TV are given flexibility in this regard. Soccer is a nightmare for commercials but is shown on TV. Keep in mind that most SC2 games average around 15 minutes or shorter. The format would probably look quite a bit like it does for baseball.

(3 hour MLG final day condensed):

Intro/casters/bracket rundown
Commercial
Game 1
Commercial after each game
Double commercial after each match, with commentary and bracket stuff filled in

Pretty doable to be honest. Any nightmare 45 minute+ games would be an issue, but these are quite rare and a quick commercial could even be added in if the coverage was not live. Live coverage would be a good deal more difficult logistically, but realistically the overall popularity would be so high at that point that they could work things out without much legitimate whining from the community.

In closing, this would be an amazing opportunity for SC2 to grow and best of luck to Sundance and his staff.


This post should be quoted on the topic to get people to stop talking nonsense. While it may still be premature for StarCraft, Sundance is creating a huge opportunity for our sport, so let's support him.


I second this notion, should be added to the OP. This is written with a lot of clarity.
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